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El Presidente Trump

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  • #7352
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    gosplan wrote: »
    I don't think so.

    Not because of any bias or because I don't like the idea or anything.

    I just think inexperience will catch up with him.

    Like if you appointed him general manager of a sports team. He'd have a few great ideas and do one or two positive things but his inability to just deal with the day to day things will catch up with him IMO. Similarly to how a sports team works, the machinery of government isn't just something you can assume you'll be fine at.

    Trump exploited the system like a pro and got himself elected brilliantly.

    I just think that running things is going to prove a lot harder for him.

    Also, as regards those around him it's always the case that when fringe elements, the protest lot etc, get elected, they have a tough time when they're in because great changes and grand gestures have nothing to do with the realpolitick. Trumps group has a lot of fringe to it (no pun intended)

    The other thing is that there a nuance to the role that he has probably never experienced.

    He's basically been emperor for years. You impressed Trump, did exactly what he wanted or you're fired. This seemed to be the same On his campaign too.

    But now he needs people genuinely onside or he accomplishes nothing.

    That's going to be a lot harder with elected representatives than it was with people he directly employed.

    I'd expect a lot of Republicians to turn into Healy-Raes over the next few years making plenty of deals that will benefit them locally in return for national compliance.

    Overall, I think Trump is going to find it astonishing how hard it is to get anything actually done.


  • #7353
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    And... and I'll shut up now.

    One guaranteed thing is that in four years whoever is running against Trump will be able to say 'the top 1% are X richer because we put the top 1% in the whitehouse'

    The disaffected rust belt people that voted for him will need to see a lot of change quickly or they'll recast him as the enemy fairly easily.


  • #7354
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    gosplan wrote: »
    The disaffected rust belt people that voted for him will need to see a lot of change quickly or they'll recast him as the enemy fairly easily.

    Well in the first few months the first thing they're going to notice is that their healthcare is going away.

    Then they'll find that the retirement age is being raised to 69.

    It's more than likely as well that trump will fulfil a long held GOP plan to tie old age pensions to the stock market. A huge benefit for those goldman sachs bankers in trumps administration.


  • #7355
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Mods? Can you delete this duplicate reply? I can edit but can't delete.


  • #7356
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    gosplan wrote: »
    ebbsy wrote: »
    Either way there will be 8 years of him followed by perhaps 8 years of his son.

    I don't think so.

    Not because of any bias or because I don't like the idea or anything.

    I just think inexperience will catch up with him.

    Like if you appointed him general manager of a sports team. He'd have a few great ideas and do one or two positive things but his inability to just deal with the day to day things will catch up with him IMO. Similarly to how a sports team works, the machinery of government isn't just something you can assume you'll be fine at.

    Trump exploited the system like a pro and got himself elected brilliantly.

    I just think that running things is going to prove a lot harder for him.

    Also, as regards those around him it's always the case that when fringe elements, the protest lot etc, get elected, they have a tough time when they're in because great changes and grand gestures have nothing to do with the realpolitick. Trumps group has a lot of fringe to it (no pun intended)

    Good post.


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  • #7357
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He will prove a lot of people wrong, I think he will be a great President and not like what people think.

    He's currently focusing on idiotic tweets in his honeymoon period.... I'm pretty confident that Donald will be no Caesar, I'm doubtful that he'll go 4 years without being impeached.


  • #7358
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    gosplan wrote: »
    And... and I'll shut up now.

    One guaranteed thing is that in four years whoever is running against Trump will be able to say 'the top 1% are X richer because we put the top 1% in the whitehouse'

    The disaffected rust belt people that voted for him will need to see a lot of change quickly or they'll recast him as the enemy fairly easily.
    What makes Trump a great strategist is he can spin it if he wants. He will be 74 if he runs again, I'm not sure if he will run again, but if he does he would win again simply because he knows how to win, he just hammers away at his opponents until they break. A bit like Barcelona who grind the opposition down with the ball, they get tired and they score.


  • #7359
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He will prove a lot of people wrong, I think he will be a great President and not like what people think.

    He's currently focusing on idiotic tweets in his honeymoon period.... I'm pretty confident that Donald will be no Caesar, I'm doubtful that he'll go 4 years without being impeached.
    How is he going to get impeached if the Republicans control the senate and the house? Obama did such a bad job for the Democrats as a party.


  • #7360
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    How is he going to get impeached if the Republicans control the senate and the house?
    They don't want to be associated with hacking and treason any more than the Democrats.


  • #7361
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Putin and Obama doing the geopolitical equivalent of the estranged husband and wife calling the family poodle at the same time to see which it goes to. :)


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  • #7362
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Billy86 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    How is he going to get impeached if the Republicans control the senate and the house?
    They don't want to be associated with hacking and treason any more than the Democrats.
    The GOP was out of power for years, now they control practically everything that matters. They can set the agenda and implement changes easily. Like Obamacare, if Trump wants to repeal it, he can do so.


  • #7363
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    How is he going to get impeached if the Republicans control the senate and the house?

    I see where you're coming from. There's going to be so much horse-trading (e.g. Paul Ryan and his fellow Ayn Rand acolytes getting free reign to destroy what little of a welfare state the USA has) over the next 2 years (at the very least) it'll make the Keeneland Sales look like the local Smyth's clearing out their stock of My Little Pony video games.


  • #7364
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    The GOP was out of power for years, now they control practically everything that matters. They can set the agenda and implement changes easily. Like Obamacare, if Trump wants to repeal it, he can do so.

