How would you rate the quality of life in Ireland?

darlett · 21-12-2016 12:54AM

Skommando wrote: »

you were the one that said compared to some countries, and you still can't even offer one ?

again, I'll ask you , even the government and public service admit there is a homeless crisis in Ireland, are they lying ?

I offered 5.

If your are rating life in Ireland you need to compare it somewhere. If you want to rate to some place which does not exist that's different but please clarify this.

This isn't about rating homelessness. Homelessness rates bad. But we have less of it than the countries I said. For the third time I'll ask you to tell us about countries who rate better. I'm not saying there are none, I'm asking you to tell us what we can learn from the ones you know and their examples.

And to your question, yes, they are lying without taking it the emotive winning point that even one homeless person is a crisis for a country which should look after every one of her citizens. They would become even more unpopular if they were to argue publicly with Messrs Hansard and Hozier and unpopularity leads to unemployment for politicians and public servants. Please don't let this bombshell prevent you from answering mine about things we could copy from other countries to improve the homeless situation here.

Skommando · 21-12-2016 12:58AM

darlett wrote: »

I offered 5.

If your are rating life in Ireland you need to compare it somewhere.

This isn't about rating homelessness. Homelessness rates bad. But we have less of it than the countries I said. For the third time I'll ask you to tell us about countries who rate better. I'm not saying there are none, I'm asking you to tell us what we can learn from the ones you know and their examples.

And to your question, yes, they are lying without taking it the emotive winning point that even one homeless person is a crisis for a country which should look after every one of her citizens. They would become even more unpopular if they were to argue publicly with Messrs Hansard and Hozier and unpopularity leads to unemployment for politicians and public servants. Please don't let this bombshell prevent you from answering mine about things we could copy from other countries to improve the homeless situation here.

What's there actual homeless rates compared to Ireland ?

and why, according to you, are the government, politicians and civil servants in Ireland lying when they say there is a homeless crisis ?

One_Of_Shanks · 21-12-2016 01:06AM

Mediocre.

We pretty much define the word "mediocrity".

Even on these forums you can pick up on it very quickly.
Anyone who dares to ask for a bit more from life gets lambasted with lazy phrases like "entitlement".
I never saw that word mentioned so much in all my life until I joined boards, it's everywhere.
Got to the stage where I hate the phrase. And that's without it ever being aimed at me specifically (someone will do it now of course) but it's right up there with "snowflake" and "3rd world problems" on my hate list.
You demand a bit more from life here and you're an entitled snowflake with 3rd world problems.

On the other hand.... It's not quite the sheer pits that others suggest and yes when you're quantifying a standard of living in a nation it will inevitably draw comparisons to countries who have serious problems like basics such as running water, transport, electricity etc so we're certainly not anywhere remotely close to being in an unfortunate nation to live in overall. And yes we should be thankful for that.

There are lots of people and families out there on huge salaries and lots of others living on social welfare.

But I think what really gets on people's wicks is that the average woman/man here is not seeing enough daylight at the end of a week where they work their sacks off all week trying to pay bills and put food on the table and both parents often working (if you have a relative to help coz we all know childcare aint an option) so by the time the week ends you get left with very little money and very little time before you go again the next week.
Is that a good quality of life? Or is it existing?

And that's where the entire thing breaks down in Ireland, imo. It's not the property tax or the huge rents or general taxation or the high variable interest rates on our mortgages etc, but it's just a combination of everything that has resulted in the common family finding themselves working to live, more-so working to exist.

So while it could be worse, it should be better. But hey, I'm coming across as "entitled" now.

darlett · 21-12-2016 01:09AM

Skommando wrote: »

What's there actual homeless rates compared to Ireland ?

Anecdotally worse. I've seen larger groups of homeless in all of them than I've seen in Dublin.

Stats then as you wish.
Indonesia 1.36%
Australia 0.43%
USA 0.18%
Ireland 0.09%

Malaysia and Singapore not available, most likely for a reason of total apathy.

Skommando wrote: »

and why, according to you, are the government, politicians and civil servants in Ireland lying when they say there is a homeless crisis ?

As mentioned. Unpopularity=Unemployment.

Now for the 4th and final time as I'm tired of the oneway traffic of information from me to you, tell me the countries you are familiar with and feel we can learn who better provide for homelessness.

