Louise O Neill on rape culture.

ivytwine · 17-12-2016 01:08AM

me_right_one wrote: »

Disgusting act. Do you happen to know the answer?

Ooookay

I hadn't been aware I'd been appointed as Louise O'Neill's Garda liaison. She doesn't have to disclose anything she doesn't want to. I disagree with a lot of what she says, but she doesn't owe anyone full disclosure.

You threw in a jibe about vegetarians apropos of nothing. Presuming you dislike SJWs and therefore talk of safe spaces, yet you want to shut down speech you don't like.

ivytwine · 17-12-2016 01:10AM

Grayson wrote: »

You mean when they talk to you and then don't sleep with you.

Yuuuuuuppp.

RonFan you have an incredibly bleak view of not only women, but men too.

Most people are actually ok you know.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-12-2016 10:13PM

Just going by comments section last couple of weeks it seems more and more people are starting to wake up to the person she is especially females.

Free Falling · 17-12-2016 10:45PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Just going by comments section last couple of weeks it seems more and more people are starting to wake up to the person she is especially females.

Mothers are realising their sons could be sent to jail for a drunken one night stand.

midnight city · 17-12-2016 10:53PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Just going by comments section last couple of weeks it seems more and more people are starting to wake up to the person she is especially females.

Which comment section?

Wibbs · 18-12-2016 09:34AM

me_right_one wrote: »

Debate is fine, but some things are off limits. End of story.

Fúck me… It's bad enough - for this reader anyway - that we're going around importing this gender BS from America(with all the jargon, and often to the point of farce mid atlantic accents with it), but it seems we're also importing their oft times astounding dearth of a sense of irony. Fúck me. Welcome to the Now folks, the time of the [insert worldview here]echo chamber.

Poor Uncle Tom · 18-12-2016 12:43PM

me_right_one wrote: »

Debate is fine, but some things are off limits. End of story.

If you don't like a topic don't take part in a debate about it, but don't attempt to force your opinions or morals on others. End of story.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-12-2016 06:59PM

midnight city wrote: »

Which comment section?

Sorry, The Examiner comment on facebook

givyjoe · 19-12-2016 09:58AM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

If you don't like a topic don't take part in a debate about it, but don't attempt to force your opinions or morals on others. End of story.

And what exactly are you doing with that post?

kunst nugget · 19-12-2016 10:02AM

givyjoe wrote: »

And what exactly are you doing with that post?

Telling someone not to try and suppress a debate if they are not happy with the subject matter. Instead, simply refrain from taking part if it offends their sensibilities. I thought it was pretty simple to follow myself.

givyjoe · 19-12-2016 10:05AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Telling someone not to try and suppress a debate if they are not happy with the subject matter. Instead, simply refrain from taking part if it offends their sensibilities. I thought it was pretty simple to follow myself.

While doing exactly the same themselves, thought that was pretty simple to follow myself :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 19-12-2016 10:30AM

givyjoe wrote: »

While doing exactly the same themselves, thought that was pretty simple to follow myself :rolleyes:

sweet suffering jesus. reading comprehension levels in AH really have hit an all-time low.

Don't Chute! · 19-12-2016 10:36AM

givyjoe wrote: »

While doing exactly the same themselves, thought that was pretty simple to follow myself :rolleyes:

One poster is trying to shut down a debate the other is saying don't engage with said debate. Two different things.

givyjoe · 19-12-2016 11:32AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

sweet suffering jesus. reading comprehension levels in AH really have hit an all-time low.

The hypocrisy meter is going off the chart here. Multiple times you've latched onto minor sections of posts and completely twisted the words of posters. My reading comprehension is working fine thanks, as is your high horse clearly.

I perfectly understood what was written, it's just simply hypocritical telling one poster to cease giving his opinion in that particular manner, tongue in cheek or otherwise.

Some seem to think the poster was offended, and they were forcing their moral sensibilities on others.. Bit of a leap. I agreed on their point that it shouldn't be debated, as that particular debate serves no purpose. It doesn't tick the boxes that others have stated as a reason for 'outrageous' topics being used to improve public speaking skills etc etc (one side is completely screwed in that debate and won't learn a thing).

