Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

seligehgit · 12-01-2017 08:05PM

Are we expecting a similar team for the game against Sligo IT on Sunday?

Hopefully the weather conditions become milder over the weekend as forecast.

Is there any particular reason Stephen Rochford didn't go to South Africa?Of course he only very recently became a father again.If as I believe he stayed put to check out the range of alternative talent available in the county,one has to admire his commitment to the cause.He deserved the break as much as lads after a long season.

Dyr · 12-01-2017 08:08PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Is there any particular reason Stephen Rochford didn't go to South Africa?

Wasn't picked by the O'Sheas I heard

seanvanseanvan · 12-01-2017 09:27PM

Bambi wrote: »

Wasn't picked by the O'Sheas I heard

seligehgit · 12-01-2017 09:37PM

The under 21 team play Sligo in round 2 of the North West Cup at the Sligo Centre of Excellence in Scarden at 6.

Blackjack · 13-01-2017 12:34AM

Jaden wrote: »

Given that the GAA had to bailout the loan debt on McHale, Mayo don't even pay for McHale, technically.

Mayo most certainly are paying for McHale park. You clearly don't understand the terms of the arrangements.

Jaden · 13-01-2017 10:39AM

Blackjack wrote: »

Mayo most certainly are paying for McHale park. You clearly don't understand the terms of the arrangements.

It's little tongue in cheek response, nothing more. As I understand, Mayo took out at €10 million loan, 5 from Ulster Bank, and 5 from GAA central. Unable to deal with repayments, the debt was restructured so that the GAA central also assumed the Ulster bank half, Freeing up about €15K a month in repayments, spread over the next 3 decades. It dragged on a bit, but I think the house is generally in order.

Blackjack · 13-01-2017 10:45AM

Jaden wrote: »

It's little tongue in cheek response, nothing more. As I understand, Mayo took out at €10 million loan, 5 from Ulster Bank, and 5 from GAA central. Unable to deal with repayments, the debt was restructured so that the GAA central also assumed the Ulster bank half, Freeing up about €15K a month in repayments, spread over the next 3 decades. It dragged on a bit, but I think the house is generally in order.

The full amount is being paid back to the GAA Central. It makes perfect sense. GAA central restructured the loan so that it would be paying back at the lower interest rate which would not be available to Mayo GAA. Bank gets their money, GAA gets their money. Mayo Still pays for its own stadium.
As Croke Park itself is fully paid up it makes sense to leverage it for Collateral where situations like this deem it appropriate.

it's not like Croke Park where everyone got to pay for it but one team uses it as their home ground.

Jaden · 13-01-2017 11:51AM

So everyone pays for Croke park, but one County Board leveraging it as an asset is good, and another leveraging it bad? Ok, ok, I oversimplified, but you see the point I'm trying to make.

AFAIK the oft touted 25,000 seat ground is back on the cards recently. I personally love the idea. A mostly empty Croker is a ****e place to host a league or early round championship game, and @9K, the Nell is not fit for purpose.

The thing is, is that it ain't gonna be cheap, and the GAA are going to have to fund a fair chunk of it. That's money that could be used for other things. Would Mayo be happy with the potential belt-tightening that may have to take place for this to become a reality?

Blackjack · 13-01-2017 11:59AM

Jaden wrote: »

So everyone pays for Croke park, but one County Board leveraging it as an asset is good, and another leveraging it bad? Ok, ok, I oversimplified, but you see the point I'm trying to make.

AFAIK the oft touted 25,000 seat ground is back on the cards recently. I personally love the idea. A mostly empty Croker is a ****e place to host a league or early round championship game, and @9K, the Nell is not fit for purpose.

The thing is, is that it ain't gonna be cheap, and the GAA are going to have to fund a fair chunk of it. That's money that could be used for other things. Would Mayo be happy with the potential belt-tightening that may have to take place for this to become a reality?

How about the Dublin County board pay for their own stadium, like everyone else is expected to do?. Sell Parnell Park if it's not fit for purpose.

By all means leverage Croke Park to borrow whats needed.

Jaden · 13-01-2017 12:34PM

Blackjack wrote: »

How about the Dublin County board pay for their own stadium, like everyone else is expected to do?. Sell Parnell Park if it's not fit for purpose.

By all means leverage Croke Park to borrow whats needed.

