Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

statto25 · 20-12-2016 07:30PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Anyhow anybody care to offer any suggestions as to any new faces that we're likely to see in action come the FBD league?

Hoping to see some of last year's crop of All Ireland under 21 winners...

Matthew Flanagan,David Kenny,Stephen Coen from what I recall saw action last year and I'd love to see Seamus Cunniffe,Michael Plunkett,Shairoze Akram,Brian Reape and most especially Matthew Ruane get some game time.

I am sure Michael Hall will see some game time. Conor Loftus is certainly the other stand out member of the team alongside Matthew Ruane.

I heard Liam Irwin from Breaffy is involved also so might get a run in January.

seligehgit · 20-12-2016 07:34PM

mayo.mick wrote: »

Flannagan looked solid between the sticks I thought last year below in Ballina against Sligo IT. Would like to see those lads you named get a run out myself.

Yes I thought he was very solid that day,good under the high ball with a very good kick out.From what I've seen of him he's not prone to any calamitous errors of judgement.

He appears to be in a very strong position to be the long term successor to David Clarke.There's a lad togging out for Castleknock(Morven Connolly) and he's supposed to be very decent.I don't know what part of the county he's from?

Cartman78 · 20-12-2016 07:52PM

Robeman wrote: »

I will return to this post after the league and next December.

This board will still be here probably with 30,000 posts

Is there any scenario in which you would be happy and/or stop writing drivel about egos?

eg. If AOS lifts Sam above his head in Croke Park next September will you still be crapping on about how he should be dropped for being an "ego"???

BENDYBINN · 20-12-2016 08:21PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Is there any scenario in which you would be happy and/or stop writing drivel about egos?

eg. If AOS lifts Sam above his head in Croke Park next September will you still be crapping on about how he should be dropped for being an "ego"???

In fairness the egos are calling the shots
This needs to be sorted
It is what it is

km79 · 20-12-2016 09:10PM

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/why-there-was-nothing-shocking/106870?utm_content=bufferc2ed7&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
An alternative view

TCDStudent1 · 20-12-2016 09:14PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The article said that the O'Sheas lobbied for Hennelly to be the goalkeeper back in spring 2015 because they preferred his kickouts.

We have no idea if that is even true, all we have are the words of two ousted managers.

Now people are jumping to the conclusion that the O'Sheas were responsible for the keeper change in the final.

If I recall the talk some time after the final was that it was Tony McEntee that was the originator of the keeper change idea, that theory is far more believable than the O'Sheas theory.

That's what selectors are for after all.

The O'Sé theory regarding the final was very strongly rumoured once it became clear Hennelly was starting. On a pre-match interview with the Sunday Game, Cora Staunton also alluded to "the Breaffy connection" having a bearing on Hennelly starting. Since H & C have said that the O'Sé's asked for Hennelly to start a year earlier, it does add substance to the rumour they did the same again this year. Anyway, it is all just speculation.....

The problem with Mayo is not management or their attitude. It is just that they lack 1, maybe 2 quality forwards in their forward-line. From 1 - 9, they are arguably better than Dublin. However, from 10 - 15, there is a serious issue. Whoever is Mayo manager will not magically conjure up the kind of forward that you are missing.

seligehgit · 20-12-2016 09:27PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

The O'Sé theory regarding the final was very strongly rumoured once it became clear Hennelly was starting. On a pre-match interview with the Sunday Game, Cora Staunton also alluded to "the Breaffy connection" having a bearing on Hennelly starting. Since H & C have said that the O'Sé's asked for Hennelly to start a year earlier, it does add substance to the rumour they did the same again this year. Anyway, it is all just speculation.....

The problem with Mayo is not management or their attitude. It is just that they lack 1, maybe 2 quality forwards in their forward-line. From 1 - 9, they are arguably better than Dublin. However, from 10 - 15, there is a serious issue. Whoever is Mayo manager will not magically conjure up the kind of forward that you are missing.

Yip it all comes down us unearthing a couple of match winning forwards as has been the issue for time eternal. That's the crux of our failure to win an All Ireland.

Dyr · 20-12-2016 09:46PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Keegan was given a black card in the replay for a non-black card offence. I don't see how you can try to argue that as a negative for your own county.

