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Should Ireland rename places named after British people?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    major bill wrote: »
    I propose every person with an English/Planters surname be made stick a mac or O' in front of it.

    Guinness family had their roots in Ulster, The Mcguinnes/McCartan Clan.

    Arthur had a keen interest in his families history and researched and wrote about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    OP has little to worry about. We have had more than enough destruction of 'British' monuments here over the years and where should we stop - the Custom House, The Four Courts, Dublin Castle.... A Fianna Fail clown wanted all the Royal Cyphers ground off all the pillar boxes some years back....

    Night all. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Pathetic.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, keep them with their British names.
    elperello wrote: »
    They might retaliate by re-naming streets carrying the names of Irish people, for instance Downing Street named after an early Irish developer Sir George Downing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Downing,_1st_Baronet

    Calling him Irish is a bit generous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭padohaodha


    No, in fact it should be the complete opposite....People like Collins and Dev destroyed this country...Any mention of them on Street names or signs should be removed and their memories wiped from our consciousness

    Jesus wept.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    dfeo wrote: »
    Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.
    Was there a Hitler Heights there before Israel took over? Because if not, your argument is null and void :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    It would be fantastically cringeworthy if this happened. Would those in favour also like to knock down all the buildings built before 1916? You could replace those "ugly" Georgian buildings in Dublin with some of your lovely modern apartments. :D
    And another thing, what are we going to call the ****ing big brewery down near Huston station?

    They'll name it after Bertie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Bicycle


    And what about the waterproof boots?

    "Concepta, put on dem Willie O'Deas before you go splashing in de puddles and jumping in de mud!!":D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,797 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I'm as Irish as they come , also a Repubican (as in the Anti-Monarchist sense).

    I do think we should not have any royalty references for organisations here such as RDS or Royal College of Surgeons but we should just leave street names as they are as they existed before we became independent.

    Your Israel/Germany comparison is ridiculous by the way as Germany never ruled Israel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Luke Gardiner must be so proud


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    If its a choice between Sinn Fein telling us to change street and town names they don't like and us telling them to **** *** I'll take the second option.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Advbrd


    Henry Moore was mentioned in the OP. His full title was Henry Moore, Earl of Drogheda, which gave us Henry Street, Moore Street, Earl Street, Of Alley and Drogheda Street which used to be part of what is now O' Connell street. I think Mary Street was also named after one of the Moores.
    That's a lot of re-naming.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I'm as Irish as they come , also a Repubican (as in the Anti-Monarchist sense).

    I do think we should not have any royalty references for organisations here such as RDS or Royal College of Surgeons but we should just leave street names as they are as they existed before we became independent.
    How about any Royal Societys that were formed before independent?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    Is there not a Cromwells Quarter in Dublin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,425 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    the_syco wrote: »
    Was there a Hitler Heights there before Israel took over? Because if not, your argument is null and void :P

    There was.....it was just off the Himmler Highway, if you kept Heydrich Hills on your left.
    If you drove up to Göring Grove, you'd gone too far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,791 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    dfeo wrote: »
    There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.
    Moore and Gardiner were both Irish. I'm not sure why you name Gardiner's wife, but she too was Irish. (So was Moore's, for that matter.) In both cases the streets named after them are so named because they owned the land and developed the streets.
    dfeo wrote: »
    There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.
    There's nothing to stop you constructing monuments to, and naming them after, Markievicz or Barry. If you can't be arsed to do so, re-badging monuments erected to honour for other people looks like the cheapskate solution, and would be very far from honouring Markievicz or Barry. Looks like the opposite, really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    getzls wrote: »
    How about any Royal Societys that were formed before independent?



    They should be renamed Royal Societies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Advbrd wrote: »
    Henry Moore was mentioned in the OP. His full title was Henry Moore, Earl of Drogheda, which gave us Henry Street, Moore Street, Earl Street, Of Alley and Drogheda Street which used to be part of what is now O' Connell street. I think Mary Street was also named after one of the Moores.
    That's a lot of re-naming.