Sounds entirely reasonable. Selling the Nell, and a €40 odd million loan from GAA central would go a decent part of the way to getting a 25K stadium in place. At the end of the day, we are all going to be saddled with a debt that ties up funding that could be invested elsewhere.

As an aside, seeing as the game against Sligo IT this weekend is probably a dead rubber game as regards making the FBD final, what kind of lineup could we expect to see taking to the pitch? Massively experimental again, or more like what the league setup might look like?

MayoAreMagic · 13-01-2017 12:45PM

Jaden wrote: »

Sounds entirely reasonable. Selling the Nell, and a €40 odd million loan from GAA central would go a decent part of the way to getting a 25K stadium in place. At the end of the day, we are all going to be saddled with a debt that ties up funding that could be invested elsewhere.

Id imagine Dublin would be getting the majority of that loan out themselves to be honest with you. I mean if mayo would only get half to begin with, then I cant see Dublin getting the whole lot straight off the bat. They are more than capable of meeting repayments on their own, so I doubt they would be getting the gaa to pay for it. The rest of the country are already paying for their development as regards on the field, (20% of the population reside in Dublin, yet they get over 50% of development money. It doesn't take a genius to work out that 20% will produce 20% of the overall take - therefore 60% of that figure is coming from outside Dublin).

As they say themselves, when incoming funds are being discussed, they are more like a province than a county. Therefore the same must go for outgoings Id imagine.
Funny enough, the province spiel is turned on it's head completely when games are discussed...

Blackjack · 13-01-2017 01:04PM

Jaden wrote: »

Sounds entirely reasonable. Selling the Nell, and a €40 odd million loan from GAA central would go a decent part of the way to getting a 25K stadium in place. At the end of the day, we are all going to be saddled with a debt that ties up funding that could be invested elsewhere.

No one except Mayo is being saddled with Mayo's debt.
Unless Croke Park is fully leveraged as Collateral already (it's not, not even a fraction of it), then the cost of funding Mayos' Debt is being entirely borne by Mayo GAA and no one else.
All that is being done is the GAA are using their extensive and otherwise unused credit lines and access to cheaper funding from banks to "grandfather" or act effectively as guarantor on Mayo's debt.
No one is losing out on any funding as a result of the arrangements made to service Mayo's debt.

There should be no reason for anyone except perhaps Dublin to be impacted by funding provided to build a shiny new stadium to replace Parnell Park.

Jaden wrote: »

As an aside, seeing as the game against Sligo IT this weekend is probably a dead rubber game as regards making the FBD final, what kind of lineup could we expect to see taking to the pitch? Massively experimental again, or more like what the league setup might look like?

A bit more of the same as last week. Perhaps without the Westport lads and the existing under 21 panel given they both have games themselves.
Can't see many of the main Senior Panel featuring but a few may be called in given numbers are shorter again.

seligehgit · 13-01-2017 02:12PM

Blackjack wrote: »

No one except Mayo is being saddled with Mayo's debt.
Unless Croke Park is fully leveraged as Collateral already (it's not, not even a fraction of it), then the cost of funding Mayos' Debt is being entirely borne by Mayo GAA and no one else.
All that is being done is the GAA are using their extensive and otherwise unused credit lines and access to cheaper funding from banks to "grandfather" or act effectively as guarantor on Mayo's debt.
No one is losing out on any funding as a result of the arrangements made to service Mayo's debt.

There should be no reason for anyone except perhaps Dublin to be impacted by funding provided to build a shiny new stadium to replace Parnell Park.

A bit more of the same as last week. Perhaps without the Westport lads and the existing under 21 panel given they both have games themselves.
Can't see many of the main Senior Panel featuring but a few may be called in given numbers are shorter again.

The senior panel are only returning from South Africa tomorrow or so I believe?

Blackjack · 13-01-2017 02:57PM

seligehgit wrote: »

The senior panel are only returning from South Africa tomorrow or so I believe?

That's my understanding. Those that didn't travel are more likely to feature.
Can't see many others being asked to play but you never know.

MayoAreMagic · 13-01-2017 05:33PM

Bambi wrote: »

Wasn't picked by the O'Sheas I heard

Very good, you have to laugh at that one.

The number of likes from Dub posters floating around on the mayo page is a bit cringe though...

seligehgit · 13-01-2017 06:08PM

The Advertiser is reporting that Brendan Harrison will miss at least the first two rounds of the league post an operation.Ger Caff is still on a return to play protocol and it could be late February or early March before he is back in action.

