Eir rural FTTH thread

KOR101 · 30-12-2016 07:27PM

A game of chess which EIR seem to be playing quite well really. The other consideration is that they do appear to have made a sizeable investment in rural areas while stopping short of actually making connections and thereby losing potential subsidies. This changes the commercial equation. Business decisions are made on the basis of future costs versus future benefits, and costs already incurred are considered 'sunk costs' in an economic sense. In rural areas where they have already spent a lot of money, there is almost certainly a strong business case now to finish the job, even without subsidies.

Gonzo · 30-12-2016 07:54PM

This game that Eir is playing is a win for the customer hopefully, if it wasn't for this game everyone of us would be waiting till sometime 2018 for a start and the NBP would take at least 2 years longer to complete. 302,000 out of 700,000+ rural premises passable by end of 2018 is a very sizable chunk of the rural/urban divide fixed. It's possible that many people on the blue lines could be seeing FTTH at least 5 years earlier than waiting sometime between 2018-2023.

Theres another 150,000 approx premises in urban areas which will now be covered by the NBP, pity those areas should have had decent broadband at this stage, hopefully those areas will get seen to as soon as possible.

Johnboy1951 · 30-12-2016 08:06PM

Gonzo wrote: »

This game that Eir is playing is a win for the customer hopefully, if it wasn't for this game everyone of us would be waiting till sometime 2018 for a start and the NBP would take at least 2 years longer to complete. 302,000 out of 700,000+ rural premises passable by end of 2018 is a very sizable chunk of the rural/urban divide fixed. It's possible that many people on the blue lines could be seeing FTTH at least 5 years earlier than waiting sometime between 2018-2023.

Theres another 150,000 approx premises in urban areas which will now be covered by the NBP, pity those areas should have had decent broadband at this stage, hopefully those areas will get seen to as soon as possible.

Those Urban premises must be a better option for commercial roll out than one-off housing on the outskirts of villages.
I expect if anyone wished to properly compete (commercially) with eir they could have chosen those urban clusters for a roll out.

Gonzo · 30-12-2016 08:16PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Those Urban premises must be a better option for commercial roll out than one-off housing on the outskirts of villages.
I expect if anyone wished to properly compete (commercially) with eir they could have chosen those urban clusters for a roll out.

I wonder where these urban areas are? Isn't all of Dublin City and much of the Dublin Suburbs already well covered by Virgin Media?

30-12-2016 11:02PM

It can't come soon enough!
Starting to get this more and more often.

Jpmarn · 31-12-2016 01:51PM

Has there be any activity relating to the rollout of FTTH any where in co. Limerick? Don't see anything happening in my exchange area of Inch St. Lawernce. We are due a rollout by mid 2017.

oleras · 31-12-2016 02:58PM

Jpmarn wrote: »

Has there be any activity relating to the rollout of FTTH any where in co. Limerick? Don't see anything happening in my exchange area of Inch St. Lawernce. We are due a rollout by mid 2017.

Im on the Patrickswell line and there was a few manholes opened and black cable pushed through around 6 weeks ago, nothing since.

Radio_Man · 01-01-2017 11:22PM

No Move on FTTH in Inch St. Lawernce so far, as yet. Lets see what 2017 brings. However they have been doing tree cutting in Murroe, Locals say it was for the placement of the fiber cables. Also fiber cables are now in place in the castleconnell area.

If Eir could let people know what the plans are, like they did with FTTC IE 3 Months, 6 Months etc.

Has anyone gone live with the product yet?

The Cush · 02-01-2017 01:45AM

Radio_Man wrote: »

However they have been doing tree cutting in Murroe, Locals say it was for the placement of the fiber cables.

I live in the area and haven't seen any evidence of this other than selective landowners doing their annual hedge cutting.

Grumpypants · 02-01-2017 04:56PM

Been out and about in Kinvara over the Christmas and saw a lot of the the prep work all over the town, which looks more or less done. Lots of new manholes with rolls of ducting/cable sticking out of them at the base of poles and all the hedges cut. Even a few new poles have been installed.