Should I assume your delicate sensibilities were offended by my 'colourful' example of a debate on 'I should be able to rape whoever I like'? Interestingly you didn't answer (as far as I remember) if you thought there was any value to such a ridiculously one sided debate.

My own original point all along was, incest = wrong and clearly wrong, will always be wrong and a debate on it is utterly futile. The side debating it's pro's v con's has literally no argument to make. Equally the side arguing that it shouldn't be allowed isn't getting much out of it terms of debating because it's such an 'easy win'.

ohnonotgmail · 19-12-2016 11:39AM

givyjoe wrote: »

The hypocrisy meter is going off the chart here. Multiple times you've latched onto minor sections of posts and completely twisted the words of posters. My reading comprehension is working fine thanks, as is your high horse clearly.

I perfectly understood what was written, it's just simply hypocritical telling one poster to cease giving his opinion in that particular manner, tongue in cheek or otherwise.

Some seem to think the poster was offended, and they were forcing their moral sensibilities on others.. Bit of a leap. I agreed on their point that it shouldn't be debated, as that particular debate serves no purpose. It doesn't tick the boxes that others have stated as a reason for 'outrageous' topics being used to improve public speaking skills etc etc (one side is completely screwed in that debate and won't learn a thing).

Should I assume your delicate sensibilities were offended by my 'colourful' example of a debate on 'I should be able to rape whoever I like'? Interestingly you didn't answer (as far as I remember) if you thought there was any value to such a ridiculously one sided debate.

My own original point all along was, incest = wrong and clearly wrong, will always be wrong and a debate on it is utterly futile. The side debating it's pro's v con's has literally no argument to make. Equally the side arguing that it shouldn't be allowed isn't getting much out of it terms of debating because it's such an 'easy win'.

You have comepletely missed the point of what was said. again. and again. and again. If you dont think it should be debated then dont. just to be clear i am not stopping from you from debating it. If you do or not is entirely up to you. But you want to stop other people from debating it. and if that isnt forcing YOUR moral sensibilities on others i dont know what is.

pumpkin4life · 19-12-2016 11:44AM

Anything is up for debate. Even incest.

It's just the fact that people want to debate something as completely disgusting and so obviously wrong as incest that is the issue.

Whether thats some student lads looking for the shock value or are genuinely serious though, that's another thing.

givyjoe · 19-12-2016 11:49AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You have comepletely missed the point of what was said. again. and again. and again. If you dont think it should be debated then dont. just to be clear i am not stopping from you from debating it. If you do or not is entirely up to you. But you want to stop other people from debating it. and if that isnt forcing YOUR moral sensibilities on others i dont know what is.

Christ almighty, you're joking. Try answering a direct question.. for ONCE.. will you. Do you see any utility in a debate on 'i should rape whoever I want'? Who am I forcing my moral sensibilities on? You? You see nothing wrong with incest then I take it? REPEATEDLY, I've said it's an utter waste of time because it's obviously such a one sided debate. It has NOTHING to do my personal moral sensibilities. It's BLACK AND WHITE, and also happens to be illegal (and not in any way remotely comparable to other illegal things such cannabis etc, as some have compared)

Do you reckon college debating societies in Germany are having such on the benefits or lack thereof, of fascism?

ohnonotgmail · 19-12-2016 11:52AM

givyjoe wrote: »

Christ almighty, you're joking. Try answering a direct question.. for ONCE.. will you. Do you see any utility in a debate on 'i should rape whoever I want'? Who am I forcing my moral sensibilities on? You? You see nothing wrong with incest then I take it? REPEATEDLY, I've said it's an utter waste of time because it's obviously such a one sided debate. It has NOTHING to do my personal moral sensibilities. It's BLACK AND WHITE, and also happens to be illegal (and not in any way remotely comparable to other illegal things such cannabis etc, as some have compared)

Do you reckon college debating societies in Germany are having such on the benefits or lack thereof, of fascism?

and again you completely miss the point.

givyjoe · 19-12-2016 11:54AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and again you completely miss the point.

Dear God, I guess we'll go round in circles, equally missing each others points until the end of time.

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-12-2016 12:14PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Christ almighty, you're joking. Try answering a direct question.. for ONCE.. will you. Do you see any utility in a debate on 'i should rape whoever I want'?