If lane had blown on bastick, l

Y'see I knew you were going to respond like that. County coloured glasses on, blinkers up. The ref didn't miss anything when it came to us, sure we're no good at fouling. He gave us nothing, same every other ref. Only for Denis Bastick/Bertie Ahern/Oul Mr Brennan we would have won

Same ould excuses. Over and over. Have Mayo won once in their last 10 games against Dublin?

km79 wrote: »

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/why-there-was-nothing-shocking/106870?utm_content=bufferc2ed7&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
An alternative view

I suppose the view of a gob****e who happens to be buddies with the players in question could be described as "alternative" alright

Did Wolly address the fact that the letter is all the evidence anyone needs to see what the problem is in Mayo? Players demanding management be sacked and a veto on who is appointed as next manager. Total madness.

Always_Running · 20-12-2016 10:04PM

The problem with Mayo is not management or their attitude. It is just that they lack 1, maybe 2 quality forwards in their forward-line. From 1 - 9, they are arguably better than Dublin. However, from 10 - 15, there is a serious issue. Whoever is Mayo manager will not magically conjure up the kind of forward that you are missing.

In Mayos most recent AI finals they have scored 0-15 and 1-14 twice, those totals should be good enough to win any final if you are solid defensively.

Who ever plays in goal isn't better than Dublins no 1. Do Mayo have defenders in the full back line as good as McMahon or Cooper? O Sullivan,McCarthy and returning mccaffrey are more than a match for Mayo half back line.

Mayo have plenty of decent midfield options but were any of them as good as Fenton was the last two years?

Stoner · 21-12-2016 12:15AM

Mayos issue is a standard enough one in football IMO. I've seen two Dublin teams with the same so called issues, not enough forwards but the "best halfback line in the country " etc . A lot of it is BS , back when you'd draw with Kerry or lose to Armagh by a point or back further to early 90's when the northern teams would beat us by a point or two.
Thing is looking back we didn't have the best halfback line , we didn't have a team that played as a team. It's the same with mayo now IMO. Someone like Lee Keegan to me seems focused or over focused if you get me on making sure his man doesn't score. I get the impression that means too much to him to fit a healthy team ethic. I like everything I read from Lee himself, but to me it's a leadership issue from the individuals to the management. For example if what I hear about AOS from some mayo people I know is true, for me he's too big for the team imo.

I do however think that the selection issues that popped up this year might bring some reality to the situation.

While I agree that mayo could do with a forward or two, they could also do with some inspirational match winners in their backs and midfield, lads who can read a game better and manage the momentum of a game. Too many times AOS has been bunched for the last quarter. I've never seen mayo finish with their best team in the big games. Keegan should help the midfield out more imo instead of being glued to his man, he has it in him to step it up at crucial times in the game.

Plus if Mayo's current forwards spent less time defending and more time attacking it would make life harder for the backline. For example Gooch or B Brogan never put the defensive shift in that the mayo forwards, it allows them to be in the right place at the right time, I sometimes think that the right place for a mayo forwards to be is always no more than one play away from winning the ball back. It does help the defensive stats though.

There's a balance there all right and it's early days for this management team, but all this recent crap in the papers is no good for mayo football, who should realistically be looking at beating a tired Dublin team this year on the normal balance of things , they need to do it before Kerry rebuild again. Something similar again to Dublin's win in 1995, good enough at the right time in-between a couple of other good teams and I'd imagine that this mayo team would fall away if they did win it this year.

TCDStudent1 · 21-12-2016 12:33AM

Always_Running wrote: »

In Mayos most recent AI finals they have scored 0-15 and 1-14 twice, those totals should be good enough to win any final if you are solid defensively.

Who ever plays in goal isn't better than Dublins no 1. Do Mayo have defenders in the full back line as good as McMahon or Cooper? O Sullivan,McCarthy and returning mccaffrey are more than a match for Mayo half back line.

Mayo have plenty of decent midfield options but were any of them as good as Fenton was the last two years?

I did say arguably.

You could just as easily say that Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, Durkan, Harrisson, Parsons would compete for a place on that Dublin team. They certainly would not be far off in my opinion.

I dont think McLoughlin, Doherty, Moran would be anywhere near the Dublin team. Aidan O'Sé wouldnt be either based on this year's displays. If I was Dublin manager, the only Mayo forward I would like to have is Diarmuid O'Connor.

koochie · 21-12-2016 12:42AM

Kauto wrote: »

Robeman is obviously related to one of the two gimps.

