El Presidente Trump

Hank Scorpio · 21-12-2016 11:50AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Not exactly the same impact. Cloning the gate after the horse has bolted

What are they supposed to do if they don't have RNC mails? Trump like Bill Clinton isn't meant to use email.

Christy42 · 21-12-2016 11:54AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

In a non corrupt Government she would have. If a guy gets sent to jail for taking a picture on a submarine you know it stinks. The DOJ and AG were working with her as shown in the email releases. The foundation and email scandal is still under investigation and ongoing according to Chaffetz. Assange still has at least 500gb + of leaks which they've released as insurance files.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSK64mwXqGY

Second part yeah we don't know. He's hinted several times it was a leak not a hack but it's all speculation. I guess they're playing chicken right now.

The ongoing investigations are not due to wikileaks. They released dodgy dealings in the dnc which were bad but not illegal as their main thing. They worked with the media but that I'd an open secret anyway and again Assange had to know she wouldn't get locked up for it.

The fbi have shown they ate quite willing to go after Clinton and yet so far have nothing. If they were handed a smoking gun they would be a bit further than investigations no one expects to go anywhere.

The second part is entirely speculation. Taking pictures on submarines should be illegal as you could well be trading military secrets (though I presume you are talking about Manning whose imprisonment I oppose since tradio secrets was not her aim). I am annoyed with both sides of the aisle about Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Neither gave the expected reaction to the leaks. Democrats from a civil liberties perspective should have opposed it and Republicans from an anti big brother - the government should have reason to fear the people type argument that gets brought out for the second amendment.

Whst Assange said he has in reserve is irrelevant. He kept saying the real bad stuff would be in the next release. If he has it and kept it in reserve it still means he lied about promising to release it (which was my original point).

seamus · 21-12-2016 11:59AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It was targeted at one side only. If wikileaks was trying to impartially inform the public, it would have looked much different.

Their releases also wouldn't be fortuitously timed and edited.

Assange and Wikileaks have basically lost all credibility over the last few months. They've proven that they're far removed from the side of transparency, impartiality and anti-corruption, and they're just another player trying to manipulate world politics.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if they turn out to be a front for one of the governments.

ebbsy · 21-12-2016 12:23PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Serious though, I do want to know what people who were convinced by trump's message or support him, think Trump will do when Russia expands West again.

It's a big issue so surely they have at least thought about it.

I think Trump can rein in Putin. A deal will be done to keep everybody happy.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 12:44PM

ebbsy wrote:

I think Trump can rein in Putin. A deal will be done to keep everybody happy.

Ok. What does that mean? And why do you think that?

What elements of a deal would satisfy Putin's desires? Would it mean he doesn't expand West or when he expands West and everyone will be happy about it?

PopePalpatine · 21-12-2016 12:45PM

Yep, we can all trust the guy who forgot about Russia's annexation of Crimea and wants to appoint Rex Tillerson as his Secretary of State to keep Putin in check. :rolleyes:

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 12:46PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Interesting points but i think you're talking past what I said again.

What would Trump do if Putin moves west again?

Into what though? Nothing countries like Ireland who only matter when there's money to be made stirring up military action? If he tried to move over the EU as a whole the resulting crash would suck the Federation down with it.

I don't know what Trump would do, I don't expect him to interfere with Russians telling countries like Georgia what do do any more than the US or UK would interfere with the EU telling little old us what to do.

That's just a fact of life. Small countries will always be influenced - politically or forcefully - by bigger ones. At least with the Russians not backed into a corner and hopefully restoring trade with Europe, the Chinese are infinitely less likely to risk their economy and follow through on the expansionist policies they'll really need, to sustain their population growth because they're not guaranteed support from the Russians above them.

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 12:52PM

seamus wrote: »

Their releases also wouldn't be fortuitously timed and edited.

Assange and Wikileaks have basically lost all credibility over the last few months. They've proven that they're far removed from the side of transparency, impartiality and anti-corruption, and they're just another player trying to manipulate world politics.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if they turn out to be a front for one of the governments.

Really? I mean they were fantastic when they exposed all the ****ery of the Republicans in Iraq and across the Middle East. Lauded the world over. And very rightly so. Turn to the Democrats however and it's alllll different. That not striking you as at least a little odd?

Consider the fact that arsehole Trump was never once called racist until he stopped being the Democrats arsehole...

osarusan · 21-12-2016 12:58PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Consider the fact that arsehole Trump was never once called racist until he stopped being the Democrats arsehole...

NYT were highlighting possible racist behaviour (they called it 'anti-Black bias') as early as 1973 when reporting on a case the govt had taken against him.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color'...It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.”