I think you are going a bit hard there. Anything is up for debate if someone wants to debate it. A lot of rape has gone on and goes on in the world, so clearly many are in favour of it. They are entitled to their point of view and we are entitled to oppose it and punish it democratically by law. Whether even cultures which predominantly condemn it and punish it can nevertheless have significant minority elements of condoned rape, as contended by ONeill, is most certainly worthy of open discussion.

givyjoe · 19-12-2016 12:23PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I think you are going a bit hard there. Anything is up for debate if someone wants to debate it. A lot of rape has gone on and goes on in the world, so clearly many are in favour of it. They are entitled to their point of view and we are entitled to oppose it and punish it democratically by law. Whether even cultures which predominantly condemn it and punish it can nevertheless have significant minority elements of condoned rape, as contended by ONeill, is most certainly worthy of open discussion.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any rapist (of sound mind), who genuinely believes what they are doing isn't wrong. And my point would be, there literally isn't a rational argument they could make to justify their point of view. Hence the futility, where instead they could focus their energy on a debate where they might actually develop some useful skills out of it.

I completely understand the point that everything is up for debate, but there are surely some common sense caveats meaning that's up to a point.

I'm genuinely asking(as before) what would the utility in such a debate on rape being legitimate? (In Ireland at least).

Ralf and Florian · 20-12-2016 10:28PM

One of Louise's followers is feeling triggered.

https://courtneyfromtheinternet.com/2016/12/19/a-very-alternative-blogmas-3/

Widdershins · 20-12-2016 10:33PM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

One of Louise's followers is feeling triggered.

https://courtneyfromtheinternet.com/2016/12/19/a-very-alternative-blogmas-3/

Fascinating.

Sand · 20-12-2016 10:42PM

Cant believe I read that. I wasted my time. She wasted her own time. He wasted his own time.

Goya · 20-12-2016 10:43PM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

One of Louise's followers is feeling triggered.

https://courtneyfromtheinternet.com/2016/12/19/a-very-alternative-blogmas-3/

The two of them seem like a pain in the hole, with Courtney a bit ahead. She does some very things she criticises him for doing. What's this "Only a white man would speak to a woman in this way online" thing? Really? And I like John Cooper Clarke.

Widdershins · 20-12-2016 10:50PM

She seems like a head melter.

darkdubh · 20-12-2016 11:01PM

Flimpson wrote: »

The two of them seem like a pain in the hole, with Courtney a bit ahead. She does some very things she criticises him for doing. What's this "Only a white man would speak to a woman in this way online" thing? Really? And I like John Cooper Clarke.

Is she Irish? Louise O Neill goes on with that white male line a lot too. Might make some sense in The States but sounds very silly coming out with stuff like that in an Irish context.

mzungu · 20-12-2016 11:04PM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

One of Louise's followers is feeling triggered.

https://courtneyfromtheinternet.com/2016/12/19/a-very-alternative-blogmas-3/

Ok, I am tired. Usually I would give these things a read, but not tonight. I am doubting I have missed out on anything.

Sand wrote: »

Cant believe I read that. I wasted my time. She wasted her own time. He wasted his own time.

This validates my decision.

me_right_one · 21-12-2016 01:08AM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

One of Louise's followers is feeling triggered.

https://courtneyfromtheinternet.com/2016/12/19/a-very-alternative-blogmas-3/

mzungu wrote: »

Ok, I am tired. Usually I would give these things a read, but not tonight. I am doubting I have missed out on anything.

This validates my decision.

You missed nothing. Very one sided. As in, not a solitary single one of yerone's posts was in that exchange, so we dont know anything about what she said. Only yermans responses.

darkdubh · 21-12-2016 07:38AM

me_right_one wrote: »

You missed nothing. Very one sided. As in, not a solitary single one of yerone's posts was in that exchange, so we dont know anything about what she said. Only yermans responses.

Had a look at O Neill's recent Twitter posts and here's the original exchange. It goes on for quite a bit. Whatever tweet it was where she call's him a white male seems to have been deleted.

https://twitter.com/notcourtneylove/status/810076166044446720?lang=en

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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