Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Roark · 14-01-2017 01:49PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

And that's a problem for Nintendo

Not really. Nintendo still have a really strong fanbase. The Switch can be a success if they don't make a balls of it like they did with the Wii U. Non regulars coming in here and trying to stir is the same thing that happens in the club threads over at the soccer forum. Trolls be trollin.

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 01:51PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Is not remarkable the amount of non-forum regulars who seem to be posting with the only message that this isn't the console for them?

As for games making the journey from WiiU to Switch, I don't see why not, many of those titles were also on PC and other formats, so porting shouldn't be a problem really, especially if they are written to middleware, like Unity or Unreal.
We've seen discounts available to owners of games on one Nintendo format when it's released for another, no reason to think this won't persist.

It's almost as if quite a few of these people wouldn't have bought the Switch no matter how that presentation went or the launch line up. Odd that.

Tom Mann Centuria · 14-01-2017 01:55PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

It's almost as if quite a few of these people wouldn't have bought the Switch no matter how that presentation went or the launch line up. Odd that.

Unless it was as powerful as the Sunway TaihuLight supercomputer, had 50 games ready to go, cost 150 euro with 5 free games and a foot rub. They MIGHT consider the possibility of maybe buying one then.

But that's OK, it's not for everyone.

druss · 14-01-2017 02:00PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Bugger
Seems confirmed that the WiiU pro controller won't work with the Switch
https://mic.com/articles/165115/nintendo-switch-controller-options-compatibility-what-controllers-support-the-switch#.KMjY23GMd
I was hoping to save some money, being able to use my current controller with the new machine, especially with two player titles, dammit!

I'd been hoping the same, especially as the price for the Switch Pro Controller is quite high.

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 02:05PM

Price of the joy cons is too high. I'm sure the wii motes weren't that expensive at launch, around £20/25 as I recall.

sligeach · 14-01-2017 02:10PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Price of the joy cons is too high. I'm sure the wii motes weren't that expensive st launch, around £20/25 as I recall.

Nintendo are still charging £40 for a Wii remote. Smyths charge €45.

http://store.nintendo.co.uk/wii-u-accessories/wii-remote-plus-bowser/11195565.html

http://www.smythstoys.com/ie/en-ie/video-games-tablets/c-743/nintendo-wii-wii-u/p-3995/wii-u-remote-plus-white-wii-u/

I think the original Wii remote was around the same price. But these new accessories are even more expensive.

Osmosis Jones · 14-01-2017 02:11PM

I'm not a regular, I'm posting because Nintendo just revealed a new console and that's big news in the gaming world. I didn't like the Wii U and had hoped this would pull me back into the Nintendo system, it hasn't and I've expressed my concerns and disappointments in a relevant forum.

I guess because I don't like it and I'm not always posting here I should just keep my mouth shut though?

14-01-2017 02:11PM

Interview with Reggie - http://gonintendo.com/stories/271884-reggie-stay-tuned-for-info-on-possible-switch-vc-discounts-tr

He says "stay tuned" for info on possible VC discounts/transfers for the VC games you already own.

CiDeRmAn · 14-01-2017 02:12PM

We could be seeing the same pricing decision that we saw with the 3DS, when there was a pricing change the market responded positively.
But, why speculate when it isn't even out yet.

The lack of launch games is troubling but then the PS4 and XB1 had nothing to compare with LoZ and so we may be concernes over nothing.
That there are relatively few WiiU consoles out there probably means that that games release on a cheaper format is going to have little impact on the Switch games sales.

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 02:15PM

GameCube games for the ambassador programme in 6 months?

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 02:25PM

I love my Wii U, more than most consoles I ever owned. This though, hasn't won me over in the slightest.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-13-switch-clicks-in-the-hands-but-on-paper-its-in-trouble

Brilliantly wrote article. All the positives at the start, almost mouth watering. Then the reality hits home, and the horrible mess Nintendo seem to be making of it.

The comments are very fair too, and mostly negative. It's a shocking launch.

Valord · 14-01-2017 02:34PM

I'm not a regular poster but I have been following the thread and I am somewhat concerned about this lately. I've been a Nintendo fan since the days of the SNES and was the only kid I knew who stuck with Gamecube for the entire generation instead of jumping to the PS2 and Xbox like everyone else I knew. I didn't get a non-Nintendo console until a few year into the PS3's life cycle. I have a Wii U and I really like the Wii U, I get a lot more use out of it than my PS4, and it's basically the only thing I know of with decent local multiplayer games from its generation.