He seems to have good sources alright, and probably knows more than he can disclose.
But you must be related to one of the 'egos' (haha)

seligehgit · 21-12-2016 12:47AM

Stoner wrote: »

Mayos issue is a standard enough one in football IMO. I've seen two Dublin teams with the same so called issues, not enough forwards but the "best halfback line in the country " etc . A lot of it is BS , back when you'd draw with Kerry or lose to Armagh by a point or back further to early 90's when the northern teams would beat us by a point or two.
Thing is looking back we didn't have the best halfback line , we didn't have a team that played as a team. It's the same with mayo now IMO. Someone like Lee Keegan to me seems focused or over focused if you get me on making sure his man doesn't score. I get the impression that means too much to him to fit a healthy team ethic. I like everything I read from Lee himself, but to me it's a leadership issue from the individuals to the management. For example if what I hear about AOS from some mayo people I know is true, for me he's too big for the team imo.

I do however think that the selection issues that popped up this year might bring some reality to the situation.

While I agree that mayo could do with a forward or two, they could also do with some inspirational match winners in their backs and midfield, lads who can read a game better and manage the momentum of a game. Too many times AOS has been bunched for the last quarter. I've never seen mayo finish with their best team in the big games. Keegan should help the midfield out more imo instead of being glued to his man, he has it in him to step it up at crucial times in the game.

Plus if Mayo's current forwards spent less time defending and more time attacking it would make life harder for the backline. For example Gooch or B Brogan never put the defensive shift in that the mayo forwards, it allows them to be in the right place at the right time, I sometimes think that the right place for a mayo forwards to be is always no more than one play away from winning the ball back. It does help the defensive stats though.

There's a balance there all right and it's early days for this management team, but all this recent crap in the papers is no good for mayo football, who should realistically be looking at beating a tired Dublin team this year on the normal balance of things , they need to do it before Kerry rebuild again. Something similar again to Dublin's win in 1995, good enough at the right time in-between a couple of other good teams and I'd imagine that this mayo team would fall away if they did win it this year.

The reason the Mayo forwards have spent so much time defending is the perception that there's a soft centre in the Mayo defence that has been exposed in previous big encounters that needs to be plugged.The dogs on the street belief that Dublin at present are unbeatable if you go man to man against them.

Anybody got an update on Ger Cafferkey's rehabilitation?I saw him performing maor uisce duties for Ballina in a club match v Mitchels shortly after the All Ireland final replay.

seligehgit · 21-12-2016 12:53AM

Stoner wrote: »

Mayos issue is a standard enough one in football IMO. I've seen two Dublin teams with the same so called issues, not enough forwards but the "best halfback line in the country " etc . A lot of it is BS , back when you'd draw with Kerry or lose to Armagh by a point or back further to early 90's when the northern teams would beat us by a point or two.
Thing is looking back we didn't have the best halfback line , we didn't have a team that played as a team. It's the same with mayo now IMO. Someone like Lee Keegan to me seems focused or over focused if you get me on making sure his man doesn't score. I get the impression that means too much to him to fit a healthy team ethic. I like everything I read from Lee himself, but to me it's a leadership issue from the individuals to the management. For example if what I hear about AOS from some mayo people I know is true, for me he's too big for the team imo.

I do however think that the selection issues that popped up this year might bring some reality to the situation.

While I agree that mayo could do with a forward or two, they could also do with some inspirational match winners in their backs and midfield, lads who can read a game better and manage the momentum of a game. Too many times AOS has been bunched for the last quarter. I've never seen mayo finish with their best team in the big games. Keegan should help the midfield out more imo instead of being glued to his man, he has it in him to step it up at crucial times in the game.

Plus if Mayo's current forwards spent less time defending and more time attacking it would make life harder for the backline. For example Gooch or B Brogan never put the defensive shift in that the mayo forwards, it allows them to be in the right place at the right time, I sometimes think that the right place for a mayo forwards to be is always no more than one play away from winning the ball back. It does help the defensive stats though.

There's a balance there all right and it's early days for this management team, but all this recent crap in the papers is no good for mayo football, who should realistically be looking at beating a tired Dublin team this year on the normal balance of things , they need to do it before Kerry rebuild again. Something similar again to Dublin's win in 1995, good enough at the right time in-between a couple of other good teams and I'd imagine that this mayo team would fall away if they did win it this year.

