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CES AI & Home Automation

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  • #32
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    rolion wrote: »
    Im reading twice the above posts and dunno why but i'm worried about the future ... who i'm I !?

    Santa!!?


  • #33
    bk
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    I hope that there will be some kind of standardisation in all this as I was reading an article that they think that you'll have different AI for different tasks, Alexa for buying Google for news/weather and something else etc. I'm interested but don't want to end up with a Betamax or Laser Disc.

    Bull, I've both GHome and Alexa and they both largely do the same things. They have pros and cons but for the moment they are almost interchangeable.

    I've never once ordered anything with Alexa. It gets mostly used for playing music via spotify and controlling HA tech, exactly the same for GHome.
    Del2005 wrote: »
    If Apple will "invent" AI for the masses it'll be its usual less capable system but better advertising.

    Apple already did, it is called Siri and it was one of the first voice controllable AI's.

    Apple have also been working on the HomeKit standard. While there are pros and cons to these sort of things, HomeKit by far has the best security and some of the best reliability of any HA tech.
    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Your cheapest time to do the washing up is nighttime. You have to be there to load and unload. No cloud required.

    Only if you have a night rate meter, which most homes don't.

    Also the Irish Electricity Regulator is currently holding a consultation to scrap night rate meters and instead replace them with smart meters with dynamic pricing based on either 15 or 30 minute slots.

    This is due to changes in how the grid operates, with more people charging Electric Vehicles at night and more and more renewable generation sources such as wind and solar which are far more variable.

    As a result it is expected that every electricity meter in Ireland will be replaced by a new smart meter.

    It would then make a lot of sense for your smart washing machine and dishwasher to only switch on when the smart meter tells them electricity is at it's cheapest prices. Even fridge/freezers could adjust they cooling cycles to match cheaper times.

    Even without this, I'd still like to have a smart washing machine. I could load it in the morning before going to work and then turn it on remotely 2 hours before I come home from work. So it would just be finishing before I come home. Much better then putting on the washing machine as I leave and thus leave the washing sitting their damp for hours.


  • #34
    mossym
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    bk wrote: »

    Even without this, I'd still like to have a smart washing machine. I could load it in the morning before going to work and then turn it on remotely 2 hours before I come home from work. So it would just be finishing before I come home. Much better then putting on the washing machine as I leave and thus leave the washing sitting their damp for hours.

    i've slightly different goals, i want mine to come on when it detects me leaving the house and my wife coming home.

    that what she'll have to empty the bl**dy thing :)

    joking aside, the varying energy cost model a good example of the difference between simply having something connected versus the benefits of controlled via automation.


  • #35
    Stoner
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    mossym wrote:
    joking aside, the varying energy cost model a good example of the difference between simply having something connected versus the benefits of controlled via automation.

    True , and in the future there may be a time band for using certain electronic devices from the grid anyway , maybe only a quick wash would be allowed at certain times.


  • #36
    mossym
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    Stoner wrote: »
    True , and in the future there may be a time band for using certain electronic devices from the grid anyway , maybe only a quick wash would be allowed at certain times.

    i remember having this conversation with someone before about smart homes, not exactly the same lines, but this reminds me of one of the ideas we banded about, was of a max limit on your energy draw from the grid. it would be smart controlled, so instead of certain times you could use things your house would schedule discretionary usage, washing machines for example to times when your usage was low, usually night for most people, but perhaps not. if you were going over a limit then it would pause some items until your draw dropped again .

    the idea being that by guaranteeing a max draw from your house you got a cheaper rate by allowing better forecasting for the suppliers. there is a bundle of issues that would need to be figured out but it's jsut an example of what is possible


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  • #37
    bk
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    I don't think we will get to a stage where usage at certain times is completely banned * just that turning at the washing machine at 6pm would cost you 10 times what it would at 3am.

    * It could certainly happen in other countries with less well developed electric grids, doubt it will happen in Ireland or most western nations.


  • #38
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    mossym wrote: »
    i remember having this conversation with someone before about smart homes, not exactly the same lines, but this reminds me of one of the ideas we banded about, was of a max limit on your energy draw from the grid. it would be smart controlled, so instead of certain times you could use things your house would schedule discretionary usage, washing machines for example to times when your usage was low, usually night for most people, but perhaps not. if you were going over a limit then it would pause some items until your draw dropped again .

    the idea being that by guaranteeing a max draw from your house you got a cheaper rate by allowing better forecasting for the suppliers. there is a bundle of issues that would need to be figured out but it's jsut an example of what is possible


    When you look at the above, and the last few posts, it is by far the one of the most compelling reasons for having smart appliances, to effectively manage the load of the national network, and reduce the overall requirement for power generation. And this can be implemented without major infrastructural changes, its not a massive upgrade to the grid, its lots of minor upgrades to the end devices.

    Large corporate customers already operator on the basis of varied price ranges, ie, the purcchase power at different rates going forward. I remember talking to a guy who showed me some analysis of a few high power users where he effectviely event out the power usage to a more linear usage pattern, and removed spikes of usage. It is removing those spikes which will have one of the most dramatic effects to overall power generation, as the power is generated based on the peak load, so if you can spread it, and reduce the peaks, then you can actually reduce the need to have power stations. He said that there are power stations in this country present just to allow people boil their kettle during the add break on coronation street (tongue in cheek comment, but the point was relevent).

    In the US, there are companies which pay you to install their thermostats on your premises whcih they can adjus remotely. The power companies contact them when the network is reaching near breaking point, and then the drop the AC on thousands of premises by a deg or two to reduce the load on the network suffeceintly to reduce the load (and get paid handsomely for doing it I imagine)


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