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 01:17PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote:

Into what though? Nothing countries like Ireland who only matter when there's money to be made stirring up military action? If he tried to move over the EU as a whole the resulting crash would suck the Federation down with it.

So he wouldn't do anything to oppose Russian expansion. Is that a good thing, in your view?

What happened to the torrents of abuse Obama hot girls not doing more to oppose Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine? Have people changed their minds about what's the right approach or are they holding Trump to a set of standards which will be made up as they go along?

Professor Moriarty · 21-12-2016 01:19PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So he wouldn't do anything to oppose Russian expansion. Is that a good thing, in your view?

What happened to the torrents of abuse Obama hot girls not doing more to oppose Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine? Have people changed their minds about what's the right approach or are they holding Trump to a set of standards which will be made up as they go along?

Any sane person's standards for Chump should be very low.

ebbsy · 21-12-2016 01:29PM

osarusan wrote: »

NYT were highlighting possible racist behaviour (they called it 'anti-Black bias') as early as 1973 when reporting on a case the govt had taken against him.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color'...It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.”

BULL****.

Professor Moriarty · 21-12-2016 01:31PM

ebbsy wrote: »

BULL****.

HORSE****

This is so much fun.

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 02:19PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So he wouldn't do anything to oppose Russian expansion. Is that a good thing, in your view?

What happened to the torrents of abuse Obama hot girls not doing more to oppose Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine? Have people changed their minds about what's the right approach or are they holding Trump to a set of standards which will be made up as they go along?

Best typo ever

But I don't think many have changed their minds, if anything it's the media - all round - changing narrative. I for one opposed Ukraine getting into the EU - they were better off under the Russians than they'd be under Brussels. Very little would change and they'd be charged for the pleasure.

Putin throwing a wobbler and jamming a spanner in the works did us a lot of favours that many aren't prepared to admit, because of the dubious reputation around the man who did them.

Although the IMF have their tentacles wrapped around the country now, so at leas half their plan has worked....

Obviously I can't speak for everyone but for me personally, I was quite happy with Obamas inaction. One of the only genuine problems I have with Trump is his Towing of the line that "Iran is a great threat to world peace", just because they're the last country in the Middle East who won't let a global central bank manage their currency or allow foreign oil companies unlimited scope of operation within their borders (note that the sanctions started loosening literally a week after they started lifting restrictions on foreign oil companies

) but in a rather hilarious twist of irony, I'm hoping it was just bull**** he was spouting to get in

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 02:27PM

osarusan wrote: »

NYT were highlighting possible racist behaviour (they called it 'anti-Black bias') as early as 1973 when reporting on a case the govt had taken against him.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color'...It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.”

I'll have to look into that more, their ignorance of the Goldwater girl Clinton doesn't help their case, nor does widespread ignorance of the fact in the early 90s, he insisted on letting Jews and Blacks access to his country club.

But at the same time, iirc, they poked Hillary over paying 20k to join and 150 a month to remain in an all white segregated country club, so they get marks nonetheless..

osarusan · 21-12-2016 02:31PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I'll have to look into that more

You don't really though - its about you saying that nobody was suggesting he was a racist until recently. But that's not the case.

The question of whether the suggestions have any merit or not is a different issue.

seamus · 21-12-2016 02:33PM

Trump still tweeting about Hillary and trying to denigrate her. He's a sore winner. What kind of asshat is this guy?

A Little Pony · 21-12-2016 02:34PM

Looking forward to his inauguration, he is a genius general.

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 02:39PM

osarusan wrote: »

You don't really though - its about you saying that nobody was suggesting he was a racist until recently. But that's not the case.

The question of whether the suggestions have any merit or not is a different issue.

"Accused" "Alleged"..... Uh huh.. Now I did use the word "called", so you are technically correct I suppose.

PopePalpatine · 21-12-2016 02:39PM

ebbsy wrote: »

BULL****.

osarusan wrote: »

You don't really though - its about you saying that nobody was suggesting he was a racist until recently. But that's not the case.

The question of whether the suggestions have any merit or not is a different issue.

What's the chances ebbsy and his fellow Trump cultists will bother to click that link? :rolleyes:

On a different note, I'd say that if he does get his infrastructure plans through Congress, it'll probably be as the result of agreeing to let Paul Ryan and his fellow hardcore Randroids destroying what little welfare state the USA has.

osarusan · 21-12-2016 02:47PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

"Accused" "Alleged"..... Uh huh.. Now I did use the word "called", so you are technically correct I suppose.

Nothing technical about it.

It was a meme during the election, readily shared and spread by Trump supporters.

