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El Presidente Trump

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  • #7142
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Two can play that game.
    Not really no, I didn't said Trump had no policies (though if I recall most of those on his website were lobbed in at the last minute). You said Clinton had no policies. You were wrong. That simple.

    What's your thought on his Muslim immigration policy - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration - would you like to see that kept as stated, too (e.g. ban all Muslims)? It would be odd since you're in favour of Muslim immigration into post Brexit UK, but still curious.

    So no thoughts on Trump having to be bailed out before by the House of Saud, no?


  • #7143
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Billy86 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Two can play that game.
    Not really no, I didn't said Trump had no policies (though if I recall most of those on his website were lobbed in at the last minute). You said Clinton had no policies. You were wrong. That simple.

    What's your thought on his Muslim immigration policy - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration - would you like to see that kept as stated, too (e.g. ban all Muslims)? It would be odd since you're in favour of Muslim immigration into post Brexit UK, but still curious.

    So no thoughts on Trump having to be bailed out before by the House of Saud, no?
    Im not for Muslim immigration in any way. I said commonwealth immigration should be encouraged, just not Muslim. Christians, yes.


  • #7144
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Donald Trump actually believed in more of the things he said than Hillary. Hillary didn't have any policies except 'vote for me because I have a vagina'.

    That is blantantly untrue. Clinton published numerous policies, which she was able to do as an experienced politician. It doesn't matter if you agree with her politics or not, she did have them. At least go educate yourself before you make incorrect statements.

    Ironically, it was Trump who was light on the policy front. Go read their documents, side by side.


  • #7145
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Im not for Muslim immigration in anyway. I said commonwealth immigration should be encouraged, just not Muslim. Christians, yes.
    Could have fooled us, with there being hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Commonwealth. I'm guessing you just weren't aware of that at the time, embracing low information will do that to you.
    demfad wrote: »
    Nobody who wants to peddle falshoods cares for experts or evidence these days. Most of the immigration comes from outside the EU. Tell me, if immigration is such a huge deal why have the massive numbers of immigrants from outside the EU not been curbed?
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Commonwealth immigration is great,  not so with the EU, the bastard institution that it is.

    So then you are in favour of Trump's policy to stop any Muslims from entering the US?

    And Still nothing to say about the money Trump got from the House of Saud I see...


  • #7146
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    dudara wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Donald Trump actually believed in more of the things he said than Hillary. Hillary didn't have any policies except 'vote for me because I have a vagina'.

    That is blantantly untrue. Clinton published numerous policies, which she was able to do as an experienced politician. It doesn't matter if you agree with her politics or not, she did have them. At least go educate yourself before you make incorrect statements.
    She offered the same old guff. The American people didn't want to do leftist politics this time, so she failed to win. She can carry on being an apologist for Islamist terrorism though.


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  • #7147
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    dudara wrote: »
    Go read their documents, side by side.
    Whoa whoa whoa, let's not go crazy now! That sounds like elitist college-boy speak to me!


  • #7148
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    “I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of the computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I'm not sure we have the kind of security we need.”

    Can ye guys help me here and try and translate this gibberish. Is he saying that computers are living things? Computers have complicated "lives" WTF OMG etc

    This is a quote from yesterday about the russian hacking where he also said we should all get on with our lives..lets just forget about it!

    Jesus Christ there was no Russia hacking.


  • #7149
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Billy86 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Im not for Muslim immigration in anyway. I said commonwealth immigration should be encouraged, just not Muslim. Christians, yes.
    Could have fooled us, with there being hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Commonwealth. I'm guessing you just weren't aware of that at the time, embracing low information will do that to you.
    demfad wrote: »
    Nobody who wants to peddle falshoods cares for experts or evidence these days. Most of the immigration comes from outside the EU. Tell me, if immigration is such a huge deal why have the massive numbers of immigrants from outside the EU not been curbed?
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Commonwealth immigration is great,  not so with the EU, the bastard institution that it is.

    So then you are in favour of Trump's policy to stop any Muslims from entering the US?

    And Still nothing to say about the money Trump got from the House of Saud I see...

    Yes.


  • #7150
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Why are people entertaining ALP ?

    It's crystal clear he's not here to talk serious, every time he is proven wrong he changes the goalposts and then comes out with more soundbites straight from Trump's camp. The fact he thinks universities are where people are indoctrinated in leftist Marxism shows he is fully under the impression that there is some form of Commie threat trying to undermine the strong, 'Murican values.

    It's straight-up McCarthyism. He's the walking, talking epitome of the stereotype of the ill-informed Trump supporter who thinks 'Trump tells it like it is' simply because he understands some of the words.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE8gffPz69Y

    inb4 'That's why he won'


  • #7151
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    You mean learning cultural Marxism.

    Hi. Sorry I'm new to this idea but can you e plain a bit please?

    Universities teach cultural Marxism? What is cultural Marxism?


