kilns wrote: » He consistently under performs on the big occassion for Mayo but the difference is would he ever be dropped? He should have been for the replay imo. Who is Dublins most high profile player in the media - Bernard Brogan. JG had no qualms dropping him for the good of the team because he was not performing
Poor_old_gill wrote: » Lads the horror that some seem to be expressing upon reading criticism of Aidan O Shea is almost as dramatic as that of a modern day impression of a Victorian woman. The lad has a lot of talent and has been threatening to scale the heights for a few years yet has not kicked on. This can be due to several factors but I'd imagine the many distractions/image building endeavours that he allows himself get caught up in cant help. This kind of criticism of underutilised talent happens in every country, in every sport.
Jaden wrote: » If you don't wish to consider the action on Cooper as Cynical, and ergo a black card, so be it.
Jaden wrote: » If going strictly by the rules, I feel that this is relevant.5.17 To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
Jaden wrote: » You may not feel the same way. You seem to have discounted the incident as neither dangerous or cynical. I would disagree, and see a very, very strong case for either, if not both.
Jaden wrote: » I'll put it a different way, if a black card had been issued, would you think that unjust?
Jaden wrote: » That's not an assumption, that's an opinion. You are taking conjecture and attempting to pass it as fact. Neither of us understand fully he did what he did.
kilns wrote: » What one referee decision directly stopped Mayo winning a trophy, you can not say if X player got a black card in a game Mayo would have won etc..... Unless Mayo had a legitimate goal or point ruled out the argument is invalid, there are too many variables to consider Referees have been fooled by Cillian OConnor for years with his diving so Mayo too have had the rub of the green from Referees
MayoAreMagic wrote: » kilns wrote: » To be fair the only cringe worthy thing is blaming forces outside of Mayos control for consistently losing. It is not the reason Nobody claims it is the reason why we aren't the best team in the country, we are pointing out that we would have won a trophy - there is a difference there. To be honest it is a fair observation for any objective gaa person. I think the way some Dublin fans seem to rage against this idea is what I find interesting. It seems to be down to an inability/unwillingness to give any other team any credit, if it means admitting that for a second, they weren't the better team or the best team or unmatched etc. Like consider this - their opponents should have had a free in front of the posts for a nailed on technical foul in the last second of the game. Yet not one Dublin poster has been able to admit even a bit of luck on their part, or that their opponents were unlucky. I mean alarm bells should be ringing there man. It is a strange quirk. It is reminiscent of that group of insufferable man utd fans that tended to not know that much about the team, or indeed football, but rather just jumped on their success and could see nothing else but their own team.
kilns wrote: » To be fair the only cringe worthy thing is blaming forces outside of Mayos control for consistently losing. It is not the reason
MayoAreMagic wrote: » More grandstanding. It was a shoulder after the ball was gone - that isn't a red card in the rulebook. The rulebook disagrees. You are trying to invent a rule here and attach buzzwords onto it for effect. I repeat, it was a yellow card offence in the rule book. Case closed.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Knock? Ravings. We can assume he was trying to get the guy in trouble by overplaying the incident and faking injury, he does this often. Again, I don't hold it against him, it was fair game.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » But then I can point to James McCarthy blocking every run Doherty made up to this point as a factor in his actions also. He is a victim here too :rolleyes::rolleyes:. The stuff some of you lads come out with is genuinely cringe-worthy.
Cartman78 wrote: » I'm assuming what every Mayo person on the planet wants is for the team to actually win the fupping thing in our lifetime.....99.9999% of us couldn't give a flying fcuk how this is achieved....every team has big personalities (or egos if you prefer)...if the manager/managers can't deal with these and harness the talent then they need to move on and let someone else do the job. Is Rochford the man for the job? The jury is still very much out at this point in time - obviously if we'd beaten Dublin or lost to the likes of Fermanagh then things would be a lot more clear cut. The recent media circus (and the debate on here) is sad to witness imho - Holmes and Connelly coming out in the media now achieves absolutely nothing. Sure, I can appreciate their hurt/anger but their actions now are purely self-serving. It seems that some people would prefer to be proved right in their conspiracy theories rather than see the current team win.
Godge wrote: » Doesn't this point only underline the points made by Holmes about Mayo players externalising the defeats and refusing to look at themselves? If the supporters and fans are doing likewise, there isn't much hope.
Godge wrote: » It is not just a Mayo thing. Think of all the hard luck stories, bad refereeing decisions etc. that afflicted Dublin from 1995 to 2011, when the reality was the players just weren't good enough.
Godge wrote: » Mayo aren't going to win an All-Ireland until their players and supporters stop whinging about referees and dirty opponents and instead turn their focus on to what they are doing themselves to change themselves, to improve players, to produce better players etc.
Robeman wrote: » Cartman78 wrote: » Is there any scenario in which you would be happy and/or stop writing drivel about egos? eg. If AOS lifts Sam above his head in Croke Park next September will you still be crapping on about how he should be dropped for being an "ego"??? If go go back and read the senarios then you will see what I will do in this situation. One thing I will never do again is write on this Board. I will retire in shame. On the other hand what will you do if once again next year this "ego" dominated panel wins nothing. Will you reconsider you current views.
Cartman78 wrote: » Is there any scenario in which you would be happy and/or stop writing drivel about egos? eg. If AOS lifts Sam above his head in Croke Park next September will you still be crapping on about how he should be dropped for being an "ego"???