The implication of the meme is clear - that the suggestion he was suddenly a racist was obviously an empty slur which had just been fabricated for political reasons.

But in fact, it was neither sudden or fabricated. What was fabricated was the meme claiming that nobody had ever suggested he was a racist until the election.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 03:14PM

ebbsy wrote:

BULL****.

No that's real. It's not a fake news story or anything of the sort. It's on record for decades.

Christy42 · 21-12-2016 03:24PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

"Accused" "Alleged"..... Uh huh.. Now I did use the word "called", so you are technically correct I suppose.

What in the world did you mean aside from called?!?

Your sentence seemed to imply people only called him a racist because he ran as a Republican. I mean being correct is also technically correct so you are also technically correct in your above post.

Your post is merely an atempt to avoid the fact that you were flat out wrong.

As your false equivalence between being invaded by Russia's military and placed under the control of Russia and joining a group of countries with favourable trading conditions with each other has not gone unnoticed. Aside from Belgium no one is under Brussels.

Billy86 · 21-12-2016 03:24PM

seamus wrote: »

Trump still tweeting about Hillary and trying to denigrate her. He's a sore winner. What kind of asshat is this guy?

One who, much like his supporters, has yet to move on from the "BUT HILLARY!" line of defense because they don't yet have one to parrot.

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 03:40PM

osarusan wrote: »

Nothing technical about it.

It was a meme during the election, readily shared and spread by Trump supporters.

The implication of the meme is clear - that the suggestion he was suddenly a racist was obviously an empty slur which had just been fabricated for political reasons.

But in fact, it was neither sudden or fabricated. What was fabricated was the meme claiming that nobody had ever suggested he was a racist until the election.

You were right, I was wrong, he's been alleged of racism in the past. He was president of the company a wet week when the DOJ slapped that and other companies for apparent racial bias and he moved to settle. I think the problem of the practice lies more with Fred than Donald, but he was President when it happened, so it was his responsibility. Given the "times", I can't find much fault with his actions in light of the ruling tbh.

B_Wayne · 21-12-2016 06:49PM

ebbsy wrote: »

I think Trump can rein in Putin. A deal will be done to keep everybody happy.

I've yet to see any indication that Trump has the intelligence or diplomatic ability to achieve any such thing. Putin can manipulate him as he pleases.

Professor Moriarty · 21-12-2016 06:51PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

I've yet to see any indication that Trump has the intelligence or diplomatic ability to achieve any such thing. Putin can manipulate him as he pleases.

Considering Chump places such little faith in his intelligence services, he probably won't hear about it anyway.

KingBrian2 · 21-12-2016 07:06PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Best typo ever
But I don't think many have changed their minds, if anything it's the media - all round - changing narrative. I for one opposed Ukraine getting into the EU - they were better off under the Russians than they'd be under Brussels. Very little would change and they'd be charged for the pleasure.

Putin throwing a wobbler and jamming a spanner in the works did us a lot of favours that many aren't prepared to admit, because of the dubious reputation around the man who did them.

Although the IMF have their tentacles wrapped around the country now, so at leas half their plan has worked....

Obviously I can't speak for everyone but for me personally, I was quite happy with Obamas inaction. One of the only genuine problems I have with Trump is his Towing of the line that "Iran is a great threat to world peace", just because they're the last country in the Middle East who won't let a global central bank manage their currency or allow foreign oil companies unlimited scope of operation within their borders (note that the sanctions started loosening literally a week after they started lifting restrictions on foreign oil companies ) but in a rather hilarious twist of irony, I'm hoping it was just bull**** he was spouting to get in

If that is the big reason America does not want to deal with Iran diplomatically because of no central bank or oil rights in the country. It is daft to risk a war when the option of better trade relations can offset this. In places like Iraq which is a majority Shia state and with Al Qaeda and ISIS so strong this should be strong reasons for America and Iran to get along. The sanctions in Iran is harming internal affairs and war is only more likely if relations are not greatly improved. So they should put aside those two areas of controversy that seem to be causing so much distrust between Iran and the rest of the world.

Saipanne · 21-12-2016 07:09PM

Mon Trump!

The biggest troll of all time.

Trolled his way to the presidency.

Uses presidency to troll the world.

Some man.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 07:36PM

B_Wayne wrote:

I've yet to see any indication that Trump has the intelligence or diplomatic ability to achieve any such thing. Putin can manipulate him as he pleases.

I think you've made seed his entire career. He's never done anything clever or inspiring for the benefit of others. He's done lots of clever things for the benefit of himself. You can't discount that.

El Presidente Trump

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