Lots of new cabling and weird boxes on the way into town where the main fiber cable will run along. It needs to come from two towns over to get here.

It is good to see so much got done in around two-three weeks of work. Hopefully the keep this momentum up and get the fiber rolled out in the next few months. Fingers crossed they are not too far off the March deadline.

Gonzo · 02-01-2017 05:03PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Been out and about in Kinvara over the Christmas and saw a lot of the the prep work all over the town, which looks more or less done. Lots of new manholes with rolls of ducting/cable sticking out of them at the base of poles and all the hedges cut. Even a few new poles have been installed.

Lots of new cabling and weird boxes on the way into town where the main fiber cable will run along. It needs to come from two towns over to get here.

It is good to see so much got done in around two-three weeks of work. Hopefully the keep this momentum up and get the fiber rolled out in the next few months. Fingers crossed they are not too far off the March deadline.

serious effort was put in the 6 weeks leading upto Christmas, a continuation of that sort of momentum would see Open Eir back on track and on schedule within 3-6 months, maybe less.

ratracer · 02-01-2017 05:14PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Been out and about in Kinvara over the Christmas and saw a lot of the the prep work all over the town, which looks more or less done. Lots of new manholes with rolls of ducting/cable sticking out of them at the base of poles and all the hedges cut. Even a few new poles have been installed.

Lots of new cabling and weird boxes on the way into town where the main fiber cable will run along. It needs to come from two towns over to get here.

It is good to see so much got done in around two-three weeks of work. Hopefully the keep this momentum up and get the fiber rolled out in the next few months. Fingers crossed they are not too far off the March deadline.

It really can't come soon enough!! I've had an Xbox game downloading for 26 hrs now and it's still only 70% done

digiman · 02-01-2017 07:06PM

Gonzo wrote: »

serious effort was put in the 6 weeks leading upto Christmas, a continuation of that sort of momentum would see Open Eir back on track and on schedule within 3-6 months, maybe less.

Sorry, but please back up these claims with some numbers. As you can't say that they will be back on track and on schedule otherwise from your view of being a customer in just one town. Either you have inside knowledge on it or else I sometimes wonder if I'm the one missing something really obvious here or are people so easily manipulated by Eir and their propaganda machine?

Some basics at least...

How many crews worked in your town?
How long did it take to complete the town?
How many FTTH eligible premises in the town and how many of these were completed?
How many km of cable overhead and ducted in the town?
How long from first works to being able to order a service.
How may towns/villages are they working on concurrently?

Now let's put try and put a small bit of science on it and figure out what would be required to do the 100k by March and the 300k by Dec 2018.

Otherwise you are just talking nonsense (saying that in nicest possible way)

:D

02-01-2017 07:29PM

digiman wrote: »

Sorry, but please back up these claims with some numbers. As you can't say that they will be back on track and on schedule otherwise from your view of being a customer in just one town. Either you have inside knowledge on it or else I sometimes wonder if I'm the one missing something really obvious here or are people so easily manipulated by Eir and their propaganda machine?

Some basics at least...

How many crews worked in your town?
How long did it take to complete the town?
How many FTTH eligible premises in the town and how many of these were completed?
How many km of cable overhead and ducted in the town?
How long from first works to being able to order a service.
How may towns/villages are they working on concurrently?

Now let's put try and put a small bit of science on it and figure out what would be required to do the 100k by March and the 300k by Dec 2018.

Otherwise you are just talking nonsense (saying that in nicest possible way) :D

You do realise that the only people who could provide any of those answers are the contractor's project management team, information from any other source would be speculative at best.

digiman · 02-01-2017 07:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You do realise that the only people who could provide any of those answers are the contractor's project management team, information from any other source would be speculative at best.

To be honest, it's my exact point. How can people on here say that the rollout will be back on track and on schedule without knowing this information? It's pure nonsense otherwise to say this and it's said multiple times in this thread in last few weeks.

Gonzo · 02-01-2017 07:43PM

digiman wrote: »

Sorry, but please back up these claims with some numbers. As you can't say that they will be back on track and on schedule otherwise from your view of being a customer in just one town. Either you have inside knowledge on it or else I sometimes wonder if I'm the one missing something really obvious here or are people so easily manipulated by Eir and their propaganda machine?

