Istanbul Nightclub attack New Years Eve

FTA69 · 01-01-2017 09:10PM

Yes it's very sad that often deaths in different places get different coverage but there you go. First of all, news is a business nowadays and the media well "sell" whatever it is people want to hear or what suits the media owner's agenda.

However, even aside from that, it's only natural that an attack in France a close neighbour, peaceful country and EU partner with long-standing links to Ireland will be viewed at in more depth than that of one in Turkey - a country with frequent terrorist attacks that is situated in a volatile region bordering two warzones. Sure as someone pointed out, a similar amount died in Iraq on the same day but that barely made the news. The said fact being bombs in Baghdad aren't exactly news anymore after a decade of it.

A more local example would be a car crash in Cork killing 3 people will be front page of the Evening Echo, page 4 in the Irish Examiner, maybe mid pages of the Independent and not mentioned at all in the British ones. The more local it is (figuratively and geographically) the more people will respond to it.

Pretending death in news is a zero sum game is a bit disingenuous to be honest.

wakka12 · 01-01-2017 09:15PM

Turkey seems to be having a rough time of late with terror attacks. Thats the second high fatality terrorist attack in less than a month and there was also a recent assassination of a foreign ambassador.

RIP.

01-01-2017 09:17PM

There have been terrorist attacks for many many years in Turkey.
Wasn't there an Irish girl killed/caught up in a bomb in kusadasi about ten years ago?
They have their own PKK terrorist organisation for many years.
Why do most posters on here think it's only now there's a problem?
Why is it worse if people Of The Muslim faith are the attackers?

wakka12 · 01-01-2017 09:17PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

25,000 armed police on the streets of Istanbul tonight and it still happened. This is what we are dealing with now.

No matter how many police are patrolling its just impossible to stop things like this, lone wolf attacks. Police cannot monitor entire cities
Obviously it helps but the next best thing I think they can do is putting up concrete blockades at crowd events to stop any truck/car/ramming attacks such as in Berlin and Nice

wakka12 · 01-01-2017 09:20PM

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-teenager-19-killed-in-istanbul-nightclub-attack/

19 year old israeli killed at the club, I'm sure most of the victims were teens/early twenties. Whatever their motive is how can the killing of teenagers celebrating new years eve possibly justify whatever their twisted motive is

wakka12 · 01-01-2017 09:23PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Horrible tragedy. Isn't it weird that no one really cares that much when it's in Turkey, but attacks in France and Germany garner much more shock and comment from us in Ireland and UK etc? I guess it's just because we don't see Turks as being much like us at all.

True. Berlin attack thread has been ongoing on AH since the attack. This thread will be buried by late tonight, despite quadruple the casualties

Dr Crayfish · 01-01-2017 09:28PM

wakka12 wrote: »

True. Berlin attack thread has been ongoing on AH since the attack. This thread will be buried by late tonight, despite quadruple the casualties

I wonder what it was like during WW2. Like if we saw a load of white babies in France now being bombed out of their homes, I would imagine the people of Ireland etc would be offering up their homes to house these children, I really think we would. But with Syria? Meh. Or maybe we didn't feel as connected back then. I barely have any interest in this Turkey story, I've glanced at a few headlines, but if it was in France or Germany I'd be spending the evening reading everything about it and keeping on top of the story.

A Little Pony · 01-01-2017 09:34PM

Oh if only for another Alexander to sort them out.

Dr Crayfish · 01-01-2017 09:40PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I wonder what it was like during WW2. Like if we saw a load of white babies in France now being bombed out of their homes, I would imagine the people of Ireland etc would be offering up their homes to house these children, I really think we would. But with Syria? Meh. Or maybe we didn't feel as connected back then. I barely have any interest in this Turkey story, I've glanced at a few headlines, but if it was in France or Germany I'd be spending the evening reading everything about it and keeping on top of the story.

Which makes me wonder why Saudi Arabia and other super rich gulf nations are doing absolutely nothing to help Syrian refugees. Shocking.

deaddonkey15 · 01-01-2017 09:50PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Horrible tragedy. Isn't it weird that no one really cares that much when it's in Turkey, but attacks in France and Germany garner much more shock and comment from us in Ireland and UK etc? I guess it's just because we don't see Turks as being much like us at all.

There's always one.

Dr Crayfish · 01-01-2017 09:52PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

There's always one.

Always one what? One person who points out that we're more likely to care about our neighbours and those similar to us culturally? There's always one of those? Really? In all situations?

Mouseslayer17 · 01-01-2017 09:54PM

Now I have a machine gun ho-ho-ho.