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  • #7152
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    dudara wrote: »
    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Okay, Renegade, I'm a highly educated scientist - in hard sciences, not diversity studies or whatever you've decided that university students learn these days that make them less likely to fall for a con-man like Trump. I am strongly against his wishy-washy bull**** views regarding pretty much everything, and the deeply cynical views of the GOP regarding things like medicine, education, climate science, reliance on polluting fuels and cynical work against alternatives, and research into basically all of the above puts me diametrically opposed in ideology to them.

    One thing that university teaches is -how to learn-. How to research, how things work, how to look into something with a critical eye. And in many cases, my own included, how chemistry, physics and biology work in terms of not believing some of the absolute misinformed bullcrap that gets put out as fact, as if physics is merely a fecking opinion.

    Trump is absolutely a con-man. He is a -classic- conman.

    Diversity studies is a ridiculous straw-man.

    I'm in the same boat as HS. I'm highly educated and hold a PhD (in Physics). I highly value my university education and the great benefits it gave me. I value critical thought, and the ability to form ones own opinions based on the evidence I see in front of me. Take emotion out of the argument and looks at the facts. That's science for you baby.

    Trump (and his ilk) is an abhorrent phenomena to me. Facts have been thrown straight out of the window. In fact, it's worse than that, it's as if people take a willful joy in ignoring them.

    Fact: Trump referred to grabbing women by the p*ssy. What a horrible statement to make, even if it was locker room talk. Yet women voted for him in their droves. I can't fathom how they rationalised that in their head.

    Fact: Trump has a track record of racist incidents, stretching back decades.

    Fact: Trump set up a fraudulent university, that was not licensed by the state, and for which he will pay ~$1m in fines plus the $25m lawsuit settlement. But that "inconvenient truth" has been largely suppressed.

    Fact: Trump is the first non-politician or non-military person (IiRC) to hold this office. While it's actually good to shake up the system, his lack of nous in this arena is going to be hugely impactful:

    But hey, who cares about facts? Let's just stick it to someone!!!

    Fact : Hillary Clinton got women to lie about sexual assault.


  • #7153
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    She offered the same old guff. The American people didn't want to do leftist politics this time, so she failed to win. She can carry on being an apologist for Islamist terrorism though.

    I almost have to admire your persistence in being so utterly, stubbornly incorrect about so many things. I do suspect you don't entirely believe most of it, but it's -very nearly- admirable just how persistent you are with absolute bull****. The World According To Pony is a very strange place indeed.


  • #7154
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    The World According To Pony is a very strange place indeed.

    And come Jan 20th 2017, we will all be living in it!


  • #7155
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Why are people entertaining ALP ?

    It's crystal clear he's not here to talk serious, every time he is proven wrong he changes the goalposts and then comes out with more soundbites straight from Trump's camp. The fact he thinks universities are where people are indoctrinated in leftist Marxism shows he is fully under the impression that there is some form of Commie threat trying to undermine the strong, 'Murican values.

    It's straight-up McCarthyism. He's the walking, talking epitome of the stereotype of the ill-informed Trump supporter.

    Tbh, I put him on Ignore ages ago, I just occasionally see his guff when it's quoted. Gave up trying to land any awkward facts in the thorny path of his mental progress a while back.
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    And come Jan 20th 2017, we will all be living in it!

    Fortunately, we won't. Even if Trump is president, he still can't change history. Or, if it comes to that, biology, physics or chemistry. He'll argue it blue in the face, but it won't actually be any more real no matter how much wind he puts behind it.


  • #7156
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    She offered the same old guff. The American people didn't want to do leftist politics this time, so she failed to win.
    yes, she was defeated. However, I would never call Democrats "leftists". By our European standards, they're fairly right leaning. Americans find our semi-social European ways very bizarre.

    In general, I would say that using right/left wing terminology can be quite different in the US and Europe.
    She can carry on being an apologist for Islamist terrorism though.

    Has she actually apologised for Islamic terrorism? If she has, then yes, she is an apologist. If not, then that's your opinion


  • #7157
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Yes.
    In that case, you already admit that he's been a failure on that policy as far as you're concerned, since he's since rowed back to saying he only plans on banning Muslims from some countries. Like has been said, low information can be a dangerous thing.

    Good of you to concede that he is Saudi funded, though.


  • #7158
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    The facts are in the election result Hellsquirrel. The states voted and Hillary lost. People will have to eventually come to terms with that, you don't always get what you want in life and the left this time lost out to patriotism and love for America and not globalization. 

    If Trump was this horrible monster the left makes him out to be, this next Hitler like character, he would not have won the election, if he was that awful as the left claims him to be. Trump won against all the odds, spent less money, had the liberal media against him while at the same time knew how to use the media against themselves to further his own campaign.

    I look forward to reading the book on this election and just how great the Trump campaign was, how it overcame all the obstacles against him and relied on the American people in individual states to give him victory.


  • #7159
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Billy86 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Yes.
    In that case, you already admit that he's been a failure on that policy as far as you're concerned, since he's since rowed back to saying he only plans on banning Muslims from some countries. Like has been said, low information can be a dangerous thing.