Skommando · 21-12-2016 01:12AM

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Mediocre.

We pretty much define the word "mediocrity".

Even on these forums you can pick up on it very quickly.
Anyone who dares to ask for a bit more from life gets lambasted with lazy phrases like "entitlement".
I never saw that word mentioned so much in all my life until I joined boards, it's everywhere.
Got to the stage where I hate the phrase. And that's without it ever being aimed at me specifically (someone will do it now of course) but it's right up there with "snowflake" and "3rd world problems" on my hate list.
You demand a bit more from life here and you're an entitled snowflake with 3rd world problems.

On the other hand.... It's not quite the sheer pits that others suggest and yes when you're quantifying a standard of living in a nation it will inevitably draw comparisons to countries who have serious problems like basics such as running water, transport, electricity etc so we're certainly not anywhere remotely close to being in an unfortunate nation to live in overall. And yes we should be thankful for that.

There are lots of people and families out there on huge salaries and lots of others living on social welfare.

But I think what really gets on people's wicks is that the average woman/man here is not seeing enough daylight at the end of a week where they work their sacks off all week trying to pay bills and put food on the table and both parents often working (if you have a relative to help coz we all know childcare aint an option) so by the time the week ends you get left with very little money and very little time before you go again the next week.
Is that a good quality of life? Or is it existing?

And that's where the entire thing breaks down in Ireland, imo. It's not the property tax or the huge rents or general taxation or the high variable interest rates on our mortgages etc, but it's just a combination of everything that has resulted in the common family finding themselves working to live, more-so working to exist.

So while it could be worse, it should be better. But hey, I'm coming across as "entitled" now.

down with you wanting improvements, anything important that could be fixed or improved, shouldn't be.

Johngoose · 21-12-2016 01:14AM

I think a lot of foreign nationals are leaving here because of the high rents and house prices.Working on a low income salary is not an option here anymore. Irish people themselves often are choosing to work abroad rather than here and when they leave they are in no hurry back, so that speaks volumes to me.

Skommando · 21-12-2016 01:14AM

darlett wrote: »

Anecdotally worse. I've seen larger groups of homeless in all of them than I've seen in Dublin.

Stats then as you wish.
Indonesia 1.36%
Australia 0.43%
USA 0.18%
Ireland 0.09%

Malaysia and Singapore not available, most likely for a reason of total apathy.

As mentioned. Unpopularity=Unemployment.

Now for the 4th and final time as I'm tired of the oneway traffic of information from me to you, tell me the countries you are familiar with and feel we can learn who better provide for homelessness.

Antidotes ? :rolleyes:

Where's the sources for those figures ?

So it's a giant conspiracy theory. Even the Irish government and politicians don't have the dishonesty to pretend there isn't a homeless crisis in Ireland.

Johngoose · 21-12-2016 01:17AM

What is so great about Ireland that it merits paying €400,000 for a very average house in our capital city and €300,000 for same in Galway or Cork?

Skommando · 21-12-2016 01:20AM

Johngoose wrote: »

What is so great about Ireland that it merits paying €400,000 for a very average house in our capital city and €300,000 for same in Galway or Cork?

that's what happens when you think a sustainable economic strategy involves moving everyone and everything in a country to one city.

darlett · 21-12-2016 01:40AM

Skommando wrote: »

Antidotes ? :rolleyes:

Where's the sources for those figures ?

So it's a giant conspiracy theory. Even the Irish government and politicians don't have the dishonesty to pretend there isn't a homeless crisis in Ireland.

You have nothing to contribute beyond this then? Sorry to have engaged and sought actual solutions from you.

Antidotes ? :rolleyes: ??? The word was anecdotally...Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis. Based on that which I have seen over a period of time.

Which is why I reverted to stats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

Yes wiki. So that'll get another set sarcastic eyes. Find me stats which dispute it if you think they are off the mark.

Giant conspiracy theory? Thats your words. Pop stars rightly disgusted by homelessness make valiant efforts to reduce it and make statement to the effect that it is crisis. The first politician to claim its not a crisis will be shown a living breeding account of homelessness and be asked to say its not a crisis. Not an argument that will win any popularity/political contest is it.

Why in sods name are you so reluctant to tell us the lessons we can learn from the countries which rate better than us. You are frustrating to deal with. You have the answers but keep them to yourself. Shocking.