Mod-Banned

Collie D · 01-01-2017 10:05PM

Mouseslayer17 wrote: »

Now I have a machine gun ho-ho-ho

Lovely

deaddonkey15 · 01-01-2017 10:11PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Always one what? One person who points out that we're more likely to care about our neighbours and those similar to us culturally? There's always one of those? Really? In all situations?

My mistake, your post came across as sarcastic to me.

wildgreen · 01-01-2017 10:22PM

getzls wrote: »

Those pesky Asians at it again.
Or are we now allowed to say the followers of Muhammad did this.
As per intrustions from their most perfect man?
Peace be upon you.

This killer seems different given the security checks he got through, the disguises, and getting away afterwards. Maybe he was a professional military person?

Turkish police now saying he is a member of ISIS and have issued a clear face image: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkey-terror-attack-live-updates-9544682

Fleawuss · 01-01-2017 10:57PM

wildgreen wrote: »

This killer seems different given the security checks he got through, the disguises, and getting away afterwards. Maybe he was a professional military person sent to punish Turkey for working with Russia?

Maybe a black flag operation to cement the new found relationship.

Strange how they can identify him as a member of ISIS. Almost like they already knew him.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 01-01-2017 11:43PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Horrible tragedy. Isn't it weird that no one really cares that much when it's in Turkey, but attacks in France and Germany garner much more shock and comment from us in Ireland and UK etc? I guess it's just because we don't see Turks as being much like us at all.

wakka12 wrote: »

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-teenager-19-killed-in-istanbul-nightclub-attack/

19 year old israeli killed at the club, I'm sure most of the victims were teens/early twenties. Whatever their motive is how can the killing of teenagers celebrating new years eve possibly justify whatever their twisted motive is

Germany and France are much closer to home so people can relate more. I imagine people in Ireland/UK have more ties with Germany and France than they do with Turkey.

enzo roco · 02-01-2017 12:03AM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Isn't it weird that no one really cares that much when it's in Turkey, but attacks in France and Germany garner much more shock and comment from us in Ireland and UK etc? I guess it's just because we don't see Turks as being much like us at all.

You say "us", in Ireland and the UK, you pair us together. Thats because we are neighbours, friendly and have many things in common, culture etc. Similarly with Germany and France, and other european nations...
But turkey, no we dont see turks as being much like us at all. Stop moaning about Irish people not feeling more shock and comment on this awful event.

We dont have shock and comment on tragedies in other countries around the world either. And thats the way it is, its not weird.

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 12:07AM

Linda Loud Actor wrote: »

Germany and France are much closer to home so people can relate more. I imagine people in Ireland/UK have more ties with Germany and France than they do with Turkey.

I think a much bigger factor is how much more common mass murder and bombings are in that region than places like France and Germany where the murder rates are lowest in the world

Dr Crayfish · 02-01-2017 03:45PM

ISIS have claimed responsibility

take everything · 02-01-2017 04:42PM

This guy remains at large after killing 39 people.
That's shocking.
It shows how organised and prepared these fcukers are, killing masses of people with impunity. Is this becoming more common, them not killing themselves.

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 05:01PM

take everything wrote: »

This guy remains at large after killing 39 people.
That's shocking.
It shows how organised and prepared these fcukers are, killing masses of people with impunity. Is this becoming more common, them not killing themselves.

Creates more 'terror' if the community knows a mass murderer is still on the loose in their city

Spanish Eyes · 02-01-2017 05:08PM

Sad for all who died. Sadder still is the fact that because it happened in Turkey, not much sympathy, empathy or publicity really from EU or this side of the world.

But I suppose this atrocity happened at a time when news media etc. were in wind down really, and most people were out enjoying themselves all over the world aswell.

So the obvious question is..... why NYE?

Even the attacks on women in Cologne last year didn't surface for weeks.

At least THIS time Sultan Erdogan can't blame it on the Kurds or Gulen. That's his default position. Has he made a statement yet?

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 05:57PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sad for all who died. Sadder still is the fact that because it happened in Turkey, not much sympathy, empathy or publicity really from EU or this side of the world.

But I suppose this atrocity happened at a time when news media etc. were in wind down really, and most people were out enjoying themselves all over the world aswell.

So the obvious question is..... why NYE?

Even the attacks on women in Cologne last year didn't surface for weeks.

At least THIS time Sultan Erdogan can't blame it on the Kurds or Gulen. That's his default position. Has he made a statement yet?