That said, the Wii U functioned very much as a supplementary console for my PC, which is where I get most of my games. I honestly don't think "only 1 great game at launch" (the PS4 and XBO had none) or "expensive controllers" are going to really make much of a difference at all. My big fear with the Switch is that if the specs are, again, miles behind the competition, it will be doomed to "supplementary" status. That's fine for me, personally, because I would just buy all my cross-platform games on PC anyway (I want the Nintendo console for Nintendo's consistently high-quality exclusives), but I think it's a huge chink in the armour for the console to have mainstream success like its competitors.

A lot of houses are going to have just one console, whether due to lack of money or lack of interest, and I don't think many will be willing to ditch all of the big AAA blockbuster games (varying in quality as they may be) to get what would probably amount to 5-6 really good Nintendo games.We can all talk about how the Nintendo fans are the ones who need to be impressed but Nintendo fans couldn't carry the Wii U, despite the fact that it had some really excellent games. It needs to break into a more mainstream audience.

It needs to be something that regular teenagers and young adults are talking about and that they can play with each other on. Things like Smash Bros 4 have very dedicated online followings, but right now if you take the average person who plays games on a console or PC, and if they've even heard of the Wii U, the chances are high they've never touched one. I don't even know a single other person who owns one or was ever interested in buying one, despite having lots of gaming friends. They'll happily play it in multiplayer and will enjoy it, but it wouldn't cross their minds to ever actually buy one.

And for most of those people, I can't see them considering a Switch any more if it's going to lack a strong online multiplayer and the usual big games (things like Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Dragon Age, Fallout, Skyrim, MGS etc). The only way I can see it being highly successful is if it's marketed as a high-powered portable console, rather than a low-powered home console. Then it could have some forgiveness and a chance, but to do that, the price will have to drop, because there's an expectation of portable consoles being cheaper than home consoles, and right now it's priced about the same as the home consoles.

Corholio · 14-01-2017 02:42PM

I think it's a bit unfair to say any non-member is being negative for the sake of it, because Nintendo do have a few problems with this certainly, it's those who immediately shout 'doom' after a day that are a bit OTT. The console price is a bit high although I don't think it's their biggest problem at all, €250 would have been the very least it could have been especially when £250 has been the rumoured price for so long, and it's only slightly above that. The accessory price though are a different problem, they do seem quite high. The Joy-Cons do seem quite expensive, they really need to be a very decent bit of kit to justify that and although early reviews are pretty glowing of them, they really need a substantial amount of use in games to be worth forking that out for another pair. The lack of a pack in game hasn't helped either, first time since the Gamecube I think.

It's not been the ideal launch, a stronger launch lineup would have helped substantially. I think the first year will be a much better gauge though as launches always have reasonably big sales regardless, it's the staggered sales that Nintendo will need and the games unannounced to go with it. The PS3 and Xbox One had awful launches but found their footing after a while. I think the games that Nintendo haven't announced will be very important to the first 12 months of the console. The online situation needs clarification too because a lot of the info has come from the US side of things and there's always differences between territories in that.

A lot of the reviews of the actual hardware and software ware have been very positive, a lot saying it's the most high tech feeling console that Nintendo have had. It's the price points and future software question marks that will dog Nintendo for a while until it becomes more clearer.

Vyse · 14-01-2017 02:48PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

And that's a problem for Nintendo

This. Nintendo need to be attracting new fans from the existing market and they are failing to do that. It seems that you cannot comment on Nintendo unless you are a Nintendo fan. I remember making a comment in the WiiU discussion board a few years ago. In the interest of disclosure I stated that I wasn't a Nintendo fan (not that I have anything against them). I was therefore dismissed out of hand and the essence was if you're not a fan then why are you commenting here.

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

That's just my 2 cents anyway...

OwaynOTT · 14-01-2017 02:53PM

First of all, I'm a massive Nintendo fan and a regularish poster in here and usually positive but the the Switch reveal has felt me feeling underwhelmed.
It is too pricey considering the competition and the amount of content in those systems now.
It shouldn't matter how much the ps4 and that Xbox thing was priced at launch. All that matters is how much they are now.
Nintendo never really take a hit on the price of their hardware but I think this was a time they needed to do it, to leave the naysayers with no reason not to buy one.
The peripherals are too costly also.
The had a major misstep with the WiiU and expect the people who were burnt by that console and those who never dipped into that, admittedly excellent pool, to shell out premium prices considering the market for an underpowered machine, with limited third party support.
The hybridity is a nice idea but I can't see it being enough of a seller to convince western audiences to adopt it enmass.
They needed to come out swinging to convince the naysayers gamers and game developers that Nintendo is a must buy for everyone not just the Nintendo faithful whom are attracted by fire emblem and other kinda niche titles.
It will sell well in Japan I reckon but definitive software ports of wiiu games mightn't do that well, as they all ready sold well over there. Those titles might do better here.

