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Recruitment for British army soars in Republic of Ireland

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  • #1112
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Eh, I think about/visualise Churchill?

    'Balding (check) Fierce (check) Guzzling (check) Gulping (check) Puffy petulant face (check) speeding young men up the line to death(check) died in bed (check)

    Yeah, but at the time Sassoon wrote the poem he (Churchill) was serving as a line infantry officer.

    But feel free to carry on your "visualisations" - whatever gets you off :D


  • #1113
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Yeah, but at the time Sassoon wrote the poem he was serving as a line infantry officer.

    But feel free to carry on your "visualisations" - whatever gets you off :D

    If I said it was 'about' him maybe you w........oh why bother. :rolleyes:


  • #1114
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Yeah, but at the time Sassoon wrote the poem he was serving as a line infantry officer.

    But feel free to carry on your "visualisations" - whatever gets you off :D

    Ah you have to give it to FB, He has a grand imagination:D


  • #1115
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ah you have to give it to FB, He has a grand imagination:D

    Certainly overactive ;)


  • #1116
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Churchill wanted Ireland in the war. Desperately enough to offer unity, twice.
    Dev, not trusting him resisted.
    Churchill had a broadside at 'Devil Era' (his pronunciation, the cheap bollix) in his victory speech and Dev replied:
    "Mr Churchill makes it clear that, in certain circumstances, he would have violated our neutrality and that he would justify his action by Britain’s necessity,” de Valera said calmly.

    “It seems strange to me that Mr Churchill does not see that this, if accepted, would mean that Britain’s necessity would become a moral code and that, when this necessity was sufficiently great, other people’s rights were not to count.

    “If is quite true that other great powers believe in this same code — in their own regard — and have behaved in accordance with it. That is precisely why we have the disastrous successions of wars — World War Number One and World War Number Two — and shall there be World War Number Three?"

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/when-eamon-de-valera-emerged-the-winner-in-the-battle-of-the-airwaves-330428.html

    Generally regarded as a classic slap down of an arrogant bully. In circles that can think for themselves anyhow.

    Ah, in all fairness now whatever about their differences, the Brits did give Dev a really cool codename during WW2........WOLF.

    The CoS (General McKenna, I think) was HOUND.


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  • #1117
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ah you have to give it to FB, He has a grand imagination:D

    At least you understood what I was actually saying I was doing.


  • #1118
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Hammar wrote: »
    Don't worry, I noticed your sneering little wink smiley alright, as i said, no Irishman worth his salt would have a condescending attitude towards his defence forces,like you have displayed with that post. It really does show your measure as a man ;)

    I take it you're not intentionally being dim?

    My post 1100 says this > British army or Irish army?

    Watch this video and you'll know which army to choose... ;)
    =====================================
    In other words the wink/joke is on the very amatureish RTE 'drama', which is obviously laughable.
    Like how could you choose which army to choose based on that video, hence the wink ;)

    I presume you're a man, maybe you're a lady?


  • #1119
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Churchill wanted Ireland in the war. Desperately enough to offer unity, twice.
    Dev, not trusting him resisted.
    Churchill had a broadside at 'Devil Era' (his pronunciation, the cheap bollix) in his victory speech and Dev replied:
    "Mr Churchill makes it clear that, in certain circumstances, he would have violated our neutrality and that he would justify his action by Britain’s necessity,” de Valera said calmly.

    “It seems strange to me that Mr Churchill does not see that this, if accepted, would mean that Britain’s necessity would become a moral code and that, when this necessity was sufficiently great, other people’s rights were not to count.

    “If is quite true that other great powers believe in this same code — in their own regard — and have behaved in accordance with it. That is precisely why we have the disastrous successions of wars — World War Number One and World War Number Two — and shall there be World War Number Three?"

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/when-eamon-de-valera-emerged-the-winner-in-the-battle-of-the-airwaves-330428.html

    Generally regarded as a classic slap down of an arrogant bully. In circles that can think for themselves anyhow.

    Is that why De Valera let the RAF use Irish airspace and sent on weather reports?

    It was largely showmanship from a fairly crap, ineffective leader who, let's face it, didn't even have the balls to meet him face to face until a few years before his death.

    Churchill's disdain for Dev preceded WWII by some years.

    The only thing Eamonn De Valera cared about was himself and feathering his own nest. The man who created the model by which all Fine Fail leaders would adhere.


  • #1120
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Imagine having a row with the headcase a few doors up and your next-door neighbour won't back you up


  • #1121
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Is that why De Valera let the RAF use Irish airspace and sent on weather reports?

    It was largely showmanship from a fairly crap, ineffective leader who, let's face it, didn't even have the balls to meet him face to face until a few years before his death.

    Churchill's disdain for Dev preceded WWII by some years.

    The only thing Eamonn De Valera cared about was himself and feathering his own nest. The man who created the model by which all Fine Fail leaders would adhere.

    Speaking of 'models' for future leaders, Dev was right about Britain, taking onto themselves the right to invade because of Britain's nessecity.
    Personally I am proud of how Dev kept us out of the war and saved a fledging nation.
    Your distaste for all things Irish comes shining right through your inability to see that. You only want to walk in one man's shoes, Saville row shoes. :)


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  • #1122
    Hammar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Hammar


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I take it you're not intentionally being dim?