    Doesn't help the fact they don't want to be involved with treasonous Russian hacking, which is why they have come out in support of Obama kicking out the 35 Russian diplomats. As Republican speaker of the House Paul Ryan said, it was overdue.


  • #7365
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He will prove a lot of people wrong, I think he will be a great President and not like what people think.

    He's currently focusing on idiotic tweets in his honeymoon period.... I'm pretty confident that Donald will be no Caesar, I'm doubtful that he'll go 4 years without being impeached.

    That is silly. Please retract.


  • #7366
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    What makes Trump a great strategist is he can spin it if he wants. He will be 74 if he runs again, I'm not sure if he will run again, but if he does he would win again simply because he knows how to win, he just hammers away at his opponents until they break. A bit like Barcelona who grind the opposition down with the ball, they get tired and they score.

    'I don't know but at least it'll be different.'

    That's the opinion of Trump that got him over the line.

    That won't be valid in four years. People will know exactly what they'd be voting for.

    Maybe the most successful president of all time?? Who knows??

    But it'll require more than spin and people posting to expect 8 years of Trump and possibly 8 years of his son - that's the biggest unbroken dynasty ever - before he's even worked a day as president are seriously deluded.


  • #7367
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    gosplan wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    What makes Trump a great strategist is he can spin it if he wants. He will be 74 if he runs again, I'm not sure if he will run again, but if he does he would win again simply because he knows how to win, he just hammers away at his opponents until they break. A bit like Barcelona who grind the opposition down with the ball, they get tired and they score.

    'I don't know but at least it'll be different.'

    That's the opinion of Trump that got him over the line.

    That won't be valid in four years. People will know exactly what they'd be voting for.

    Maybe the most successful president of all time?? Who knows??

    But it'll require more than spin and people posting to expect 8 years of Trump and possibly 8 years of his son - that's the biggest unbroken dynasty ever - before he's even worked a day as president are seriously deluded.

    Not delusion - reality.


  • #7368
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Not delusion - reality.

    Can you explain just a bit please the forces that you feel will propel the Trump brand to 16 unbroken years of the presidency?


  • #7369
    Lackey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Doesn't help the fact they don't want to be involved with treasonous Russian hacking, which is why they have come out in support of Obama kicking out the 35 Russian diplomats. As Republican speaker of the House Paul Ryan said, it was overdue.

    Putin's response was classic, after being advised to throw 35 American diplomats out of Russia,
    He invited USA diplomats and their kids to a party in the Kremlin, said he would never damage relations by stooping to low levels....and wished Obama his family and all of America a very happy new year, :)

    Trump tweet is right...Putin is very smart indeed


  • #7370
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Huh? How does Trump gain in this, I doubt Putin will be sending those 35 spies back to the US when Trump gets in.


  • #7371
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    RasTa wrote: »
    Huh? How does Trump gain in this, I doubt Putin will be sending those 35 spies back to the US when Trump gets in.

    Putin is extending the hand of friendship to Trump by acting in a non agressive way. Trump has in turn responded with the tweet. Putin has also called Obama a loser, which he is. He burned him with Syria , Crimea and the rest.


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  • #7372
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    ebbsy wrote: »
    That is silly. Please retract.

    What's the matter? Has B_Wayne invaded your safe space?


  • #7373
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/814110460761018368

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/814919370711461890

    Who needs T.V when you have Donald Trump's twitter account?:D


  • #7374
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Pres Obama is caving to those Republicans who have been constantly calling on his administration to get tougher and tougher on Russia, by appeasing those Republicans and expelling Russian diplomats he continues down this path on his last days in office. I wish Pres Obama his family and colleagues very well in the new year and upon finishing his term in office even though he has been a frustrating President unwilling to listen to those within the Democratic party that spoke of improving relations with Russia and not getting involved in the GOP's foreign policy blunders.


  • #7375
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Trump has destroyed everybody in his path.

    May his reign be long and fruitful.
    Destruction is a good thing?

    Irony has never been admirable amongst the far right.


  • #7376
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Pres Obama [...] has been a frustrating President unwilling to listen to those within the Democratic party that spoke of improving relations with Russia [...]
    Hard to improve relations with a country which, under the leadership of a mafia thug, has invaded Georgia and Ukraine, to say nothing of shooting down MH17, then covering it up.


  • #7377
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    robindch wrote: »
    Hard to improve relations with a country which, under the leadership of a mafia thug, has invaded Georgia and Ukraine, to say nothing of shooting down MH17, then covering it up.

    Don't forget killing journalists.

    I must say I'm surprised that Trump seems so positive about Putin. I can't really see what's in it for him or America. A lot of the GOP, which he still needs won't budge on Putin a bit.

    Maybe someone can explain?

    Why does an economically protectionist country need an ally like Russia?


  • #7378
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    There's a clear rhetoric here. Putin seems to be someone America should be afraid of or America should stay out Russian business.

    Putin not a good guy.


  • #7379
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Better to be friends with Putin. One less problem to worry about.


  • #7380
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    robindch wrote: »
    ebbsy wrote: »
    Trump has destroyed everybody in his path.

    May his reign be long and fruitful.
    Destruction is a good thing?

    Irony has never been admirable amongst the far right.

    Sometimes you have to punch people in the face to make them wake up.


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  • #7381
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Better to be friends with Putin. One less problem to worry about.

    Can you expand this idea?

    Better be friends with Saudi Arabia, Isis etc.

    Plus again. Can you explain why a protectionist, isolationist America would 'worry' about Russia?


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