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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #2072
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    His buy American hire American will work well :rolleyes:


  • #2073
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Enda Kenny's speech with Obama is one of the most cringe-worthy, unintentionally hilarious moments in Irish political history.


  • #2074
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    "Yes we did"....deport more people than any other president's administration in history.

    But I thought Obama was soft on illegal immigration?


  • #2075
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So you're not in favour of Trump's immigration stance then, I take it?

    No.

    I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama supporters who slate Trump for his policies (which are just that now - nothing has been enacted yet.) compared to the Angel Barack's actual actions.


  • #2076
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,848 ✭✭✭take everything


    Firefox11 wrote: »
    Yeah, something didn't seem quite right with 'first family' picture there. Can't quite put my finger on it just yet.

    Basically for his age he seemed oblivious to the ceremony after finding something to entertain him (his playing with the child was quite endearing of course, but most kids would break off after a while and reengage with the ceremony). I say this, being a bit like this myself. You could see Ivanka being a bit uncomfortable about Barron not giving a fcuk.

    Maybe he's just a brat not impressed with the awesome events but I don't think so.
    Still think he's a cool little dude.


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  • #2077
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    No.

    I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama supporters who slate Trump for his policies (which are just that now - nothing has been enacted yet.) compared to the Angel Barack's actual actions.
    Who did Obama deport for the sole reason of being Muslim? :confused:


  • #2078
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    No.

    I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama supporters who slate Trump for his policies (which are just that now - nothing has been enacted yet.) compared to the Angel Barack's actual actions.
    Or maybe God forbid people are judging Trump's policies on their own merits rather than resorting to the "but look what your guy did" tactic of a 9 year old


  • #2079
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Euro news showing the "rioting" now live nothing mad few scrote bags throwing stuff at the police and running like fcuk when the police move towards them


  • #2080
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Who did Obama deport for the sole reason of being Muslim? :confused:

    Who has Trump deported for being a Muslim? And when did he say he would?

    Oh you mean the instance where he said he would insist on Muslims undergoing background security checks before they came into America?

    Well given that the German security services have said recently that they have no idea how many Jihadi's came into the country amongst the refugees, or who they are, maybe his policy is the correct one.


  • #2081
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Cartouche wrote: »
    The guy has appointed 6 or 7 ex Goldman Sachs guys into his cabinet
    How exactly is that "draining the swamp" ?
    The working poor who voted him in will be disappointed I think

    It's telling that none of Trump's fanboys have tried debating this post.


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  • #2082
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Euro news showing the "rioting" now live nothing mad few scrote bags throwing stuff at the police and running like fcuk when the police move towards them

    Yes, that's exactly what a riot is.


  • #2083
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,290 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Wouldn't be surprised if some of those protesters were agent provocateurs


  • #2084
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Ah okay, so now that the "everyone against Trump loves Hilary" line has been shown up for the nonsense it is, we've moved on to "everyone who hates Trump loves Obama".

    Endless deflection.

    What if some of us have problems with the lot of them?

    The 2016 Presidential election threw up two of the worst candidates ever to run for the Oval Office in Modern times.

    Whoever won, we would lose.

    I would not have voted for either.


  • #2085
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Who has Trump deported for being a Muslim? And when did he say he would?

    Oh you mean the instance where he said he would insist on Muslims undergoing background security checks before they came into America?
    Nope, the "complete and utter shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". That's not a "background security check". You can read more about it here, on the official website of Donald J. Trump - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration. He has tried flip flopping every which way to later say that would be Muslims from certain countries only (and still said bans, not background checks), yet that statement still remains on his official website.

    Now enlighten me... how do you figure out if someone is Muslim if they decide not to tell you?


  • #2086
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Yes, that's exactly what a riot is.

    Ah not at all not even half one the need some of our northern brothers to show them how it's done :/


  • #2087
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Wouldn't be surprised if some of those protesters were agent provocateurs

    Not a fruitful line of argument.

    It doesn't matter what they really believe. What they are is violent dickheads and they should be denounced on that basis and nothing more.

    "Your lads are worse than our lads" is grand for football teams but for politicians they should rise and fall by their policies and values and not by who supports them.

    Getting sucked into a debate about the justification of riots only plays into your opponents hands.


  • #2088
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    It's telling that none of Trump's fanboys have tried debating this post.

    They never do, the same old deflect deflect deflect and run away... and in a few years time try to blame Clinton/Obama/Santa Claus/whoever on it, or pretend "how were we to know?" when it's been pointed out to them countless times over this thread and the last.


  • #2089
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Ah not at all not even half one the need some of our northern brothers to show them how it's done :/

    Using violence against the police authorities is definitely a riot. Tear gas being fired as well.

    Never seen this at an inauguration before. Shows how divisive Trump is.