Some basics at least...

How many crews worked in your town?
How long did it take to complete the town?
How many FTTH eligible premises in the town and how many of these were completed?
How many km of cable overhead and ducted in the town?
How long from first works to being able to order a service.
How may towns/villages are they working on concurrently?

Now let's put try and put a small bit of science on it and figure out what would be required to do the 100k by March and the 300k by Dec 2018.

Otherwise you are just talking nonsense (saying that in nicest possible way) :D

I don't have any of that information, and nobody else here does either. I'm trying to look positively on the whole rollout after the initial very slow start.

What I'm judging it on is what I've seen. Up to the end of October there was very little signs of anything happening, at least here in Meath. There was also very little talk here from other areas of work happening. Over the past 6 weeks I've seen plenty of work happening and it's happening quickly.

They seem to be working 7 days a week instead of 5.

Over the past month I've seen them work near the Tara exchange routes, Trim, Navan and near Clonee as well as my own area. There has also been more frequent reports here from around the country of work taking place.

The first 100k are unlikely to be done by March but with a far bigger visual presence recently, I am expecting them to make much more ground over the next 6 months.

The FTTC rollout also seemed to follow a familiar patter, it started off slowly, some areas got delayed but in the end they made their end goal on time.

It's better to look at this positively, rather than negatively saying nothing is happening. Let's see where we will be by next June, many exchanges are down for early/mid 2017 which is end of June at the latest.

Johnboy1951 · 02-01-2017 08:36PM

digiman wrote: »

To be honest, it's my exact point. How can people on here say that the rollout will be back on track and on schedule without knowing this information? It's pure nonsense otherwise to say this and it's said multiple times in this thread in last few weeks.

Indeed ....... it might be that the roll out was never off track!

None of us have sufficient information to make that call.

pegasus1 · 02-01-2017 09:22PM

Like any cabling job.
1st stage - planning...
2nd stage - making routes...
3rd stage - running the cable...
3th stage - terminating customer end of cable ...
4th stage - terminating other end of cable...
5th stage - testing...

longest stages are 1st and 2nd.

02-01-2017 09:35PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Like any cabling job.
1st stage - planning...
2nd stage - making routes...
3rd stage - running the cable...
3th stage - terminating customer end of cable ...
4th stage - terminating other end of cable...
5th stage - testing...

longest stages are 1st and 2nd.

You missed out a couple of critical steps, terminating trunk links and connecting the multiple strands of fibre in the infrastructure, these are both major tasks.
these sit between 3 & 4 on your list.
In this area steps 1-3 are done.

ED E · 02-01-2017 09:48PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Like any cabling job.
1st stage - planning...
2nd stage - making routes...
3rd stage - running the cable...
3th stage - terminating customer end of cable ...
4th stage - terminating other end of cable...
5th stage - testing...

Out of order bruv. Consumer end won't be terminated until the appointment stage. Appointments are the longest part after the replacement of bad plant(poles).

digiman · 02-01-2017 09:51PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Like any cabling job.
1st stage - planning...
2nd stage - making routes...
3rd stage - running the cable...
3th stage - terminating customer end of cable ...
4th stage - terminating other end of cable...
5th stage - testing...

longest stages are 1st and 2nd.

Also missing internal handovers of documentation and synchronisation of all their internal databases and acceptance by operational teams. I would say this would take at least a month for any particular area.

Grumpypants · 03-01-2017 02:52PM

digiman wrote: »

Sorry, but please back up these claims with some numbers. As you can't say that they will be back on track and on schedule otherwise from your view of being a customer in just one town. Either you have inside knowledge on it or else I sometimes wonder if I'm the one missing something really obvious here or are people so easily manipulated by Eir and their propaganda machine?

Some basics at least...

How many crews worked in your town?
How long did it take to complete the town?
How many FTTH eligible premises in the town and how many of these were completed?
How many km of cable overhead and ducted in the town?
How long from first works to being able to order a service.
How may towns/villages are they working on concurrently?