MayoAreMagic wrote: » The stuff some of you lads come out with is genuinely cringe-worthy.
Jaden wrote: » It's not that their players are miles ahead of Mayo as individuals, it's that they play as a team substantially better. * Dublin have better players. Not by as much as some people think, but they have a glut of scoring forwards, something Mayo have a massive lack of. * Dublin have a better management system. In the last 4 years, Dublin have had 3 SAMs, Mayo have had 3 management teams. * Dublin are a team, Mayo's cohesiveness is a major talking point. In 10 competitive games since 2013, Mayo have failed to win a single game against Dublin. They are simply being dominated. Some of the margins were tight, no question, but consistently coming out on the wrong side of competitive contests should set alarm bells off.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well I just indicated where you did in fact get a massive call go your way - one that if awarded, changes the end result unquestionably. I mean how much more cut and dried to you want it?
km79 wrote: » https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/why-there-was-nothing-shocking/106870?utm_content=bufferc2ed7&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer An alternative view
Jaden wrote: » It was a straight red card offence. Mayo should have had 14 men on the pitch from there on. It was deliberate, unprovoked and dangerous. Setting out to flatten a guy who doesn't see you coming, for no reason, other than the fact that you can, is at the very, very least a black card, and well justifiable as a red.
Jaden wrote: » You may disagree, that's OK. But Mayo got away with this, swings and roundabouts. Switch the colour of the Jerseys for this incident, and I could see the terms "Thuggish" and "Assault" being bandied about.
Jaden wrote: » He was down for, I think nearly 4 minutes. Enough time to recover from the initial bang. But yeah, I thought it was odd they way he took off too, given how long he'd stayed down. I can only assume the sponge used by the Physio was wrapped in rosary beads from knock.
Jaden wrote: » Absolutely agreed, Coopers card was the correct call. I'm not excusing what he did, you misunderstand, I'm attempting to provide a context. Looking at specific incidents in isolation is sometimes not the most enlightening thing to do. I think it fair to conclude that getting flattened one moment in a game is going to affect your temperament, at least in the short term. But every player is responsible for marshalling himself in these situations. No-one else is accountable, the failing is his, and his alone. This in no way whatsoever excuses or justifies his subsequent actions. It would have been unjust if he hadn't have walked.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Ah ffs. First off, how is a late dunt when the ball was dead, a game changing incident?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Secondly, he got his deserved yellow card for it.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Thirdly, cooper was rolling around like he had a serious back injury, yet jumped on the next ball and burst up the pitch on a solo run! - Any Dublin fan who is any ways honest will admit that there was little wrong with him and he was just making the most of it - which I don't hold against him by the way, our guy was daft.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Finally. There is no excuse for tripping someone on purpose. It is laughable to that you try to paint cooper as the victim there. He deserved his black card. He is responsible for his own actions.
Bambi wrote: » Because its the same old same carry on, ignore the many decisions that went mayos way and then focus on one that would have "changed the game" for Mayo. You'll always get decisions for and against you in competitive finals. Mayo get off the hook with refs just as much as other big teams. But ignore that and think that Mayo would have won only for *insert excuse*. Repeat times ten since 2013 and never actually ask the hard question: why is it this team can't beat Dublin. Looks like some Mayo players prefer to make excuses too. Long may it continue BTW
TCDStudent1 wrote: » Yes, I completely agree with all of that. I just wasn't very clear in getting my point across. I still think the main difference between Mayo & Dublin is that Dublin have better forwards. Didnt realise they had played each other 10 times since 2013!
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well I just indicated where you did in fact get a massive call go your way - one that if awarded, changes the end result unquestionably. I mean how much more cut and dried to you want it? I don't get this grandstanding from some Dublin fans. A bit rant and rave about 'things not going there way', throw in some nonsense exaggeration about bertie ahern for good measure - while blatantly ignoring points that prove this claim to be wholly wrong - and then expect to be taken seriously. It is like a guy trying to make enough noise and not stop shouting as to not let anyone else speak, while he carefully backs out of a room. I mean, do you take people for idiots or what? It is about as covert as a double decker bus. Stop being so biased towards your own team all the time. Too many Dublin fans seem to be Dublin gaa people, rather than just gaa people.
Bambi wrote: » Y'see I knew you were going to respond like that. County coloured glasses on, blinkers up. The ref didn't miss anything when it came to us, sure we're no good at fouling. He gave us nothing, same every other ref. Only for Denis Bastick/Bertie Ahern/Oul Mr Brennan we would have won Same ould excuses. Over and over. Have Mayo won once in their last 10 games against Dublin?
Jaden wrote: » Oh go on, I'll bite. Cooper charged in the back just after the goal. The action was deliberate, unprovoked and dangerous. Every single official looking directly at it. No doubt about who did it. No action whatsoever taken. Cooper black carded about a minute later, the previous event clearly still on his mind.
TCDStudent1 wrote: » If Dublin have such superior players to Mayo, how is it that Mayo have drawn with them twice in the past 2 years?
seligehgit wrote: There may be a mental fatigue but this team is highly motivated and have new players coming though with McCaffrey's return an added bonus.I'm only hoping they won't have quite the same ravenous hunger to win the All Ireland this year.