TBH Stoner why should tiredness enter the equation for the Dublin team?They've played only a few more matches than the Mayo's and Kerry's of this world in the past couple of years.

There may be a mental fatigue but this team is highly motivated and have new players coming though with McCaffrey's return an added bonus.I'm only hoping they won't have quite the same ravenous hunger to win the All Ireland this year.

Always_Running · 21-12-2016 01:33AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I did say arguably.

You could just as easily say that Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, Durkan, Harrisson, Parsons would compete for a place on that Dublin team. They certainly would not be far off in my opinion.

I dont think McLoughlin, Doherty, Moran would be anywhere near the Dublin team. Aidan O'Sé wouldnt be either based on this year's displays. If I was Dublin manager, the only Mayo forward I would like to have is Diarmuid O'Connor.

Keegan yes and Parsons maybe. Boyle,Higgins perhaps a year or two ago but not now when past their best. Durcan,Harrison just held down a starting spot on the Mayo senior team this year.

On form the Dublin half forward line is the strongest line in Ireland and Dublin have better scoring forwards on the bench than Diarmuid O Connor.

casscass4444 · 21-12-2016 02:58AM

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Fr Tod Umptious · 21-12-2016 06:11AM

casscass4444 wrote: »

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Great draw you got there.

Maybe you could buy your ass some punctuation lessons with the proceeds.

corny · 21-12-2016 07:45AM

Stoner wrote: »

Plus if Mayo's current forwards spent less time defending and more time attacking it would make life harder for the backline. For example Gooch or B Brogan never put the defensive shift in that the mayo forwards, it allows them to be in the right place at the right time, I sometimes think that the right place for a mayo forwards to be is always no more than one play away from winning the ball back. It does help the defensive stats though.

You'd probably find the two sets of forwards work just as hard during games....cover the same amount of ground etc. The big difference for me is Dublin always seem more economical with their work. Cillian O' Connor never stops running when the opposition has the ball. Its admirable and very tough to play against but as you say eventually he does have to run back into position when Mayo get the ball. Andrews, Brogan, Rock will chase if the ball is in their zone or their man gets away but you'll never see Dublin without a forward option when they secure a turnover.

I think its true of some of the Mayo backs too. Colm Boyle will run through walls for you he's that committed but after 45 minutes in both games he had his hands in his head and looked visibly tired.

I think there's a calmness about Dublin that comes from winning. Its the biggest single factor in their extended dominance. All these one point wins, two point wins (never one point loses) etc don't come about because A has a marginally better left foot or B can run half a kilometre faster than the opposition. By comparison, Mayo, by virtue of all the close losses, can just get a bit desperate in trying to force the game.

Flange/Flanders · 21-12-2016 09:15AM

I know it was a 1 sided suggestion but if there is any substance to the notion that the o Sheas had any influence on match and squad selection, they have to be put in their place. I wouldn't accept that on a junior c club team never mind a senior intercounty team. The management should have total authority with regard to squad decisions.

TCDStudent1 · 21-12-2016 10:24AM

Always_Running wrote: »

Keegan yes and Parsons maybe. Boyle,Higgins perhaps a year or two ago but not now when past their best. Durcan,Harrison just held down a starting spot on the Mayo senior team this year.

On form the Dublin half forward line is the strongest line in Ireland and Dublin have better scoring forwards on the bench than Diarmuid O Connor.

If Dublin have such superior players to Mayo, how is it that Mayo have drawn with them twice in the past 2 years?

Stoner · 21-12-2016 10:49AM

seligehgit wrote:

There may be a mental fatigue but this team is highly motivated and have new players coming though with McCaffrey's return an added bonus.I'm only hoping they won't have quite the same ravenous hunger to win the All Ireland this year.

I agree, that's a better way of putting it.

Statistically it should be easier to beat a team going for two in a row, I'd imagine that three in a row will be less of a motivation for them since no 2 in a row was a stick to beat this team with. 2017 might be closer to 2012 in Dublin's mindset.

The other side of it from Mayo's perspective is that Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone all look less impressive than this time last year, for example mayo should beat Kerry this year, and let's face it, Mayo's barriers have been Kerry and Dublin.

Jaden · 21-12-2016 10:58AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

If Dublin have such superior players to Mayo, how is it that Mayo have drawn with them twice in the past 2 years?

It's not that their players are miles ahead of Mayo as individuals, it's that they play as a team substantially better.