I'm looking forward to zelda, Mario kart (haven't got the dlc) and Mario in the city and very pleased with battle mode in Mario kart and even bomberman.
Disappointed there's no news of an fzero and the reward for buying an online memebership being only temporary. I can't see that changing though.
I'll probably never use it on the go but can see me using it more than a traditional console in the home, so that's a plus.

Hopefully Nintendo do actually blow us all away and his time next year we can all look back and laugh at the feeling of dread and the lacklustre response to the switch.

Fire emblem warriors is great but I want another traditional fire emblem game!

McLoughlin · 14-01-2017 02:59PM

Vyse wrote: »

This. Nintendo need to be attracting new fans from the existing market and they are failing to do that. It seems that you cannot comment on Nintendo unless you are a Nintendo fan. I remember making a comment in the WiiU discussion board a few years ago. In the interest of disclosure I stated that I wasn't a Nintendo fan (not that I have anything against them). I was therefore dismissed out of hand and the essence was if you're not a fan then why are you commenting here.

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

That's just my 2 cents anyway...

People working in Gamestop told me they all ways have a few parents asking about Mario on Xbox or Playstation in the run up to christmas

Danonino. · 14-01-2017 03:03PM

Personally the launch lineup doesn't really worry me. They are pushing the console out as soon as they can in 2017 to get the buzz needed to actually compete the holiday season. To create a buzz and a want for the console early in the year with titles like Splatoon 2 then drop some heavy hitters late in the year.

The price is fine, a Wii U with Mario Kart 8 is STILL around that price in places like Smyths. Early adopters will always pay a premium. What price was the PS4 at launch? The 3DS? The price is around what I expected.

I don't think the switches faith lies in 3rd party, or Assassin's creed, COD etc. Who actually buys a Nintendo consoles to play rainbow six online with their friends? Sweet feck all I say. I think for Nintendo to really succeed here they need to truly combine their handheld and home console markets. I hope that's the direction they are going in as it's the only one that makes sense to me.

I'm very very surprised they didn't announce Pokémon for the switch. Not a ****e spin off or mystery dungeon etc but Sun and Moons platinum. If there ever was a system seller that's it. Also what have Retro studios been making???

The last proper metroid by retro was 10 years ago, they co-made Mario kart 7 and then two donkey Kong countrys. I see an announcement from them soon.

EA making FIFA switch edition rather than a port of 17 screams 3rd party's don't see it as a direct competitor to PS4/XBO and is more its own thing. Nintendo need to embrace that. If they... Let's say announced a new handheld. That's it done, the console will fail as it has no true direction. If they focus all their efforts on the switch I can't see them fail.

Retr0gamer · 14-01-2017 03:04PM

Also the people screaming that it's the worst launch line up ever need a reality check. At least one of the games is looking like a bona fine classic and the others might surprise. People are forgetting how bad all PlayStation launches were (PS1 was pretty woeful in Japan outside of ridge racer) and consoles have launched with less games, namely the SNES, Saturn and N64. I'm hearing this nonsense from so called game journalists in pretty big websites.

OwaynOTT · 14-01-2017 03:05PM

Vyse wrote: »

This. Nintendo need to be attracting new fans from the existing market and they are failing to do that. It seems that you cannot comment on Nintendo unless you are a Nintendo fan. I remember making a comment in the WiiU discussion board a few years ago. In the interest of disclosure I stated that I wasn't a Nintendo fan (not that I have anything against them). I was therefore dismissed out of hand and the essence was if you're not a fan then why are you commenting here.

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

That's just my 2 cents anyway...

While it was a failure it should almost 15 million units. That's a lot of people and the software sold by the bucketload. Sure the 3ds has sold 5 times that with massive software sales.
Oh yeah there was that whole Pokemon go craze and Mario run is selling well on iOS despite the steep price.
There's a demand for Nintendo titles. Look at the classic nes mini and the second hand retro market.