    My post 1100 says this > British army or Irish army?

    Watch this video and you'll know which army to choose... ;)
    =====================================
    In other words the wink/joke is on the very amatureish RTE 'drama', which is obviously laughable.
    Like how could you choose which army to choose based on that video, hence the wink ;)

    I presume you're a man, maybe you're a lady?


    Who are you trying to kid here son? Your post with the added wink was to belittle the Irish defence forces and promote the British Army as being supermen,
    Your anglophile postings are clear for all to see and that's your business, but you just couldn't help yourself with your condescending and pathetic dig at the Defence Forces. I wonder is such self-hate of ones culture and society a distinctly Irish feature..


  • #1123
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Hammar wrote: »
    Who are you trying to kid here son? Your post with the added wink was to belittle the Irish defence forces and promote the British Army as being supermen,
    Your anglophile postings are clear for all to see and that's your business, but you just couldn't help yourself with your condescending and pathetic dig at the Defence Forces. I wonder is such self-hate of ones culture and society a distinctly Irish feature..

    Maybe his Irishness does not fit your own


  • #1124
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Personally I am proud of how Dev kept us out of the war and saved a fledging nation.

    If every nation was cowardly enough to attempt to stay out of the war, Hitler would have had a field day. As it was, he invaded some neutral countries and deported some of their citizens to extermination camps etc.

    It was Britain (who stood alone against the Nazis in 1940 ) and her allies who saved this nation, old chap. You really are a slow learner if you do not understand that by now.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Your distaste for all things Irish comes shining right through your inability to see that.
    It is possible to be a proud Irishman or Irishwoman, and yet not be a Republican. It is possible to understand history and politics correctly, to see all sides of the argument, and yet not have a hatred from all things British, as you have.


  • #1125
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Maybe his Irishness does not fit your own

    He is one of a small cohort on here who see their role as defenders of the British, they will water down (or attempt to, pathetically in most cases) any negative influence or effect Britain has had here or in the world in general.
    LordSutch's post is just one in a long line.
    He probably is Irish and would be seen as such in Britain.'Culturally homeless' would be how I see the type. A relative of mine died in southern England in the same bracket, ineffably sad it was.


  • #1126
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A relative of mine died in southern England in the same bracket, ineffably sad it was.
    You mean he was sad because he had you a relative? Some of the happiest people I know live in southern England. It makes no difference where you live...there are more Irish people living and dying outside Ireland than live and die in Ireland.


  • #1127
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He is one of a small cohort on here who see their role as defenders of the British, they will water down (or attempt to, pathetically in most cases) any negative influence or effect Britain has had here or in the world in general.
    LordSutch's post is just one in a long line.
    He probably is Irish and would be seen as such in Britain.'Culturally homeless' would be how I see the type. A relative of mine died in southern England in the same bracket, ineffably sad it was.

    Funny watching our resident Katie Hopkins jump up and down in front of your face waving her arms and dying for your attention. Like a bad ex girlfriend, the more you ignore her the more desperate shes becoming


  • #1128
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Funny watching our resident Katie Hopkins jump up and down in front of your face waving her arms and dying for your attention. Like a bad ex girlfriend, the more you ignore her the more desperate shes becoming



  • #1129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    If every nation was cowardly enough to attempt to stay out of the war, Hitler would have had a field day. As it was, he invaded some neutral countries and deported some of their citizens to extermination camps etc.

    So you are against colonisation then despite your earlier sitting on the fence observations on the topic, which no doubt arose because the British were linked with the practice earlier.


  • #1130
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Hammar wrote: »
    LordSutch wrote: »
    I take it you're not intentionally being dim?

    My post 1100 says this > British army or Irish army?

    Watch this video and you'll know which army to choose... ;)
    =====================================
    In other words the wink/joke is on the very amatureish RTE 'drama', which is obviously laughable.
    Like how could you choose which army to choose based on that video, hence the wink ;)

    I presume you're a man, maybe you're a lady?


    Who are you trying to kid here son? Your post with the added wink was to belittle the Irish defence forces and promote the British Army as being supermen,
    Your anglophile postings are clear for all to see and that's your business, but you just couldn't help yourself with your condescending and pathetic dig at the Defence Forces. I wonder is such self-hate of ones culture and society a distinctly Irish feature..

    I'll just refer you back to post 1118 again, and if you still have trouble understanding it then maybe you should go to spacsavers?

    Goodnight.


  • #1131
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So you are against colonisation then ...

    It happened hundreds of years ago and to understand history you do not have to be "for" it or "against" it. You could argue China is colonising parts of Africa now, by building infrastructure there etc. If you want to discuss colonisation you best set up a new thread on it.


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  • #1132
    getzls
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    smurgen wrote: »
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You trust Allenbrooke for a proper assessment of the man, that's fine, go right ahead.