* Dublin have better players. Not by as much as some people think, but they have a glut of scoring forwards, something Mayo have a massive lack of.

* Dublin have a better management system. In the last 4 years, Dublin have had 3 SAMs, Mayo have had 3 management teams.

* Dublin are a team, Mayo's cohesiveness is a major talking point.

In 10 competitive games since 2013, Mayo have failed to win a single game against Dublin. They are simply being dominated. Some of the margins were tight, no question, but consistently coming out on the wrong side of competitive contests should set alarm bells off.

MayoAreMagic · 21-12-2016 11:10AM

Jaden wrote: »

Oh go on, I'll bite.

Cooper charged in the back just after the goal. The action was deliberate, unprovoked and dangerous. Every single official looking directly at it. No doubt about who did it. No action whatsoever taken.

Cooper black carded about a minute later, the previous event clearly still on his mind.

Ah ffs.
First off, how is a late dunt when the ball was dead, a game changing incident? If that is the case then how many 'game changing incidents' did AOS have perpetrated against him over the two games?

Secondly, he got his deserved yellow card for it.

Thirdly, cooper was rolling around like he had a serious back injury, yet jumped on the next ball and burst up the pitch on a solo run! - Any Dublin fan who is any ways honest will admit that there was little wrong with him and he was just making the most of it - which I don't hold against him by the way, our guy was daft.

Finally. There is no excuse for tripping someone on purpose. It is laughable to that you try to paint cooper as the victim there. He deserved his black card. He is responsible for his own actions.

TCDStudent1 · 21-12-2016 11:12AM

Jaden wrote: »

It's not that their players are miles ahead of Mayo as individuals, it's that they play as a team substantially better.

* Dublin have better players. Not by as much as some people think, but they have a glut of scoring forwards, something Mayo have a massive lack of.

* Dublin have a better management system. In the last 4 years, Dublin have had 3 SAMs, Mayo have had 3 management teams.

* Dublin are a team, Mayo's cohesiveness is a major talking point.

In 10 competitive games since 2013, Mayo have failed to win a single game against Dublin. They are simply being dominated. Some of the margins were tight, no question, but consistently coming out on the wrong side of competitive contests should set alarm bells off.

Yes, I completely agree with all of that. I just wasn't very clear in getting my point across.

I still think the main difference between Mayo & Dublin is that Dublin have better forwards. Didnt realise they had played each other 10 times since 2013!

MayoAreMagic · 21-12-2016 11:16AM

Bambi wrote: »

Y'see I knew you were going to respond like that. County coloured glasses on, blinkers up. The ref didn't miss anything when it came to us, sure we're no good at fouling. He gave us nothing, same every other ref. Only for Denis Bastick/Bertie Ahern/Oul Mr Brennan we would have won

Same ould excuses. Over and over. Have Mayo won once in their last 10 games against Dublin?

Well I just indicated where you did in fact get a massive call go your way - one that if awarded, changes the end result unquestionably. I mean how much more cut and dried to you want it?

I don't get this grandstanding from some Dublin fans. A bit rant and rave about 'things not going there way', throw in some nonsense exaggeration about bertie ahern for good measure - while blatantly ignoring points that prove this claim to be wholly wrong - and then expect to be taken seriously. It is like a guy trying to make enough noise and not stop shouting as to not let anyone else speak, while he carefully backs out of a room. I mean, do you take people for idiots or what? It is about as covert as a double decker bus.

Stop being so biased towards your own team all the time. Too many Dublin fans seem to be Dublin gaa people, rather than just gaa people. You are doing your own county a dis-service with this behaviour.

Dyr · 21-12-2016 11:27AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well I just indicated where you did in fact get a massive call go your way - one that if awarded, changes the end result unquestionably. I mean how much more cut and dried to you want it?

I don't get this grandstanding from some Dublin fans. A bit rant and rave about 'things not going there way', throw in some nonsense exaggeration about bertie ahern for good measure - while blatantly ignoring points that prove this claim to be wholly wrong - and then expect to be taken seriously. It is like a guy trying to make enough noise and not stop shouting as to not let anyone else speak, while he carefully backs out of a room. I mean, do you take people for idiots or what? It is about as covert as a double decker bus.

Stop being so biased towards your own team all the time. Too many Dublin fans seem to be Dublin gaa people, rather than just gaa people.

