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20-01-2017 10:52AM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Don't give me "everyone" based on people attacking the whitehead on the pimple rather than the pimple. The stuff he says is absolute bollockology and it is most annoying to see his followers lap it up, but there's been a lot of focus on his policies or lack thereof, at least when we can manage it between people dragging up "BUT KILLARY LOL AMIRITE".

https://www.politiplatform.com/clinton

I'm heading out to work in literally...right now, actually, so the link will have to do. You can have ISSUES with the policies, but **** me, at least it's not just "It'll be great, it'll be so great, we will win on healthcare (what?), we will win on jobs (no, what?) we will win so much you'll be tired of winning, believe me".

You linked to an official list of her policies.. But they aren't known, nor are they groundbreaking, nor are they what struggling America wants or needs. They didn't hear about them. All they heard was her sucking up to Obama.

If someone in the rustbelt even knows Trump said what I've highlighted, that's far more than what they knew about Hillary.

Jesus, I was really into the election and one of the only concrete things I learned about her position on something was about Pepe the Frog.. From her official fưcking website no less. And that was made-up BS.

So yeah, the Donald promises jobs and a return of wealth. He promises to cut the TPP. He promises to "Drain the Swamp". He promises to punish companies that outsource. Build a wall! Get illegal immigrants out of here! MAGA MAGA MAGA!.

Every damn day, we heard this.. He was on stage making a tit of himself but at the same time, he was roaring it at the people.
Everyone in this thread knows the things he promised yet they call him stupid.. It's insane. We're not even American and before the election, we knew he was promising jobs to this region called the rust belt that we had never heard of.

Same with Sanders.. Every day during the Primary. Health! Education! Welfare! An end to Pay-to-Play! Down with the corruption!

Hillary.. Deplorables! Obama is great! Obamacare is amazing! I'm a woman! Trump is evil! Stop Trump! and in comparison to Obama's campaign, "No we can't!".

The four million extra voters she picked up in well-off California might be content enough to sit back and think of social issues but two million more voters in the rest of the country heard his message loud and clear. Whether it's true or not, that's another matter. You can't blame people for believing the only goddamn thing they were actually hearing.

conorhal · 20-01-2017 10:56AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its funny how all the people who claim that Trump should be just given a chance were so set against Hillary. Why not give her a chance? IF past does not indicate the likely future on what basis do you judge anybody or anything?

On that basis, giving everybody a blank canvas, how do you decide who or what to vote for?

Give Hillary a chance? She lost, if she had won, she'd have to be given a chance. The reception of Trump has been no different to that which faced Regan in 1980.
Trump won, it's time to let him get on with the job, by all means criticise him and hold his policies (if he has any) to account, but this childish temper tantrum by Hillary supporters over his inauguration is just yet another example of the emotional incontinence and narcissism of the left.

Little CuChulainn · 20-01-2017 11:00AM

conorhal wrote: »

Give Hillary a chance? She lost, if she had won, she'd have to be given a chance. The reception of Trump has been no different to that which faced Regan in 1980.
Trump won, it's time to let him get on with the job, by all means criticise him and hold his policies (if he has any) to account, but this childish temper tantrum by Hillary supporters over his inauguration is just yet another example of the emotional incontinence and narcissism of the left.

Being against Trump does not make you a Hillary supporter or even left leaning.

Leroy42 · 20-01-2017 11:05AM

We did know HC policies, they were the same as Obama's. In a way that is one of the reasons she lost, people wanted change (although not a majority it would seem so this call that US wants change is not completely true).

We know what Trump said, but not his policies. Drain the Swamp. What does that even mean. First, you need to have an understanding of what it is he considers to be the swamp. He never eleborated. So every voter has their own idea of that this means. Is it the senate, the background civil service, democracy? And what does drain mean? Is it to get rid of evryone that works there? Or just those that are corrupt? Or those that have been there 10+ years?

None of it is clear.

Build a wall. How high, what to do with private land, what about tunnels. Or does he mean simply better border control? Its not clear. But it sounds good.

Lock her up. What, in her apartment? in jail, based on what? Again, its a nice slogan.

Even his main slogan, Make America Great Again? When did he consider the last time America was great? During Vietnam, The Korean War. Maybe when they were under British rule? Most seem to consider it the 1950's, but ask black people and they won't agree what America was so great back then. Or LGBT, or abortion advocates? What about going back to slavery? Again, he hasn't given any details so people are free to make up their own version of this.

And if you leave such openness to what you can be held to, you run the risk of no matter what you do not satisfying peoples expectations.

And that is the problem he will have to content with now. He has done an amazing job to get elected, and today he has every right to bask in the achievement. I think it is nothing but sour grapes for people to not applaud him today. however, the real work begins today (well Monday it seems) and that is when the reality of the game will sink in and I have seen nothing to allay my fears that he is either willing or able to deal with that reality

tonycascarino · 20-01-2017 11:08AM

ricero wrote: »

I love these salty liberal tears. People writing the donald off before he has even set foot in the white house. Today is the day politics changes forever and the old establishment and political mafia families crumble because of one man and his journey to make america great again. I just hope the liberal nazis dont ruin his day today and america can celebrate in peace.