Now let's put try and put a small bit of science on it and figure out what would be required to do the 100k by March and the 300k by Dec 2018.

Otherwise you are just talking nonsense (saying that in nicest possible way) :D

We like to get ourselves all worked up with excitement at the possibility of finally getting fiber only to have it shot down in flames by an Eir update and we then can go overboard with the bitching and moaning about it until the next time we get a glimmer of hope and instantly go way overboard again

I still remember this time last year when the roll out map updated to say Fiber in 6 weeks. Good times.

Gonzo · 04-01-2017 12:02PM

Quigleys Point goes live for FTTH today.
Carnmore also goes live today but I think that is FTTC only.

KeRbDoG · 04-01-2017 01:47PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Quigleys Point goes live for FTTH today.
Carnmore also goes live today but I think that is FTTC only.

How do you get this info? Is it on the OpenEir/Eir site?

Gonzo · 04-01-2017 01:59PM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

How do you get this info? Is it on the OpenEir/Eir site?

it's on the Open Eir map, presuming that it is correct!

knipex · 04-01-2017 05:57PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

It all points to the fact that they cannot be trusted. 66 towns were to get FTTH, they didn't. 100K premises were to get FTTH by March 2017. It is highly unlikely that will happen. Now we are to take them at face value about 300K by 2018.

I am on a blue line and on the first 100K. Was showing as fall 2016, then winter 2016 \ 2017 and now early to mid 2017. Not going to happen by March and I would be shocked if they get 50% done by March.

Gonzo · 04-01-2017 06:08PM

knipex wrote: »

I am on a blue line and on the first 100K. Was showing as fall 2016, then winter 2016 \ 2017 and now early to mid 2017. Not going to happen by March and I would be shocked if they get 50% done by March.

They have dropped all mentions of first 100k and March. Their end goal is now all 300k completed by end of December 2018 at a rate of approx 36,000 every quarter. Most exchanges originally to be completed by March 2017 are planned to be finished by mid 2017, some were moved to end of 2017. Some exchanges are at least a year behind schedule due to the very slow start during 2016.

We are all hoping that progress this year will be much faster and on time, it kinda has to be if they are to reach their target Dec 2018.

marno21 · 04-01-2017 06:11PM

Gonzo wrote: »

They have dropped all mentions of first 100k and March. Their end goal is now all 300k completed by end of December 2018 at a rate of approx 36,000 every quarter. Most exchanges originally to be completed by March 2017 are planned to be finished by mid 2017, some were moved to end of 2017. Some exchanges are at least a year behind schedule due to the very slow start during 2016.

We are all hoping that progress this will year will be much faster and on time, it kinda has to be if they are to reach their target Dec 2018.

Have they said themselves they will be doing 36,000 per quarter?

With a rollout like this, and all the factors invovled, they won't be doing it steadily. It'll come in bursts, especially towards the end when half the forum is giving out about them not meeting their targets.

Gonzo · 04-01-2017 06:14PM

marno21 wrote: »

Have they said themselves they will be doing 36,000 per quarter?

With a rollout like this, and all the factors invovled, they won't be doing it steadily. It'll come in bursts, especially towards the end when half the forum is giving out about them not meeting their targets.

just rechecked, they mentioned 35k per quarter in the interview link below if it is to be believed.

“We need to be delivering 35,000 a quarter and we are ramping up to that, but it is a huge job."

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/open-eir-interview-carol-lennon-rural-fibre

Shyboy · 04-01-2017 06:19PM

So my FTTH saga goes on. After our exchange in Turloughmore, County Galway went live on 28th Dec (although I think it really went live earlier this week), Eir kept on telling me that it is not available on my line as yet.

So, I talk to a few neighbours who have been able to order it from Eir and I call Eir back. They now tell me that, yes, FTTH is available in my area but unfortunately, my line is not passing on their system for it, even though both houses either side of me are?

Does Eir still run a line prequal test on lines every so often, and by any chance do I have to wait for that to update?

:mad:

Eir rural FTTH thread

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