Because its the same old same carry on, ignore the many decisions that went mayos way and then focus on one that would have "changed the game" for Mayo. You'll always get decisions for and against you in competitive finals. Mayo get off the hook with refs just as much as other big teams. But ignore that and think that Mayo would have won only for *insert excuse*. Repeat times ten since 2013 and never actually ask the hard question: why is it this team can't beat Dublin. Looks like some Mayo players prefer to make excuses too. Long may it continue BTW

Jaden · 21-12-2016 11:43AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Yes, I completely agree with all of that. I just wasn't very clear in getting my point across.

I still think the main difference between Mayo & Dublin is that Dublin have better forwards. Didnt realise they had played each other 10 times since 2013!

I'm inclined to agree with you. By good, I mean forwards who can put it where it counts with both feet. A large part of containing Aidan O'Shea for example, is that you just have to keep him on his weak side, and he can't shoot.

There is also the issue of the pressure to deliver the holy grail on Mayo in the last few years. I see Rochford as crucial to addressing this - but it's a hell of an ask, that is one huge monkey sitting on the backs of players.

MayoAreMagic · 21-12-2016 11:53AM

Bambi wrote: »

Because its the same old same carry on, ignore the many decisions that went mayos way and then focus on one that would have "changed the game" for Mayo. You'll always get decisions for and against you in competitive finals. Mayo get off the hook with refs just as much as other big teams. But ignore that and think that Mayo would have won only for *insert excuse*. Repeat times ten since 2013 and never actually ask the hard question: why is it this team can't beat Dublin. Looks like some Mayo players prefer to make excuses too. Long may it continue BTW

But, again, you aren't offering any specific game changing decisions that went for mayo - which is what the conversation was about and which you were taking issue with. You just keep referencing the cliché about decisions going for and against you. While I agree that that in general, this point was about a specific game.

Funnily enough, I didn't hear many dub fans saying you will get decisions for and against you when Dublin lost in 2012. I didn't hear many Dublin fans stating same when Connolly got sent off in 2013. Can you explain that double standard please?

Robeman · 21-12-2016 12:03PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Is there any scenario in which you would be happy and/or stop writing drivel about egos?

eg. If AOS lifts Sam above his head in Croke Park next September will you still be crapping on about how he should be dropped for being an "ego"???

If go go back and read the senarios then you will see what I will do in this situation.

One thing I will never do again is write on this Board. I will retire in shame.

On the other hand what will you do if once again next year this "ego" dominated panel wins nothing.

Will you reconsider you current views.

Jaden · 21-12-2016 12:05PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Ah ffs. First off, how is a late dunt when the ball was dead, a game changing incident?

It was a straight red card offence. Mayo should have had 14 men on the pitch from there on. It was deliberate, unprovoked and dangerous. Setting out to flatten a guy who doesn't see you coming, for no reason, other than the fact that you can, is at the very, very least a black card, and well justifiable as a red.

You may disagree, that's OK. But Mayo got away with this, swings and roundabouts. Switch the colour of the Jerseys for this incident, and I could see the terms "Thuggish" and "Assault" being bandied about.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Secondly, he got his deserved yellow card for it.

He got away with a yellow.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Thirdly, cooper was rolling around like he had a serious back injury, yet jumped on the next ball and burst up the pitch on a solo run! - Any Dublin fan who is any ways honest will admit that there was little wrong with him and he was just making the most of it - which I don't hold against him by the way, our guy was daft.

He was down for, I think nearly 4 minutes. Enough time to recover from the initial bang. But yeah, I thought it was odd they way he took off too, given how long he'd stayed down. I can only assume the sponge used by the Physio was wrapped in rosary beads from knock.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Finally. There is no excuse for tripping someone on purpose. It is laughable to that you try to paint cooper as the victim there. He deserved his black card. He is responsible for his own actions.

Absolutely agreed, Coopers card was the correct call. I'm not excusing what he did, you misunderstand, I'm attempting to provide a context. Looking at specific incidents in isolation is sometimes not the most enlightening thing to do. I think it fair to conclude that getting flattened one moment in a game is going to affect your temperament, at least in the short term. But every player is responsible for marshalling himself in these situations. No-one else is accountable, the failing is his, and his alone.

This in no way whatsoever excuses or justifies his subsequent actions. It would have been unjust if he hadn't have walked.

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