Absolutely. They couldn't foresee him being elected as president yet that same hopeless group already 'foresee' how he is going to fair out as president. He will prove them all wrong there too. Those useless liberals can suck it up.

Leroy42 · 20-01-2017 11:22AM

USA land of the free, home of the brave, hates liberals! (you know the type of people who believe in freedom of choice and breaking from tradition!)

conorhal · 20-01-2017 11:23AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Being against Trump does not make you a Hillary supporter or even left leaning.

No , but if you're one of the gobsh1tes riotion on the streets and wailing about hitler last night, then there is a pretty good chance that you probably are.

Jelle1880 · 20-01-2017 11:24AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

USA land of the free, home of the brave, hates liberals! (you know the type of people who believe in freedom of choice and breaking from tradition!)

They probably don't even know the difference between an American liberal or a European liberal. Just repeating the same **** they read on Breitbart.

Billy86 · 20-01-2017 11:29AM

Today is the day most Trump fans will look back on and try to wipe from their memories when years down the line they are trying to pretend to themselves and/or others that they never supported the disaster that he will become and the fraud he is.

Professor Moriarty · 20-01-2017 11:32AM

Not a good day to be a gay, poor Mexican.

gandalf · 20-01-2017 11:33AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Being against Trump does not make you a Hillary supporter or even left leaning.

Absolutely but if you criticise the "Orange Messiah" the typical defence is Hillary this and HC that and they don't address the actual concerns. Hillary Clinton is a spent force now, she is history so they really should stop using her as a crutch for justifying their decision to vote for a man that is quite obviously going to change things big time in America but on first looks I doubt it will be to the benefit of the common man but more to line the pockets even more of the 1% and increase the inequality.

As has been said before it will be a real interesting four years and I would enjoy sitting back and watching it if there weren't actual consequences for us here in Ireland from the bad decisions that are going to be enacted in America. Trump is the petty type of character who could even collectively punish Ireland because he didn't get his wall paid for in Doonbeg.

gandalf · 20-01-2017 11:34AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Not a good day to be a gay, poor Mexican.

Or in reality an American. A great day if you are one of the rich in America, here is a man who will make you richer and increase the divide between the haves and have nots.

brevity · 20-01-2017 11:37AM

Not sure if this was posted:

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/822165266041815040

If true, the country is in for a dark few years.

Hande hoche! · 20-01-2017 11:37AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

For all those who want Trump to fail/impeached/leave office.....

think sensibly about that:

President Mike Pence

It would be shocking. Although he looks very presidential.

conorhal · 20-01-2017 11:40AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Today is the day most Trump fans will look back on and try to wipe from their memories when years down the line they are trying to pretend to themselves and/or others that they never supported the disaster that he will become and the fraud he is.

That presupposes many have any expectation that he will succeed. I suspect quite a number of people voted for him simply to take a wrecking ball to the political establishment.

tonycascarino · 20-01-2017 11:44AM

Anyone I know who is against Trump do not even know why they are against him... aside from the fact that they are being told that they should be by the fabulous media.

Jelle1880 · 20-01-2017 11:45AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Anyone I know who is against Trump do not even know why they are against him... aside from the fact that they are being told so by the media.

As opposed to spouting slogans on a message board, which clearly show a deep understanding of the issues.

RasTa · 20-01-2017 11:48AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Good to see the Hells Angels doing security on his big day

Seriously doubt that

Jelle1880 · 20-01-2017 11:49AM

RasTa wrote: »

Seriously doubt that

Trump tweeted about it.

Turns out it's fake news.
Shocking.

Professor Moriarty · 20-01-2017 11:49AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Anyone I know who is against Trump do not even know why they are against him... aside from the fact that they are being told that they should be by the fabulous media.

I read his tweets. I watch him on tv. I read his interviews. He is obnoxious and stupid. That is one reason why I am against Trump.

tonycascarino · 20-01-2017 11:50AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

As opposed to spouting slogans on a message board, which clearly show a deep understanding of the issues ?

I think some people fancy themselves as experts on everything and already know how it is all going to fair out without actually giving the man a chance. They couldn't foresee him being elected president so how can they actually have any realistic notion as to how he will do...

humanji · 20-01-2017 11:52AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

It would be shocking. Although he looks very presidential.

The thing is, Trump has a cult of personality around him. Without him preaching slogans from a pulpit there's no one to whip the people into a fervour. I'd imagine a lot of people would have no interest in following Pence as he's got no presence.