Bigus · 21-12-2016 02:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Our quality of living is amongst the best on the planet.

We are healthy and wealthy for the most part.

Any health system has problems.
If you are sick in this country you will generally get appropriate care.

Well I must say I think the irish healthcare system is world class, due to my recent experience.

Irish A+E , had me on a trolley and saved my life within 13 mins of me presenting to them by car. Healthcare system in Ireland is fanatastic if you're really fücked which is really the way it should be.

I think the media in Ireland overplay and over talk everything.

Being on a trolley for 12 or 15 hrs is not necessarily a bad thing if there's a team of people constantly working on you , saving your life, trying different procedures with a team of deducted irish doctors and consultants.

getting to the bed ward is rehab , not first line of defence.

So fûck Eamonn Doran and his weekly trolley stats , because a trolley is where you want to be for action.., mobility and fast response,multiple disciplines on call to help you live , seriously, wards and beds are for recovery not fixes.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 09:39AM

Saipanne wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

Just for pig iron I put in the minimum wage in Guangdong province, (where the infamous foxconn plant is based) which is 1,895RMB a month or 22,740 RMB a year. This wage would be paid to the most menial of factory workers. This puts the worker in the top 21% of the richest people in the world. I assume you would also turn around to them and tell them "Put in your salary. Be grateful for what you read"

What an incredibly stupid assumption. You could read this thread and see why I wouldn't say that.

But please don't let me stop you from joining the others in complaining about the rain, and how impossible it is to do outdoors activities, ignoring the tens of thousands of us who do this every weekend in this beautiful country.

I never said that

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 09:49AM

Deedsie wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

We get too smug in these threads comparing ourselves to third world countries. We have a high cost of living (Dublin sits at the top of European rental prices in between London and Paris), poor public services, drastically outdated infrastructure and low wages. That gives most people a lack of disposable income and forces them into long commutes. Our climate isn't great, the no natural disasters is a complete farce as we have had numerous serious floods in the last decade, not a high death toll (was there any?) but how many people die from natural disasters in the western world every year? It's hardly much of a brag. At the end of the day we have a climate that at best makes outdoor activity uncomfortable and at worst impossible for most of the year. Compare that to France where a huge portion of the population can spend 3 months on the beach every year.

That's what you said, it's still nonsense

The rain makes outdoor activity uncomfortable, that's a nonsense?

TimeToShine · 21-12-2016 10:15AM

I don't think people realize just how big a contributor to the sub-standard quality of life the weather is. Spending 75% of the year cooped up in either your house or the pub, to me at least, really isn't an indicator of a high standard of living. Living somewhere like California or New York would really open your eyes with regards to how badly the weather spoils the fun here.

suicide_circus · 21-12-2016 10:17AM

Awful. If it's not homelessness it's rape culture. Shame on you all. SHAME.

murpho999 · 21-12-2016 10:48AM

TimeToShine wrote: »

I don't think people realize just how big a contributor to the sub-standard quality of life the weather is. Spending 75% of the year cooped up in either your house or the pub, to me at least, really isn't an indicator of a high standard of living. Living somewhere like California or New York would really open your eyes with regards to how badly the weather spoils the fun here.

This is total rubbish.

I run and cycle all year round and it's hardly ever stopped by weather. We may not get the hot summers of other countries but our weather is no where as bad as people make out.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 10:56AM

Deedsie wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

The rain makes outdoor activity uncomfortable, that's a nonsense?

The contention that Irish rain makes outdoor activities more uncomfortable than rain in other countries is just bizarre. Have you statistics on rainfall to back up your argument.

It rains less in Dublin than many other Western European cities.

Dublin, one of the driest parts of Ireland, on average rains 191 days of the year or 52% of the time. Cork, the second city, rains 204 days of the year or 56% of the time.
http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/1981-2010/dublin.html

In contrast London, rains 109 days a year, or 29% of the time. Paris is 115 days of the year or 31% of the time. Amsterdam rains 132 days at 36%. Berlin is 101 days at 27%. Stockholm is 100 also at 27%. Olso is 77 days at 21%. Madrid is 59 at 16%.

