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Should Ireland rename places named after British people?

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  • #92
    Fratton Fred
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    Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »
    Oh I don't know... Nelson Mandela House has a nice ring to it. :)

    lovely jubbly ;)


  • #93
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    No, keep them with their British names.
    Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »
    FOR THE THIRD TIME HE ALREADY HAS A F**KING ROAD!!! IT EVEN HAS A MAIN FORD DEALER ON IT!
    And for the first fooking time I suggested some of you brit lovers might want to name a square after him!

    Hey, why not just rename a stand in Croke park after him!


  • #94
    Pawwed Rig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    catbear wrote: »
    And for the first fooking time I suggested some of you brit lovers might want to name a square after him!

    We could rename Parnell Square after him. What did Parnell ever do for us anyway.


  • #95
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »
    I would have a big problem, however, with naming new streets / buildings after any foreign person.

    Why?


  • #96
    Not Propaganda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Not Propaganda


    No, keep them with their British names.
    I'll admit I was a bit trigger happy with voting before really considering the question. I don't think there should be wholesale changes but I definitely think we don't acknowledge our own prominent historical figures enough. We saw it last year in the centenary that people still have a weird attitude to our own history in many ways. I'd like, going forward, that there is an proactive policy from successive governments that important historical and cultural figures are prioritised in terms of naming new streets, bridges, buildings etc. And a general review of current street names to see if they're appropriate, and canvassing local people to see if they are happy with the names or if there's any appetite for change.

    I'd also like to point out that suggesting changing a name of a street isn't the same as erasing history. We can remember that they committed genocide on this island without having a road named after Cromwell.


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  • #97
    [Deleted User]
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    No, keep them with their British names.
    Not Propaganda wrote: »
    I'll admit I was a bit trigger happy with voting before really considering the question. I don't think there should be wholesale changes but I definitely think we don't acknowledge our own prominent historical figures enough. We saw it last year in the centenary that people still have a weird attitude to our own history in many ways. I'd like, going forward, that there is an proactive policy from successive governments that important historical and cultural figures are prioritised in terms of naming new streets, bridges, buildings etc. And a general review of current street names to see if they're appropriate, and canvassing local people to see if they are happy with the names or if there's any appetite for change.

    I'd also like to point out that suggesting changing a name of a street isn't the same as erasing history. We can remember that they committed genocide on this island without having a road named after Cromwell.
    +1

    I'm also not sure changing the names would be erasing history, hands up who knew who Moore, Henry, Gardiner, Mountjoy (not even the famous Mountjoy), Marlborough (I knew this one at least) even referred to? Changing these names* wouldn't be erasing a history that no one even knows about as it is, besides some local historians. You could easily change a name and put up a plaque saying who built the street in the first place.

    *Although I'd be against it renaming the above because they are part of the local character, just using them as examples


  • #98
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    enda1 wrote: »
    A nice park though, named after meself and himself. ;)

    I think his brother has a park named after him in Crumlin


  • #99
    Fratton Fred
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    +1

    I'm also not sure changing the names would be erasing history, hands up who knew who Moore, Henry, Gardiner, Mountjoy (not even the famous Mountjoy), Marlborough (I knew this one at least) even referred to? Changing these names* wouldn't be erasing a history that no one even knows about as it is, besides some local historians. You could easily change a name and put up a plaque saying who built the street in the first place.

    *Although I'd be against it renaming the above because they are part of the local character, just using them as examples

    that's the point though, they reflect the character and history of the area. Just because these guys weren't direct descendants of Brian Boru doesn't mean they shouldn't have streets named after them.


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
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    No, keep them with their British names.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    that's the point though, they reflect the character and history of the area.
    The history from a few hundred years ago though.
    Just because these guys weren't direct descendants of Brian Boru doesn't mean they shouldn't have streets named after them.
    Sure,not for xenophobia or whatever, rather because they are sort of irrelevant nowadays, outside of a footnote somewhere in a "History of Dublin Street Names" book

    What about say, renaming Hume Street, to Hume Street? It'S a nice easy one to start with:D


  • #101
    LordSutch
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    dfeo wrote: »
    There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general....
    dfeo wrote: »
    You can have English names without names of people who butchered Ireland and suppressed the people. You won't see a Pol Pot street in SE Asia.

    Oh my God, you've got it bad.


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  • #102
    dd972
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    Bit pointless OP, even most UK folk wouldn't be aware of who they're named after, it'd be a big waste of time and money.


  • #103
    Herb Powell
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    I'd vote for the construction of the Kevin Shields Boulevard. Are we allowed to have those here?


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
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    No, keep them with their British names.
    Herb Powell wrote: »
    I'd vote for the construction of the Kevin Shields Boulevard. Are we allowed to have those here?

    Only if it's spelt Bualadh Mhaird


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
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    Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »
    FOR THE THIRD TIME HE ALREADY HAS A F**KING ROAD!!! IT EVEN HAS A MAIN FORD DEALER ON IT!

    I didn't vote in the poll, because I don't see what changing street names would achieve, tbh.

    But if ever a Street name needed changed, anything to do with Cromwell should be at the top of the list, imo.


  • #106
    Elemonator
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    Well it should be the Royal Canal. They built the feckin' thing.


  • #107
    Míshásta
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    Wellington was born and raised in Ireland. He served as councillor and MP in Ireland. His family had been in Ireland since the time of the Normans.

    Most famous quote - which he never made of course:

    "Just because a man is born in a stable does not make him a horse… "

    Here is an authentic quote which somehow never gets publicity:

    "I glory, my lords, in the name of Ireland, and it is the highest pleasure I can ambition to be thus united with the rest of my kindred in the grateful task of closing the wounds which seven centuries of misgovernment have inflicted on that unfortunate land."