CiDeRmAn · 14-01-2017 03:15PM

When the XboxOne was announced I was disappointed that there was nothing I wanted to play, and I waited until Halo 5 before buying one, that October.
When the PS4 was announced I was similarly underwhelmed, and ended up waiting a little while because the only game worth having was Resogun, and it was the promise of Bloodborne that made the machine worth owning, picking the machine up in early 2014.
The WiiU, had an equally sparse line up, with nothing of interesting, aside from the sometime packin Nintendoland.
All the machines needed time to bring out games of consequence, yet the Switch is going launch with Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, surely a launch game of a similar scale to Super Mario World/Super Mario 64.
The Snes didn't launch with it's most defining title, SFII, the Megadrive didn't launch with it's key title Sonic the Hedgehog either, but those are the games most people associate with the system.
When we consider the PS3 or the PS2 we don't think of Ridge Racer V or Resistance, or at least I hope no one does.
The Xbox launch was probably one of the few, alongside the Gamecube and 360 that had some decent fare on offer, with Halo, Amped and Project Gotham on the Xbox, WaveRace, Super Monkeyball, Rogue Squadron and Luigi's Mansion on the GC and PGR3, Quake 4 and CoD2 on the 360.

So, the immediate launch titles on the Switch, particularly at a time of year not known for console releases should not trouble us too much, with the last quarter of 2017 being more relevant and, apparently, replete with big titles, including Mario Odyssey available by then, to tempt the shopper.

CiDeRmAn · 14-01-2017 03:17PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Also the people screaming that it's the worst launch line up ever need a reality check. At least one of the games is looking like a bona fine classic and the others might surprise. People are forgetting how bad all PlayStation launches were (PS1 was pretty woeful in Japan outside of ridge racer) and consoles have launched with less games, namely the SNES, Saturn and N64. I'm hearing this nonsense from so called game journalists in pretty big websites.

It's simply lazy journalists, trying to ride a wave of popular opinion and maintain an appearance of being an opinion maker, rather than taking the time to actually play the thing and then make up their minds.
I firmly believe that this behaviour is, in part at least, responsible for the WiiU's short lifespan, despite being jam packed with games worth playing.

Danonino. · 14-01-2017 03:18PM

Ha ha I remember pricing up The PS3 display boxes with €599 stickers and Resistance was.... Wait for it... €89

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 03:22PM

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

Atari Jaguar · 14-01-2017 03:25PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

I can tell you now the PS3 was not a huge success to start off. It only changed once Sony fixed their marketing strategy. Saying ridiculous things like "you'll get a second job for a PS3" who thought that was a good idea? But it was all about Xbox for a time, until it caught up, that's all Nintendo need to do. They need consistency in their marketing and a steady lineup of good games and the switch will not fail.

The Wii U had awful marketing, with the Wii U most average consumers thought it was another Wii. It seems more like that's what Nintendo were hoping for, people would see Wii U and think it's the next Wii and pick it up based on that, but forgetting or ignoring that the crowd who bought Wii aren't so interested in sitting playing games on a tablet or gamepad.

From what I see of this there's very little gimmicks, it's a console and it's a handheld, it's an easy explanation to someone who doesn't really get consoles.. assuming they get the good third party games that little johnny wants, come Christmas they will sell massive imo.

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 03:26PM

https://gamerant.com/playstation-3-sales-80-million/ 3 years ago

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 03:28PM

There's a lot of things to criticise about the Switch and the presentation in fact. But some people would have criticised it no matter what. I don't like the term troll cos its dumb, but truly. The presentation could have been perfect, it could have 3rd party support coming out of its ear, it could be cheaper, and some people just would be set against it before they'd even played it.

The 3DS had a bad start, and a bad launch line up. But now its sold 61 million according to google, not too shabby.

They should have had Pokemon at the presentation. Have pokemon for launch in fact. This is the first portable console in fact, with no pokemon game playable on it at launch!

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 03:29PM

Home game consoles
Platform Firm Units sold
Wii Nintendo 101.63 million
Xbox 360 Microsoft 84 million
PlayStation 3 Sony >83.8 million
Nintendo Entertainment System Nintendo 61.91 million

Not a huge success mr atari jaguar?

(irony!)

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 03:30PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

There's a lot of things to criticise about the Switch and the presentation in fact. But some people would have criticised it no matter what. I don't like the term troll cos its dumb, but truly. The presentation could have been perfect, it could have 3rd party support coming out of its ear, it could be cheaper, and some people just would be set against it before they'd even played it.

It could have had a single solid exclusive game.

Atari Jaguar · 14-01-2017 03:31PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Home game consoles
Platform Firm Units sold
Wii Nintendo 101.63 million
Xbox 360 Microsoft 84 million
PlayStation 3 Sony >83.8 million
Nintendo Entertainment System Nintendo 61.91 million

Not a huge success mr atari jaguar? (irony!)

Pressed post before I finished typing

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 03:32PM

PS3 exclusive solid games? PS4, PSP, 360, Xbox One? Wii, DS?

The only recent console I remember having a solid stand out launch line up was the vita, and look how that turned out.

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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