Lots of the victims were European though, Belgian, French, German etc. So I don't get why that stops publicity just because it happened in Turkey.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-blast-idUSKCN0UQ0UJ20160113

Last January a dozen german tourists were murdered while holidaying in Turkey and I remember there being extremely little publcity over the incident. Compare that with he dozen germans killed in the Berlin maket attack which received massive publicity. So I think its more about geographic location of the incident than the colour of the victim's skin

allthedoyles · 02-01-2017 10:35PM

Here is the propaganda :

The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attack, describing the gunman as a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast".

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/istanbul-police-begin-operation-linked-to-nightclub-attack-770762.html

learn_more · 02-01-2017 11:28PM

Your Face wrote: »

Outrage-**** material.
Like anyone really cares.

I care. I lived in Istanbul for a couple of years when I was with my partner there. I am more concerned about what is happening in Turkey than I am about what happened in Paris/France. There wasn't a jot of trouble in Turkey when I lived there.

I found the Istanbul/Turkish people to be really nice people and I'm very sad for all the events that occurred there in the last years including the coop.

I'm desperately concerned about the fact ISIS is so close to Turkey and they wan't to target Istanbul is particular which I guess is more of a target for them as it's on the European side and the culture is quite westernised. Which is exactly the kinds of people they want to attack. Istanbul is prolly an easier target for them than a european city, certainly in terms of getting away with it.

I was disgusted to see some Turkish muslim cleric complain about people celebrating NYE. As if to give some legitimacy to the attack. Apparently some muslims are so ignorant that they think that NYE celebrations are actually xmas celebrations. How ignorant is that, they have been using the same calendar as us for centuries.

Since Erdogan came to power the country seems to have regressed which I'm so sorry to see. When I lived in Istanbul I was all for Turkey joining the EU but now I'd dead set against it.

So @YourFace, some people do care, a lot.

old_aussie · 02-01-2017 11:54PM

LEGAL ACTION AGAINST ATTACK SUPPORTERS.

Just start low dropping these cnuts.

Low drop all terrorists and low drop everyone who supports them, family friends, the lot of them!

A criminal complaint has been filed against people who used social media to praise the deadly New Year’s attack at a nightclub in Istanbul, as well as against several people who demonised the New Year celebration or threatened attacks.

The Turkish Bar Association filed a criminal complaint with the Ankara Chief Public Prosecutor’s office on Monday, calling for the investigation and prosecution of those who praised the gun attack which killed 39 and injured dozens.

Some social media users praised the killings and condemned the night’s celebration on religious grounds.

The complaint also called for prosecution of a school administrator who banned New Year’s celebrations, those responsible for protests or banners depicting violence against Santa Claus, as well as a newspaper which published threatening headlines.

wildgreen · 03-01-2017 12:15AM

old_aussie wrote: »

Just start low dropping these cnuts.

which cnuts? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-18/australian-jets-involved-in-botched-air-strike-on-syrian-army/7855610

ChikiChiki · 05-01-2017 11:11PM

Surprised at the lack of attention this is getting and not even a week has passed. The below article makes from the Journal makes it all very human. People of different nationality, colour and religion gunned down as they enjoyed a night out.

http://jrnl.ie/3171858

I couldn't imagine the fear of the people in such a position. Terrifying.

Goya · 05-01-2017 11:14PM

learn_more wrote: »

I care. I lived in Istanbul for a couple of years when I was with my partner there. I am more concerned about what is happening in Turkey than I am about what happened in Paris/France. There wasn't a jot of trouble in Turkey when I lived there.

I found the Istanbul/Turkish people to be really nice people and I'm very sad for all the events that occurred there in the last years including the coop.

I'm desperately concerned about the fact ISIS is so close to Turkey and they wan't to target Istanbul is particular which I guess is more of a target for them as it's on the European side and the culture is quite westernised. Which is exactly the kinds of people they want to attack. Istanbul is prolly an easier target for them than a european city, certainly in terms of getting away with it.

I was disgusted to see some Turkish muslim cleric complain about people celebrating NYE. As if to give some legitimacy to the attack. Apparently some muslims are so ignorant that they think that NYE celebrations are actually xmas celebrations. How ignorant is that, they have been using the same calendar as us for centuries.

Since Erdogan came to power the country seems to have regressed which I'm so sorry to see. When I lived in Istanbul I was all for Turkey joining the EU but now I'd dead set against it.

So @YourFace, some people do care, a lot.

"Who cares?" means "I don't care, therefore nobody else possibly could". Self centred and arrogant.

This attack is getting media coverage here but not as much as it would if it occurred in the west, because I would assume: geographical/cultural proximity. It's likely receiving more coverage in its region and surrounds than an attack in the west would, which is totally fair enough.

Istanbul Nightclub attack New Years Eve

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