    He wrote his name across the map
    Literally


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    fatknacker wrote: »
    Aren't we past the whole "Brits r Bad!!" thing, or will we forever be bitter slaves about it. We've done enough to assert our autonomy without wasting more money on washing away a few names of people who were involved in shaping this land.

    Wonder if the brits are past the whole germans r bad!!! thing . Or will they be forever bitter slaves about it.

    I wish more irish people knew there history and what people sacrificed for what we have today. It wouldn't be wasted money. There are many hero's from our past that we could honour .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    No, keep them with their British names.
    The absurdity of having a Royal Canal in a republic.

    Defo the first thing that needs to be renamed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,791 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Advbrd wrote: »
    Henry Moore was mentioned in the OP. His full title was Henry Moore, Earl of Drogheda, which gave us Henry Street, Moore Street, Earl Street, Of Alley and Drogheda Street which used to be part of what is now O' Connell street. I think Mary Street was also named after one of the Moores.
    That's a lot of re-naming.
    Nope. Mary Street (and Abbey Street) long predate Moore's developments. They are both names after St. Mary's Abbey. They were both laid out more or less in the form that we have them today by Humphrey Jarvis, for whom Jervis Street is named.

    Jarvis was English, but fussing about whether he was English or Irish highlights the stupidity of the OP's approach to this question. To rename Dublin streets and landmarks based on a xenophobic set of priorities is to obscure and erase much of the living history of the city. The lands of the dissolved Mary's Abbey were granted to the Moore family. The Moors sold part of the lands to Jarvis, an English carpetbagger who came over with the Lord Lieutenant, Capel. Jarvis developed his purchase, giving us not only Jervis Street, Mary Street, Abbey Street and (of course) Mary's Abbey but also Capel Street, whose name reflects Jarvis's dependence on his patron. Jervis's developments increased the value of the lands to the north which the Moores had retained, and in due course they developed those lands, giving us Henry Street, Moore Street and others. All these names mean something, and they tell us something about the social history and political significance of the locality to which they are attached.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 13,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Did this thread fall into 2017 from 1937?

    You'll find that we have renamed thousands of streets and landmarks with the names of Irish patriots in the 30 years following independence. We even renamed some towns with their Irish names but the residents moved to have them changed back to their names in English.

    The fact is, we cannot erase or forget our history. I have no problem with a street being called Georges St for example.

    All monuments of Queen Victoria were removed and destroyed after Independnece. Enough of this has been done.

    Kicking up over non-Irish names on streets almost a century after independence is a sign of a deep cultural immaturity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,492 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    And another thing, what are we going to call the ****ing big brewery down near Huston station?
    What, that big brewery named after an Irishman, from Dublin/Kildare, whose ancestors were from Down?

    I've no idea what to call it, but I can't see how it's relevant.
    Dexter Bip wrote: »
    It's almost 100 years since the Irish Republic came into being.
    Ireland wasn't a Republic until 1948 (as a result of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Advbrd


    And another thing, what are we going to call the ****ing big brewery down near Huston station?
    Perhaps we should call it St. James's Gate Brewery. That has a nice ring to it. Or maybe even Diageo although that is British so maybe not.
    I presume you are referring to Kingsbridge Station.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    dfeo wrote: »
    Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

    It's not really, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭mattser


    Almost 70% in attached thread poll in favour of keeping names. Delighted with that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    fatknacker wrote: »
    Aren't we past the whole "Brits r Bad!!" thing, or will we forever be bitter slaves about it. We've done enough to assert our autonomy without wasting more money on washing away a few names of people who were involved in shaping this land.

    Anyway as our American intellectual overlords now tell us, we all have white privilege and white historical guilt. All the whites.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Ferrari3600


    dfeo wrote: »

    Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

    Sorry, no, wrong.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, keep them with their British names.
    Sorry, no, wrong.

    He could have said Poland, no Hitler Square in warsaw anymore


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  • Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Moore and Gardiner were both Irish.

    Can't believe it took so long for someone to point this out.

    I suspect that for the OP "Irish" means something more specific than 'born and lived in Ireland'.


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