And with no one to distract from the politics, people will take more of an interest in what is going on behind the scenes and won't be so blindly for or against the president.

gandalf · 20-01-2017 11:53AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Anyone I know who is against Trump do not even know why they are against him... aside from the fact that they are being told that they should be by the fabulous media.

He ignores expert advice, he is an extreme narcissist. The questions about the Russian connections alone should cast serious question marks over his suitability and credibility to hold one of the most powerful offices in the world. His attitude to woman, the sexual assault allegations, his inability to grasp diplomacy and the fact in the past he has demonstrated clear racial prudence. The fact his organisation has been bankrupt on six occasions. The fact that he has stiffed thousands of small business owners for monies owed for work they carried out.

The proof that he is totally unprepared to be president filling only a fraction of the roles in his executive staff who are taking over today and those who have been nominated for positions are just from a richer swamp that the people who preceded them

They haven't drained the swamp they have just gold plated it

dark crystal · 20-01-2017 11:55AM

conorhal wrote: »

Trump won, it's time to let him get on with the job, by all means criticise him and hold his policies (if he has any) to account, but this childish temper tantrum by Hillary supporters over his inauguration is just yet another example of the emotional incontinence and narcissism of the left.

Ah here, accusing the left of temper tantrums and narcissism?

Take a good look at the man who's about to become president and then talk to me about Temper tantrums and narcissism!

Jesus, it's not "emotional incontinence" to have genuine worries and concerns about a man who denies global warming, wants to shut down planned parenthood and loosen gun laws. Dismissing people's fears as emotional incontinence is just as extreme as anything you accuse the so called left of.

The guy has no political experience whatsoever. He's a snake oil salesman who'll tell the poor and uneducated (he loves the uneducated) what they want to hear about draining the swamp and getting them jobs, then he goes and appoints his son-in-law as his personal advisor and goes and assembles himself the wealthiest cabinet in modern American history. Nepotism and cronyism at it's finest.

He may want to curtail the freedom of the press, but wouldn't it be nice if he valued the first amendment as much as he valued the second? Those protesters have as much right to have their voices heard as he has to have his little meltdowns on Twitter about how everyone's out to get him, or how Arnie's ratings suck, or how Meryl Streep is overrated.

Emotional incontinence indeed.

dudara · 20-01-2017 12:00PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

I think some people fancy themselves as experts on everything and already know how it is all going to fair out without actually giving the man a chance. They couldn't foresee him being elected president so how can they actually have any realistic notion as to how he will do...

How many years of Trump being in the press and in business do we have to go on? At least 40-50 years of exposure to the man. His track record to date is there clearly for all to see. And based on that, we can extrapolate how he is going to behave.

Trent Houseboat · 20-01-2017 12:03PM

tonycascarino wrote:

Anyone I know who is against Trump do not even know why they are against him... aside from the fact that they are being told that they should be by the fabulous media.

Yeah it's not like he's a liar and a fraud who petulantly throws a tantrum anytime someone disagrees with him.
It's not as though he's derided the press for daring to report honestly on him.
It not as though he's suspiciously afraid of Russia.
It's not as though he's afraid to reveal his tax returns.
It's not as though he's stocked his cabinet with billionaires, CEOs, nuts and idiots who at best have no idea what they're doing.
It's not as though he's promised a better cheaper alternative to the ACA yet not revealing what that might be even as the ACA itself is pulled apart due to leave 20 million without insurance.

It's "the media". How many nights did you stay up cracking that conspiracy? I see a wall in your house with photographs interconnected with red string, dozens of half drunk cups of coffee and a badgering neglected spouse pleading you to come to bed. Because just blaming the media for people seeing with their own two eyes what a joke of human Donald Trump is, isn't just lazy scapegoating, it's the deduction of a woke genius

20-01-2017 12:04PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Not a good day to be a gay, poor Mexican.

If you backed that up with something worthwhile, it'd be great.

20-01-2017 12:06PM

gandalf wrote: »

The proof that he is totally unprepared to be president filling only a fraction of the roles in his executive staff who are taking over today and those who have been nominated for positions are just from a richer swamp that the people who preceded them They haven't drained the swamp they have just gold plated it

I'd love to know how that normally works.. I'd be very surprised if Obama sat down and handpicked 690 people between the election and inauguration. Why isn't that a Republican sort of thing that's ready to go.

Jelle1880 · 20-01-2017 12:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you backed that up with something worthwhile, it'd be great.

He's thinking of nominating this guy for the Supreme Court:

William H Pryor Jr has previously compared consensual gay sex with “polygamy, incest, pedophilia, prostitution and adultery”

humanji · 20-01-2017 12:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd love to know how that normally works.. I'd be very surprised if Obama sat down and handpicked 690 people between the election and inauguration. Why isn't that a Republican sort of thing that's ready to go.

Isn't the problem that Trump didn't realise he had to pick his own staff? He thought the current ones would stay in their positions. Usually a candidate would have all or at least the majority of their candidates picked before the election even occurs.

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