    He was the Prime Minister who was responsible for getting the Catholic Emancipation Bill through parliament against strong opposition from his own Tory party.

    So are you going to disqualify him from his birth right just because of his Unionist politics?

    The Duke of Wellington was of course Irish.


  • #108
    RiderOnTheStorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    Pawwed Rig wrote:
    How about a good foreign person? Say Nelson Mandela or Yuri Gagarin?

    Pawwed Rig wrote:
    Like Barack Obama Plaza or JFK park?

    Well, yes. If BOP or JFKP wernt already in existence, then I would have a problem with the state naming any property after them. A private commercial enterprise can name itself anything it wants. But if the state or council names a new piece of property after a foreign dignitary then part of me is invested in it. The government represents me and I am part of its decisions.

    If we (yes, "we"...see above) name a street, say, Schindler Avenue (a great man, no doubt... I am not anti foreigner ), then it means that street was NOT named after one of the thousands of great Irish men and women .

    Renaming a street is a judgement. And thats subjective. Naming a new street after a non-Irish person is also a judgement. A judgement against all the people it wasn't named after.


  • #109
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    I wonder if the dirty Sinn Fenians will ever forgive and forget.
    I'd rather see justice for the victims of Sinn Fein child rapists than having Henry St renamed.


  • #110
    Míshásta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    Deleted User wrote: »
    .
    But if ever a Street name needed changed, anything to do with Cromwell should be at the top of the list, imo.

    If it wasn't for Cromwell, we'd never had a Wolfe Tone. His family came over from England in those times.

    And wasn't Cromwell the first Republican in these parts?

    Ah but still - I wouldn't suggest we name the new GAA pitch after him.:P


  • #111
    Pawwed Rig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »
    If we (yes, "we"...see above) name a street, say, Schindler Avenue (a great man, no doubt... I am not anti foreigner ), then it means that street was NOT named after one of the thousands of great Irish men and women .

    What if the foreigner did great things for Ireland?

    Or if he was Irish descent ie JFK, Che Guevara, Bernardo O'Higgins.

    There are not that many 'great' Irish people that would warrant a street being named after them.

    I could get on board with Shop Street in Galway changing its name to Michael D Boulevard though


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  • #112
    Fratton Fred
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    The history from a few hundred years ago though.

    Sure,not for xenophobia or whatever, rather because they are sort of irrelevant nowadays, outside of a footnote somewhere in a "History of Dublin Street Names" book
    Street names are a nice way of portraying history though. We all now know more about why Henry Street, Mary street etc are name as such.
    riffmongous wrote: »
    What about say, renaming Hume Street, to Hume Street? It'S a nice easy one to start with:D

    nice idea, I can see a government department set up, employing 50 consultants at €1000 per day, spending six months to carry that out:P


  • #113
    Fratton Fred
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    are there any twinning committees in Ireland that have had streets named after european towns?

    My old town was twinned with three and we had major streets named after all of them, Saint Cloud Way, Bad Godesberg Way and Frascati Way.


  • #114
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Heres an article about the naming of the streets of Nenagh, Co. Tipperary. I remember growing up there and being very confused as some streets/roads even have three names.

    https://nenaghsilentfilmfestival.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/why-nenagh-street-names/


  • #115
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I wouldn't like to 'disappear' on Adams Avenue!

    We could run black out van tours up and down the road.
    catbear wrote: »
    We should be naming the road outside the British embassy An Gorta Mor road.

    I don't know what that means but I guess it has something to do with 'de famine'. You couldn't go naming a road in Irish, the majority of the population here don't understand Irish. It'd cause all sorts of problems. Also, I'd think you need to be super nice to those in the British embassy. The Irish will have nowhere to emigrate to when the economy falls on it ass again in a few years.


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
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    sligojoek wrote: »
    Heres an article about the naming of the streets of Nenagh, Co. Tipperary. I remember growing up there and being very confused as some streets/roads even have three names.

    https://nenaghsilentfilmfestival.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/why-nenagh-street-names/

    Tipperary is not alone, there.
    My townland has a few places that are still known by their old names, despite their having been re-named on the map.

    People tend to learn local place-names from their parents, who in turn, learned them from their parents, and so on.

    Just changing the name on a street sign, or map, will only work for people who are not local to the area, imo.

    Force of habit will ensure that people will use the names they always have used...


  • #117
    4ensic15
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    Mellor wrote: »

    Ireland wasn't a Republic until 1948 (as a result of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948)

    The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 didn't come into effect until 18 April 1949, Easter Monday.


  • #118
    WoollyRedHat
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    I think we should rename O'Connell St. to O'Donnell st. It should just be changed overnight, nobody say anything.

    Also I suggest we rename the Liffey to The Fllatley.


  • #119
    Yamanoto
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I think we should rename O'Connell St. to O'Donnell st. It should just be changed overnight, nobody say anything.

    Also I suggest we rename the Liffey to The Fllatley.

    ...and perhaps, Kilkenny to Brendan Kilkenny.


  • #120
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    ...and perhaps, Kilkenny to Brendan Kilkenny.

    Or Endakenny


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  • #121
    LordSutch
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    dfeo wrote: »
    Poland have good relations with Germany, but they still wouldn't keep street names named after them.

    By that^ toxic post I presume you suggesting that Poland's relationship with the Nazi's & Nazi Germany is akin to Irelands relationship with Britain.

    Are you for real?

    Nice try at agitation, but we ain't biting.


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