    Good of you to concede that he is Saudi funded, though.
    It was never going to happen, not that I disagreed with the premise of it.


  • #7160
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It was never going to happen, not that I disagreed with the premise of it.
    It's a failure in your eyes, simple as that. The fact that you acknowledge he lied to you and others about it doesn't change that. And it'll be an even bigger failure and lie when reality kicks in that it's impossible to tell if someone is Muslim or not at airport security.


  • #7161
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If Trump was this horrible monster the left makes him out to be, this next Hitler like character, he would not have won the election,

    You do know that Hitler won elections in Germany don't you?


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  • #7162
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Billy86 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It was never going to happen, not that I disagreed with the premise of it.
    It's a failure in your eyes, simple as that. The fact that you acknowledge he lied to you and others about it doesn't change that. And it'll be an even bigger failure and lie when reality kicks in that it's impossible to tell if someone is Muslim or not at airport security.
    Did you expect Trump to carry out everything he said. Not even Irish or British politicians do that. Trump isn't a Conservative, he doesn't believe in many things but he grinds the gears of the left, the world over which is fine by me.


  • #7163
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You do know that Hitler won elections in Germany don't you?

    I contemplated mentioning that, but the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. Awkward facts are to be ignored or reframed.


  • #7164
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If Trump was this horrible monster the left makes him out to be, this next Hitler like character, he would not have won the election,

    You do know that Hitler won elections in Germany don't you?
    Hitler didn't become chancellor because he won an election, it was given to him by Hindenburg who thought he could control him.


  • #7165
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Did you expect Trump to carry out everything he said. Not even Irish or British politicians do that. Trump isn't a Conservative, he doesn't believe in many things but he grinds the gears of the left, the world over which is fine by me.

    So what do you expect him to do? By your own words, you don't believe all that he says.

    We already know he won't go after HC, so all that 'Lock her Up' chanting was a waste of time.

    If thats true then I don't see why you are happy that he won.


  • #7166
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You do know that Hitler won elections in Germany don't you?
    Oh come on now, it's not like his followers are shouting 'Heil Trump' and whipping out the Nazi salutes at speeches while the guy on the podium shouts 'Hail/Heil Trump' and quotes Nazi propaganda now is it? Oh wait, it is - http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

    But let's be serious for a moment, it's not like they're literally organising Neo Nazi marches against Jewish communities, are they? Oh wait, they are - http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/27/neo_nazis_are_planning_an_armed_march_against_jews_in_richard_spencer_s.html

    In the last few days, they've began to collapse in on each other too, calling anyone who asked them not to use Nazi salutes at an upcoming function 'kikes' and the likes.

    Nothing to see here, folks!


  • #7167
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Oh come on now, it's not like his followers are shouting 'Heil Trump' and whipping out the Nazi salutes at speeches while the guy on the podium shouts 'Hail/Heil Trump' and quotes Nazi propaganda now is it? Oh wait, it is - http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

    But let's be serious for a moment, it's not like they're literally organising Neo Nazi marches against Jewish communities, are they? Oh wait, they are - http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/27/neo_nazis_are_planning_an_armed_march_against_jews_in_richard_spencer_s.html

    In the last few days, they've began to collapse in on each other too, calling anyone who asked them not to use Nazi salutes at an upcoming function 'kikes' and the likes.

    Nothing to see here, folks!

    Left wing propaganda.


  • #7168
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Hitler didn't become chancellor because he won an election, it was given to him by Hindenburg who thought he could control him.

    Hey, similar to how Trump lost the popular vote but was awarded the win by the Electoral College!

    And yeah, I am just trolling you now.


  • #7169
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Did you expect Trump to carry out everything he said. Not even Irish or British politicians do that. Trump isn't a Conservative, he doesn't believe in many things but he grinds the gears of the left, the world over which is fine by me.

    And there you go again, celebrating being 'low information' - you got lied to. He doesn't stand for what you wanted. He's already fallen short of your expectations on the immigration front. It really is that simple, you just didn't know it until a few minutes ago and are now trying to save face.


  • #7170
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    The left has a really low bar when it comes to Trump. Anything he does which doesn't meet that low standard (the Hitler standard, so he just needs to not murder 6 million people)  he will be seen as amazing. Joe Scarborough mentions this frequently on his show in America.


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  • #7171
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Could have fooled us, with there being hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Commonwealth. I'm guessing you just weren't aware of that at the time, embracing low information will do that to you.


    So then you are in favour of Trump's policy to stop any Muslims from entering the US?

    And Still nothing to say about the money Trump got from the House of Saud I see...

    The money Gobby got wasn't given in exchange for direct influence over foreign policy, given that he didn't have any.
    When I see Trump directly influencing foreign policy towards Saudis favour I might believe the Saudis were paying him years ago to make their sickening human rights abuses "go away".

    I don't know but I assume Israel helped him out to the tune of millions in the past, too?
    Looks like theyll be glad they did!


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