    I'm sorry, but I am disposed to mistrust the opinion of somebody wrapped in an establishment (and given a title) that created the myth of 'Churchill the Hero' in the first place, which largely ignored the man's career record.
    It's the same establishment that circled the wagons to produce the myth of what happened on, for instance, Bloody Sunday. Appoint a Lord of the Realm safe in the knowledge he will protect the interests of the realm. It's largely how it works.
    There is a vested interest to keeping 'Churchill's War' and the myth of the man, on a pedestal. Nice to see you, Mary and Fred playing your part in keeping it alive. Who'd have thought.


    Churchill was a fat,alcoholic .
    What was it Churchill said.
    I've taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.
    Likely true.


  • #1133
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    getzls wrote: »
    What was it Churchill said.
    I've taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.
    Likely true.

    Or the fairly typical bravado of a functional alcoholic?
    You will find it did the same damage as it does to every other addicted mortal.


  • #1134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    It happened hundreds of years ago and to understand history you do not have to be "for" it or "against" it. You could argue China is colonising parts of Africa now, by building infrastructure there etc. If you want to discuss colonisation you best set up a new thread on it.

    But the Nazis were extreme practitioners of the art and it seems you oppose the Nazis, so its safe to say you are against their attempts at colonising Eastern Europe yes?


  • #1135
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But the Nazis were extreme practitioners of the art and it seems you oppose the Nazis, so its safe to say you are against their attempts at colonising Eastern Europe yes?

    Actually, if you google "german colonisation", you will see, German colonisation took place during two distinct periods. In the 1680s, and the 1880's, in Africa etc. Not the Nazi era.

    Most right thinking people were against the Nazis for more than one reason...of course shinners thought they were grand lads altogether and sent Sean Russell to collaborate. Set up a new thread on the subject if you so wish.


  • #1136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    Actually, if you google "german colonisation", you will see, German colonisation took place during two distinct periods. In the 1680s, and the 1880's, in Africa etc. Not the Nazi era.

    The occupation of Eastern Europe, its economic exploitation and further plans to settle Germans there at some stage cannot be viewed as colonisation?


  • #1137
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    maryishere wrote: »
    It happened hundreds of years ago and to understand history you do not have to be "for" it or "against" it. You could argue China is colonising parts of Africa now, by building infrastructure there etc. If you want to discuss colonisation you best set up a new thread on it.

    China is buidling infrastructure.not talking the place by force.a stable africa never suited the british of course.you see when people are too busy trying to find enough food to eat or fighting one another they dont notice their assets being plundered like the bristish did to.the old divide and conque is one of britains most poisonous export to humanity.


  • #1138
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    maryishere wrote: »
    Actually, if you google "german colonisation", you will see, German colonisation took place during two distinct periods. In the 1680s, and the 1880's, in Africa etc. Not the Nazi era.

    Most right thinking people were against the Nazis for more than one reason...of course shinners thought they were grand lads altogether and sent Sean Russell to collaborate. Set up a new thread on the subject if you so wish.

    Many Royals thought the Nazi's were fine folk also.musta have been the shared german bloodline


  • #1139
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Hammar wrote: »
    Who are you trying to kid here son?

    Himself I suspect.


  • #1140
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    smurgen wrote: »
    China is buidling infrastructure.

    The British built infrastructure too, but China is taking far more raw materials out of Africa than the Europeans (and there were 5 main European countries who carved up Africa / were in the scramble for Africa many generations ago). Anyway do keep on topic, this thread is about B.Army recruitment from Ireland etc.


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  • #1141
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,082 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    smurgen wrote: »
    Many Royals thought the Nazi's were fine folk also.musta have been the shared german bloodline

    It beggars belief that given the history of this country, that it's defenders here in Ireland would deem it fit to lecture anybody on morals or proper behaviour.

    This was the country that had in it's Manual Of Military War, the charming humanitarian get out clause that prohibited them from using chemical warfare on anybody but uncivilized States and tribes.

    This was the country that had presided and engineered the deaths of millions upon million of Bengalis in famines since the 1700's and which intimately involved the callousness of the 'great' Churchill himself.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html

    A line in the above which should chill every decent Irish man and woman:
    The scarcity, Mukherjee writes, was caused by large-scale exports of food from India for use in the war theatres and consumption in Britain - India exported more than 70,000 tonnes of rice between January and July 1943, even as the famine set in. This would have kept nearly 400,000 people alive for a full year.

    Of course as is done with our own famine the defenders of Churchill will quote parliamentary records in his defence, where all the right things are said, but as we know to our own huge cost the realities on the ground was tragically different.
    Churchills recorded comments e.g. that it was more important to save Greeks and liberated people than indians or They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." The famine was their own fault, for "breeding like rabbits, are swept away and explained as unguarded moments etc etc.

    It is interesting that back when the Nobel Prize still had some integrity or import, that he was not awarded the Peace Prize (neither was Gandhi, but at least the committee cite that omission as it's biggest regret) but the Nobel Prize for Literature for his biography:

    "for his mastery of historical and biographical description as well as for brilliant oratory in defending exalted human values".

    Perhaps it should have been the Nobel Prize for Fiction.


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