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Breeding for docility in cattle.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭tanko


    He's lucky he wasn't killed. He should have put her in the headlock before she saw you tho. Did she settle after that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,555 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I often calve cows for my neighbours and I always bring the head-halter with me. Don't care how quiet they say they are, I always tie them up first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭The man in red and black


    tanko wrote: »
    He's lucky he wasn't killed. He should have put her in the headlock before she saw you tho. Did she settle after that?


    In fairness once she was in the head gate she was reasonable. A few kicks during the operation but not a particularly bad one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    The mad gene in the limousine must of always been linked to best shaped growthiest cattle back along the line for many generations.,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭Bellview


    Willfarman wrote:
    The mad gene in the limousine must of always been linked to best shaped growthiest cattle back along the line for many generations.,

    Willfarman wrote:
    The mad gene in the limousine must of always been linked to best shaped growthiest cattle back along the line for many generations.,


    If icbf find the gene might save a few lives.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,555 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    There are a few theories as to why the limousin and Saler are so wild. Some say the French sold all their cracked cattle to paddy when he went over. I'm inclined to believe that they are more of an outdoor survive on their own type, so need to be mad to fend off any wolves etc that go near their calves.
    I bought a young in calf cow last week. Stone mad when she came into the ring. I looked at her in the pen beforehand and thought she was fine. Got her home and she is as quiet as a lamb. Hard to tell with them sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Another theory is that they were crossed with deer a long time ago and have that wild streak in some of them


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    I don't think deer and cattle are capable of interbreeding so while it sounds nice we can Scotch that theory. :)

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    Limousines are quiet









    Wild.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    First off, I breed pbr limousine so I may well be biased. The majority of the cattle that I have bred are quite and easily handled. (Touch wood) anything that hasn't has been slaughtered and that's the key. Have 2 cows purchased as weanlings that will not see another season. One is pbnr and is pure devious and the other while more nervous than devious is just too dangerous around the place. If lads culled these type of cattle (factory) rather than passing them on you wouldn't be long sorting out the problem. Btw limousin cattle prefer to be lead rather than driven. I see lads near me who herd the cattle in the jeep and wonder when they go to gather them that they are wild. A shake of nuts also goes a long way to making cattle docile.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    ^ +1 to that, 80% of our herd is now pb lims and majority are pets. Biggest disaster is trying to herd them from behind and as some of ye might have seen on Twitter, few shouts and they come running for a move.
    Our wildest animal is a bought in SIx, nearly all the cows we bred ourselves can be handled in the field for a scratch etc. Hence we're going to buy in as little as possible for as long as possible, it only adds hardship when you don't know how an animal has been treated all its life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,746 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    As I posted earlier, how come bulls from dairy breeds (FR, Je) are fairy aggressive compaired to the females yet continental bulls are seldom so.
    I know that there can be exceptions.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Base price wrote: »
    As I posted earlier, how come bulls from dairy breeds (FR, Je) are fairy aggressive compaired to the females yet continental bulls are seldom so.
    I know that there can be exceptions.

    I don't know but could it be how they're reared with hand reared animals losing their respect for humans quicker?

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,746 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    greysides wrote: »
    I don't know but could it be how they're reared with hand reared animals losing their respect for humans quicker?
    Good point, I never thought of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,555 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    ''To further reduce the danger, dairies that use bulls should consider raising bull calves on a nurse cow. Raising bull calves on a nurse cow will imprint them more strongly to their own kind and further reduce the tendency to attack.''

    http://www.grandin.com/behaviour/principles/preventing.bull.accidents.html


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Thanks, I must have read that sometime before.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,685 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    greysides wrote: »
    Thanks, I must have read that sometime before.

    Has testosterone levels any affect on it greysides?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Has testosterone levels any affect on it greysides?

    Bulls tend to be more dangerous during the breeding season alright.

    Talking about Limo's, ever notice the deeper red the neck muscle area goes during the breeding season?

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    docility is my number one, i began keeping white head and angus suck calves as cows , great success. id love toknow where i could source simmental cross from a freisan herd any ideas?


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