I obviously never said Irish rain is more uncomfortable, it just rains a lot more here.

wherearemykeys · 21-12-2016 11:08AM

The weather can be a pain, but i wouldn't say it affects our quality of life. Its not something we can "fix" anyway. We just have to work around it. If you allow the weather to affect your quality of life then thats a problem.

namloc1980 · 21-12-2016 11:12AM

snotboogie wrote: »

The rain makes outdoor activity uncomfortable, that's a nonsense?

Yeah it is. We don't have round the clock rain all year around. You won't melt in a bit of rain.

murpho999 · 21-12-2016 11:16AM

snotboogie wrote: »

Dublin, one of the driest parts of Ireland, on average rains 191 days of the year or 52% of the time. Cork, the second city, rains 204 days of the year or 56% of the time.
http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/1981-2010/dublin.html

In contrast London, rains 109 days a year, or 29% of the time. Paris is 115 days of the year or 31% of the time. Amsterdam rains 132 days at 36%. Berlin is 101 days at 27%. Stockholm is 100 also at 27%. Olso is 77 days at 21%. Madrid is 59 at 16%.

I obviously never said Irish rain is more uncomfortable, it just rains a lot more here.

Hold on, most of those days are less than 0.2m which is nothing.

It could rain for a few minutes in the middle of the night and be dry the whole day for that stat to happen.

Days where it's just raining all day are quite rare.

namloc1980 · 21-12-2016 11:16AM

snotboogie wrote: »

Dublin, one of the driest parts of Ireland, on average rains 191 days of the year or 52% of the time. Cork, the second city, rains 204 days of the year or 56% of the time.
http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/1981-2010/dublin.html

In contrast London, rains 109 days a year, or 29% of the time. Paris is 115 days of the year or 31% of the time. Amsterdam rains 132 days at 36%. Berlin is 101 days at 27%. Stockholm is 100 also at 27%. Olso is 77 days at 21%. Madrid is 59 at 16%.

I obviously never said Irish rain is more uncomfortable, it just rains a lot more here.

I guarantee if we were living in Oslo and Stockholm there'd be moaning about the snow and ice, or moaning about the heat in Madrid.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 11:33AM

murpho999 wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

Dublin, one of the driest parts of Ireland, on average rains 191 days of the year or 52% of the time. Cork, the second city, rains 204 days of the year or 56% of the time.
http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/1981-2010/dublin.html

In contrast London, rains 109 days a year, or 29% of the time. Paris is 115 days of the year or 31% of the time. Amsterdam rains 132 days at 36%. Berlin is 101 days at 27%. Stockholm is 100 also at 27%. Olso is 77 days at 21%. Madrid is 59 at 16%.

I obviously never said Irish rain is more uncomfortable, it just rains a lot more here.

Hold on, most of those days are less than 0.2m which is nothing.

It could rain for a few minutes in the middle of the night and be dry the whole day for that stat to happen.

Days where it's just raining all day are quite rare.

No they are not, all of the days are over .2mm, 129 of the 191 are over 1mm.

pauliebdub · 21-12-2016 11:36AM

It's good, better than the vast majority of countries and great if you live outside Dublin. It's not without its problems though.

TimeToShine · 21-12-2016 11:42AM

murpho999 wrote: »

This is total rubbish.

I run and cycle all year round and it's hardly ever stopped by weather. We may not get the hot summers of other countries but our weather is no where as bad as people make out.

I’m not talking about running or cycling. I spend plenty of my time outdoors but I wouldn’t consider exercise and hiking as factors in the standard of life argument that’s being discussed here. People who do that do it no matter what the weather. Furthermore, I don’t think it’s fair for you to use anecdotal evidence to back up your opinions.

I’m talking about lounging, going to the park with friends, amusement parks, going for a stroll with your family with the buggy, things that you can do on a whim because the weather is not an issue. Things that Irish people pay thousands of euro to experience two weeks of… the kind of weather that we get a few days of in the summer that has us raving like lunatics in shorts and sunglasses and gets every media outlet in the country talking. There is a world of difference between that and the middle-aged man/woman going for a run in the "perfectly grand" cloudy 8 degrees and thinking that the weather doesn’t impact their schedule.

I understand why you’d want to defend your lifestyle here though. Nobody likes to admit that they’re wrong, that the type of life they’ve chosen (given all of the options available to us as Irish passport holders) isn’t close to the best, but if you can’t grasp that the weather in this country is one of its worst aspects there really isn’t anything else to discuss here.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 12:07PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

murpho999 wrote: »

This is total rubbish.