  • #2090
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    He promised to eradicate Islamic terrorism today. Let's see how that one goes.


  • #2091
    [Deleted User]
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    You'd swear America is a 3rd world country the way Trump was going on in the speech


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  • #2092
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    Hard to see the justification for flash bangs into that crowd.


  • #2093
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Cartouche wrote: »
    The guy has appointed 6 or 7 ex Goldman Sachs guys into his cabinet
    How exactly is that "draining the swamp" ?
    The working poor who voted him in will be disappointed I think

    It's telling that none of Trump's fanboys have tried debating this post.
    Not to mention his anti climate change / global warming denial - fine if he wants to incinerate America but if his henchmen in cabinet have their way on climate / environmental degradation it will be catastrophic not just for America but the rest of us as well


  • #2094
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Cartouche wrote: »
    The guy has appointed 6 or 7 ex Goldman Sachs guys into his cabinet
    How exactly is that "draining the swamp" ?
    The working poor who voted him in will be disappointed I think

    They will be. They have been sold a pup. Trump is a snake oil salesman. Bit like Nigel Farage.

    Only way I can see him getting away with the above is if his "New Deal" on Infrastructure construction actually comes to fruition.

    That's a long shot I think.


  • #2095
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    arayess wrote: »
    26000 in the 2016 ....what a guy obama was....

    many liberals (and liberal media) allow obama huge leeway whereas a president like bush got none (rightly so bush/blair got lashed for their war mongering ways)
    But obama , he's cool..why?
    Is it cos he is black and there is some perverse racism afoot?

    I think so.

    Didn't he inherit a war on muslims from the previous president? It would have been great if he could have just called a truce and withdrawn all troops but it just wasn't realistic. They were too invested and had raised too much resistance. Then, of course, there was the rise of ISIS to contend with. I can't imagine there are many who thing they needed a softer hand.


  • #2096
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    He promised to eradicate Islamic terrorism today. Let's see how that one goes.

    I'd say recruiters of Islamic terrorists haven't been happier in a long, long time about that comment. Bodes very well for them moving forward, unfortunately.


  • #2097
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Gbear wrote: »
    One of the annoying thing about tribalism is that leaders are poorer for it. They're not held to account by their own supporters.

    It's considered "giving succour to the enemy" and people are too afraid that the enemy will win, so the pragmatism of having two competing cults of personality takes over.

    It's the politics of being against your enemy rather than being for any of your own beliefs.

    It's one of the hallmarks of totalitarianism. The idea is that everything bad is the fault of particular groups of people. So you need to get rid of them. The problem is that even if you get rid of them it won't fix the original problem. So you start targeting others. You start targeting people in your country/organisation because they're the insiders that are sabotaging you. It's not that your idea was bad it's that the only reason it failed was because of the sneakiness of the enemy.

    The problem is that eventually you run out of enemies to target. The country would be perfect if only it weren't for all the people inside the country who want it to fail. So nazi's had socialists and jews. Venezuela had capitalists. Trumpism has socialists and muslims.

    Note that I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler. I'm not saying there's going to be extermination camps or anything like that. I'm stating that populist movements such as Trumps always draw part of their support by blaming a particular group of people for the faults of the country.


  • #2098
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Wouldn't be surprised if some of those protesters were agent provocateurs

    Unlikely. There's enough idiots on the far left of the spectrum. They're live tweeting about smashing up property to show capitalists were their loyalties lie because apparently all property is theft.


  • #2099
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Using violence against the police authorities is definitely a riot. Tear gas being fired as well.

    Never seen this at an inauguration before. Shows how divisive Trump is.

    Kicking of a bit now in fairness police getting a bit fed up taking sh1t I think bit of this about to come


  • #2100
    Woodville56
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    namloc1980 wrote: »
    He promised to eradicate Islamic terrorism today. Let's see how that one goes.

    I'd say recruiters of Islamic terrorists haven't been happier in a long, long time about that comment. Bodes very well for them moving forward, unfortunately.
    Add to that the Russians - bet they're toasting their new best friend in the Kremlin tonight - his isolationist America first doesn't bode well for the Baltics, Ukraine, NATO alliance etc


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  • #2101
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Nope, the "complete and utter shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". That's not a "background security check". You can read more about it here, on the official website of Donald J. Trump - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration. He has tried flip flopping every which way to later say that would be Muslims from certain countries only (and still said bans, not background checks), yet that statement still remains on his official website.

    Now enlighten me... how do you figure out if someone is Muslim if they decide not to tell you?

    You can't without a hell of a lot of difficulty. It would be a logistical nightmare to work it out. So he'll insist on blanket bans of travel from certain countries into the US......

    Except, some of those countries will have significant resources invested in the US economy, making that difficult to actually work.


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