Lee Keegan and Kevin Keane will be marked absent until the end of Westport's involvement in the intermediate championship.The result of their semi final on Sunday January 29th will determine their availability for our opening league game against Monaghan the following week.

Donal55 · 13-01-2017 06:09PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Very good, you have to laugh at that one.

The number of likes from Dub posters floating around on the mayo page is a bit cringe though...

A bit rich coming fro the mayo man who has a season ticket for the Dubln page ðŸ˜œ

flasher0030 · 13-01-2017 06:09PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Very good, you have to laugh at that one.

The number of likes from Dub posters floating around on the mayo page is a bit cringe though...

Some neck on you. Have you been floating around the Dublin page any time recently. How many posts have you put on the Dublin page this week alone.

km79 · 13-01-2017 06:20PM

I can only see about a quarter of the posts on here now I've so many people on ignore
Might be time to just unfollow

charlie14 · 13-01-2017 07:25PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

Some neck on you. Have you been floating around the Dublin page any time recently. How many posts have you put on the Dublin page this week alone.

I see what you mean.

Throwing stones in a glasshouse...... never a good idea.:D

seligehgit · 13-01-2017 07:44PM

Neil Douglas will miss Mayo’s remaining matches in the FBD Connacht League after breaking a finger during last Sunday’s defeat to NUIG.

He is understood to have undergone surgery on the injury earlier this week.

Kalyke · 13-01-2017 08:18PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

Some neck on you. Have you been floating around the Dublin page any time recently. How many posts have you put on the Dublin page this week alone.

Double irony is the best.....

charlie1980 · 13-01-2017 11:14PM

Bambi wrote: »

Wasn't picked by the O'Sheas I heard

A brilliant post.

This is the thing,is Rochforfd going to stand up and be counted?

TCDStudent1 · 14-01-2017 12:33AM

seligehgit wrote: »

The Advertiser is reporting that Brendan Harrison will miss at least the first two rounds of the league post an operation.Ger Caff is still on a return to play protocol and it could be late February or early March before he is back in action.

Lee Keegan and Kevin Keane will be marked absent until the end of Westport's involvement in the intermediate championship.The result of their semi final on Sunday January 29th will determine their availability for our opening league game against Monaghan the following week.

That must have been a terribly bad hamstring tear by Cafferkey. How long has he been out now?

seligehgit · 14-01-2017 12:39AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

That must have been a terribly bad hamstring tear by Cafferkey. How long has he been out now?

Can't recall exactly but it must be coming up on a year or more.

Always_Running · 14-01-2017 03:14AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

That must have been a terribly bad hamstring tear by Cafferkey. How long has he been out now?

Apparently he tore his hamstring off the bone.

Jaden · 14-01-2017 12:59PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Apparently he tore his hamstring off the bone.

*winces*

A fine player. he was really missed last year. He shores up that spot in front of the D quite well, and is a solid man marker. He had a great game in the 2014 League game that ended all square, nearly kicked a fine own point mind you. Any idea when he'll be back on the pitch?

mayo.mick · 14-01-2017 01:31PM

Jaden wrote: »

*winces*

A fine player. he was really missed last year. He shores up that spot in front of the D quite well, and is a solid man marker. He had a great game in the 2014 League game that ended all square, nearly kicked a fine own point mind you. Any idea when he'll be back on the pitch?

Towards the end of the league I think.

seligehgit · 14-01-2017 09:08PM

Under 21 result

Mayo 10 Sligo 2-5

‪‪1. Matthew Flanagan
2. Eoghan McGrath
3. Marcus Park
4. Gerard Holian
5. James Kelly
6. Sean Conlon
7. Shairoze Akram
8. Sean Walsh
9. Barry Duffy
10. Jordan Flynn
11. Brian Reape
12. James McCormack
13. Ross Egan
14. James Carr
15. Kevin Quinn

MayoAreMagic · 15-01-2017 06:33PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

Some neck on you. Have you been floating around the Dublin page any time recently. How many posts have you put on the Dublin page this week alone.

Im one person though....

Plus I was making valid points on the dublin page. The difference here is a few dubs just hanging around waiting to like comments from other dubs. Its pretty sad.

Another example - Did you notice the delight of the dubs when mayo last to nuig? Did you then notice that mayo people didnt give a toss when dublin lost to UCD? Therein lies the point man..

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