I run and cycle all year round and it's hardly ever stopped by weather. We may not get the hot summers of other countries but our weather is no where as bad as people make out.

I’m not talking about running or cycling. I spend plenty of my time outdoors but I wouldn’t consider exercise and hiking as factors in the standard of life argument that’s being discussed here. People who do that do it no matter what the weather. Furthermore, I don’t think it’s fair for you to use anecdotal evidence to back up your opinions.

I’m talking about lounging, going to the park with friends, amusement parks, going for a stroll with your family with the buggy, things that you can do on a whim because the weather is not an issue. Things that Irish people pay thousands of euro to experience two weeks of… the kind of weather that we get a few days of in the summer that has us raving like lunatics in shorts and sunglasses and gets every media outlet in the country talking. There is a world of difference between that and the middle-aged man/woman going for a run in the "perfectly grand" cloudy 8 degrees and thinking that the weather doesn’t impact their schedule.

I understand why you’d want to defend your lifestyle here though. Nobody likes to admit that they’re wrong, that the type of life they’ve chosen (given all of the options available to us as Irish passport holders) isn’t close to the best, but if you can’t grasp that the weather in this country is one of its worst aspects there really isn’t anything else to discuss here.

And it's not just the rain, Dublin averages a mere 1447 hours of sunshine a month. Compare that to the table below:
2769 Madrid
1821 Stockholm
1668 Oslo
1662 Amsterdam
1661 Paris
1632 London
1625 Berlin

seamus · 21-12-2016 12:13PM

snotboogie wrote: »

No they are not, all of the days are over .2mm, 129 of the 191 are over 1mm.

1mm of rain is not a lot.

Only 42 days are over 5mm of rain - that's a proper rainy day. 1-4mm of rain is barely anything. In fact that's how much fell in the east yesterday and it didn't have any real impact on being able to get out and about.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 12:19PM

seamus wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

No they are not, all of the days are over .2mm, 129 of the 191 are over 1mm.

1mm of rain is not a lot.

Only 42 days are over 5mm of rain - that's a proper rainy day. 1-4mm of rain is barely anything. In fact that's how much fell in the east yesterday and it didn't have any real impact on being able to get out and about.

It's completely dependent on how the rain falls, Met Éireann define a "Wet" days as one where at least 1.0mm of rainfall is recorded in 24hrs.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 12:22PM

Deedsie wrote: »

TimeToShine wrote: »

I’m not talking about running or cycling. I spend plenty of my time outdoors but I wouldn’t consider exercise and hiking as factors in the standard of life argument that’s being discussed here. People who do that do it no matter what the weather. Furthermore, I don’t think it’s fair for you to use anecdotal evidence to back up your opinions.

I’m talking about lounging, going to the park with friends, amusement parks, going for a stroll with your family with the buggy, things that you can do on a whim because the weather is not an issue. Things that Irish people pay thousands of euro to experience two weeks of… the kind of weather that we get a few days of in the summer that has us raving like lunatics in shorts and sunglasses and gets every media outlet in the country talking. There is a world of difference between that and the middle-aged man/woman going for a run in the "perfectly grand" cloudy 8 degrees and thinking that the weather doesn’t impact their schedule.

I understand why you’d want to defend your lifestyle here though. Nobody likes to admit that they’re wrong, that the type of life they’ve chosen (given all of the options available to us as Irish passport holders) isn’t close to the best, but if you can’t grasp that the weather in this country is one of its worst aspects there really isn’t anything else to discuss here.

Name us 10 better places to live than Ireland. Just 10, it shouldn't be hard if living in Ireland isn't close to the best place to choose to live.

The UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Austria. That's just in Europe off the top of my head.

seamus · 21-12-2016 12:23PM

snotboogie wrote: »

It's completely dependent on how the rain falls, Met Éireann define a "Wet" days as one where at least 1.0mm of rainfall is recorded in 24hrs.

Exactly. And 1mm of rain, even 4mm of rain over a 24 hour period, is not by any stretch a horrible wet day.

snotboogie · 21-12-2016 12:27PM

Deedsie wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

The UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Austria. That's just in Europe off the top of my head.

And do you live in any of them? If not, why not?

I lived abroad for most of my 20's, I have family in Ireland and have responsibilities to them which require me to live here.

How would you rate the quality of life in Ireland?

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