No social housing

Roger_007 · 17-01-2017 02:39PM

Why is there a fear of 'ghettoisation ' if there are a lot of local authority houses in the same area. I grew up in a council house and I never regarded it as a ghetto. I know there have been some schemes like Fatima Mansions where the residents effectively thrashed the place themselves. But that is not the fault of the local authority.
There are plenty of large schemes where the residents took pride in their houses and their environment and nobody calls them ghettos.

nelly17 · 17-01-2017 02:46PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why is there a fear of 'ghettoisation ' if there are a lot of local authority houses in the same area. I grew up in a council house and I never regarded it as a ghetto. I know there have been some schemes like Fatima Mansions where the residents effectively thrashed the place themselves. But that is not the fault of the local authority.
There are plenty of large schemes where the residents took pride in their houses and their environment and nobody calls them ghettos.

In fact some would argue there is a better sense of community in these locations than in a lot of private developments

KyussBeeshop · 17-01-2017 02:50PM

Phoebas wrote: »

This whole fiasco highlighted the fact that there was a great deal of government action on the issue of rough sleepers.

There used to be a common (mis)perception that there wasn't enough capacity for every rough sleeper who wanted a place.

This distraction tactic isn't going to work either. You're not going to fool people into thinking it's solely about rough sleepers, when everybody knows it's also about the fúcked up housing/rental market and government inaction in the face of that - which is obvious to people in this thread, given that people are discussing exactly that.

Phoebas · 17-01-2017 03:06PM

KyussBeeshop wrote: »

This distraction tactic isn't going to work either. You're not going to fool people into thinking it's solely about rough sleepers, when everybody knows it's also about the fúcked up housing/rental market and government inaction in the face of that - which is obvious to people in this thread, given that people are discussing exactly that.

Eh?

I didn't make that point at all.
I think it's you attempting a distraction tactic, not me.

My only point was that the government are taking action on the issue of rough sleepers (the only segment that Apollo House was catering for) and that it was shown not to be true that there wasn't enough capacity for every rough sleeper who wanted a place.

JupiterKid · 17-01-2017 03:22PM

At this stage the housing crisis is so severe that there needs to be mass, sustained protests over the need for large scale social housing. Whether that will happen is another matter.

We need to be building social housing on a scale not seen since the 1970s. The privatisation of social housing over the past 20 odd years has been a disaster.

jameorahiely · 17-01-2017 03:32PM

We need to answer the question of why normal houses are priced out of range of the normal buyer.

At least they managed to remove a lot of people from the housing list
http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-list-questionnaire-3190410-Jan2017/

VinLieger · 17-01-2017 04:07PM

jameorahiely wrote: »

We need to answer the question of why normal houses are priced out of range of the normal buyer.

At least they managed to remove a lot of people from the housing list
http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-list-questionnaire-3190410-Jan2017/

Anyone who failed to respond to 3 attempts at contact and didnt update their address quite obviously isnt in dire need of accomodation

corner of hells · 17-01-2017 04:35PM

Phoebas wrote: »

KyussBeeshop wrote: »

This distraction tactic isn't going to work either. You're not going to fool people into thinking it's solely about rough sleepers, when everybody knows it's also about the fúcked up housing/rental market and government inaction in the face of that - which is obvious to people in this thread, given that people are discussing exactly that.

Eh? I didn't make that point at all.
I think it's you attempting a distraction tactic, not me.

My only point was that the government are taking action on the issue of rough sleepers (the only segment that Apollo House was catering for) and that it was shown not to be true that there wasn't enough capacity for every rough sleeper who wanted a place.

If anything ,in Appollo house attempts were made to choose who could access the building .Addicts and individuals with severe mental ill health were excluded.

Wheeliebin30 · 17-01-2017 04:41PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

At this stage the housing crisis is so severe that there needs to be mass, sustained protests over the need for large scale social housing. Whether that will happen is another matter.

We need to be building social housing on a scale not seen since the 1970s. The privatisation of social housing over the past 20 odd years has been a disaster.

Isn't there plans for 47,000 new social houses by 2021?

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.rte.ie/amp/803293/

The 114-page document aims to accelerate all types of housing supply and provide 47,000 new social houses over the next six years as well as targeting an annual overall build of 25,000 units per year.

As we speak it has started.

Phoebas · 17-01-2017 05:00PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

As we speak it has started.

Exactly. €5.5bn of taxpayers money going into social housing - a very positive move.

But some of these whingers are never happy with good news, or any positive moves to change things for the better. They'ed prefer for everything to be shít than to acknowledge that some progress is being made.
Brendan Ogle and his cheerleaders don't care about doing anything for the homeless - it's all about the political campaign for them. The homeless are pawns.

andekwarhola · 17-01-2017 05:46PM

nelly17 wrote: »

The Government have dug themselves into a hole with their whole approach to social housing - by en large most of the government costs on housing these days goes directly into the hands of private landlords and they have nothing to show for it at the end of the day. I appreciate this was done to stop the Ghettoisation of certain areas but when they build Council Estates at least they had something to show for those costs and were able to put roofs over peoples heads

IIRC, local authorities allowed developers to pay a tariff to wriggle out of allocating a set percentage of new builds for social housing but virtually ceased building local authority housing themselves.

Now, as pointed elsewhere, they're often essentially paying or subsidizing private sector rents to house people instead of being paid at least something in rent, even if below market rate.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-01-2017 06:45PM

'Focus Ireland has confirmed that the Unite union offered its former headquarters to homeless services some years ago.

Director of Advocacy Mike Allen said the offer was made to house the homeless.'

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0117/845671-unite-union-merrion-square/

RayM · 17-01-2017 07:11PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

'Focus Ireland has confirmed that the Unite union offered its former headquarters to homeless services some years ago.

Director of Advocacy Mike Allen said the offer was made to house the homeless.'

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0117/845671-unite-union-merrion-square/

Ouch. Looks like John Kilraine owes Brendan Ogle an apology for the poor attempt at a hatchet-job.

Ray Palmer · 17-01-2017 08:37PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why is there a fear of 'ghettoisation ' if there are a lot of local authority houses in the same area. I grew up in a council house and I never regarded it as a ghetto. I know there have been some schemes like Fatima Mansions where the residents effectively thrashed the place themselves. But that is not the fault of the local authority.
There are plenty of large schemes where the residents took pride in their houses and their environment and nobody calls them ghettos.

I can't agree. It is a very real issue and I don't know of one in Dublin that doesn't have social issues. I grew up beside them and with people who lived there and there was a huge difference a few streets away.
I bought my first house in a corpo estate and sold moving 10 minutes walk away and the community is completely different.
The government should never be allowed create such estates again. They have messed up way more than been successful. Integration is the best for all and that include ages,marital status and incomes.

Dyr · 17-01-2017 08:51PM

RayM wrote: »

Ouch. Looks like John Kilraine owes Brendan Ogle an apology for the poor attempt at a hatchet-job.

I imagine quite a few posters will step quietly down off their pedestals and exit the thread without fanfare..

VinLieger · 18-01-2017 12:12AM

Bambi wrote: »

I imagine quite a few posters will step quietly down off their pedestals and exit the thread without fanfare..

Im fine admitting when im wrong thank you very much, dunno why they didnt come out and say this in the first place tbh.

I still think it would have been a shrewder PR play to use their own old headquarters to embarrass nama however instead of apollo house, they may noy have had as many people gunning for them that way

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