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New Proposed Sheep Scheme

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  • #32
    BannerBarry
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭BannerBarry


    The scheme is a godsend but did the Minister ever mention when they would pay out on the scheme for successful applicants?


  • #33
    Hobs
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    Hi all, Father only had 18 average in census reference years.
    I've since increased ewes to 75 this year. Kept most ewe lambs as breeding ewes last two years.
    Sheep suit me better with full time job so have cut back with cattle numbers.

    Anyways we added my name this year as joint herd number, would this class me as a new entrant with new herd number?
    Or is scheme not worth joining in my case.
    Thanks all for replies and all info supplied on sheep forum.


  • #34
    Green farmer
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    Lads, can we submit the application form ourselves, or is the department going to make us go through advisor for scheme ?


  • #35
    Sheep breeder
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    BannerBarry wrote: »
    The scheme is a godsend but did the Minister ever mention when they would pay out on the scheme for successful applicants?

    The scheme is far from a godsend @ 10 euros a ewe, with extra paperwork and inspection and a quota to maintain and more than likely teagasc and sheep ireland to get a bit of the pie.
    Average flock of 100 ewes 1000 euro won't in courage too many people to keep sheep, go to any mart and look at the age profile of the sheep farmer and how many will be there in 5 to 10 years and how many will come in to replace them at the price of sheep now,


  • #36
    roosky
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    Sheep breeder wrote:
    The scheme is far from a godsend @ 10 euros a ewe, with extra paperwork and inspection and a quota to maintain and more than likely teagasc and sheep ireland to get a bit of the pie. Average flock of 100 ewes 1000 euro won't in courage too many people to keep sheep, go to any mart and look at the age profile of the sheep farmer and how many will be there in 5 to 10 years and how many will come in to replace them at the price of sheep now,



    I dont know how much money you make but a 1000 euro would be a welcome addition to my bottom line.... there will be minimal paper work, what quota?, why would teagasc or sheep ireland get ur money? ...... i think you being a bit drastic, its christmas week ! Also age profile at mart is not representitive cos only auld lads have time for standing round marts


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  • #37
    BannerBarry
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    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    The scheme is far from a godsend @ 10 euros a ewe, with extra paperwork and inspection and a quota to maintain and more than likely teagasc and sheep ireland to get a bit of the pie.
    Average flock of 100 ewes 1000 euro won't in courage too many people to keep sheep, go to any mart and look at the age profile of the sheep farmer and how many will be there in 5 to 10 years and how many will come in to replace them at the price of sheep now,

    To me it's a good step in the right direction.. its long overdue ... its fixed income annually .... not based on market prices and Larry humour etc.

    I am at the younger end of the sheep mart age scale and have over 300 sheep so €3000 to me is more than I have made in the last 2 years on the sheep side of the farm.
    If there is a fixed income like this younger farmers will follow.. especially those with off farm jobs.


  • #38
    paddysdream
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    roosky wrote: »
    I dont know how much money you make but a 1000 euro would be a welcome addition to my bottom line.... there will be minimal paper work, what quota?, why would teagasc or sheep ireland get ur money? ...... i think you being a bit drastic, its christmas week ! Also age profile at mart is not representitive cos only auld lads have time for standing round marts
    Money is money and anything extra is a bonus.But regarding the age profile he is correct.Think the average sheep farmer is almost 60.


  • #39
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    paddysdream wrote: »
    Money is money and anything extra is a bonus.But regarding the age profile he is correct.Think the average sheep farmer is almost 60.
    I think the average age of farmers is 61 atm. And there are more farmers over 80 than under 35 iirc.


  • #40
    MayoAreMagic
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    Anyone know why 'Meal feeding lambs post-weaning' and 'Mineral supplementation lambs pre-weaning' both have an asterisk (*) after them in the table of actions for this scheme?


  • #41
    paddysdream
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    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Anyone know why 'Meal feeding lambs post-weaning' and 'Mineral supplementation lambs pre-weaning' both have an asterisk (*) after them in the table of actions for this scheme?
    Are they for hill sheep only?


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  • #42
    MayoAreMagic
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    paddysdream wrote: »
    Are they for hill sheep only?

    Well they are already in the hill flock section, so why would they need an asterisk? Plus the flystrike action is a lowland only option, and there is no indicator on that... So I would be surprised if that is it, but maybe you are right.


  • #43
    roosky
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I think the average age of farmers is 61 atm. And there are more farmers over 80 than under 35 iirc.

    It is on paper, but there is a huge amount of people that are farming under a parents herd number such as myself where the person running the flock is a lot younger than the name on the deeds to the land and farm which is what the figures come from.

    Teagasc had a survey of 720 sheep farmers and the average farmer age there turned out to be 48 years old


  • #44
    charolais0153
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    I would say it'd be about 55 or so


  • #45
    roosky
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    charolais0153 wrote: »
    I would say it'd be about 55 or so

    Oh dont get me wrong the Average age is high alright but its not as bad as people let on, there is a lot of young lads and lassies very interested in sheep, especially when the beef side of things is going so bad!


  • #46
    charolais0153
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    roosky wrote: »
    Oh dont get me wrong the Average age is high alright but its not as bad as people let on, there is a lot of young lads and lassies very interested in sheep, especially when the beef side of things is going so bad!

    True but in my ag science class in school we have to do a project on one type of livestock .pigs , cattle,dairy,sheep etc I asked the lads that have an interest and sheep and they all said cattle. I was surprised of I'm honest. I'll probably do the sheep myself


  • #47
    rangler1
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    roosky wrote: »
    Oh dont get me wrong the Average age is high alright but its not as bad as people let on, there is a lot of young lads and lassies very interested in sheep, especially when the beef side of things is going so bad!


    I'm nearer to 65 and the sheep suit me better than cattle, they;re not as fast as cattle or as strong either.....dogs do most of the running,
    We've 400 in now and they take less than 2 hrs to feed including the 150 that's out wintered and that's it for the day,
    Alright it'll be busy in march april and then back to 2 days/week for the summer, so unless you get bad health, there's no reason to quit

    Just edited to say that doesn't mean I wouldn't quit if i found a different 'hobby'


  • #48
    BannerBarry
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    I'm nearer to 65 and the sheep suit me better than cattle, they;re not as fast as cattle or as strong either.....dogs do most of the running,
    We've 400 in now and they take less than 2 hrs to feed including the 150 that's out wintered and that's it for the day,
    Alright it'll be busy in march april and then back to 2 days/week for the summer, so unless you get bad health, there's no reason to quit

    Just edited to say that doesn't mean I wouldn't quit if i found a different 'hobby'

    If Minister Creed announced a €10 per can reduction in the price of Terramycin I think it would put more money in my pocket... without the footrot the sheep would be very easy care compared to cattle.


  • #49
    sheepfarmer92
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    Im 24 and farming with my father who is 69, around here there are only round 3 people my age who will probably farm some sheep in the future, thats in an area ofsay ten square miles, when i was in ag collage, all they talked about was dairying, and how drystock is unprofitable no wonder not many young lads dont want to farm sheep, if ye listened to some if the things our sheep lecturer told us, you would be gone bust!


  • #50
    roosky
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    sheepfarmer92 wrote: »
    Im 24 and farming with my father who is 69, around here there are only round 3 people my age who will probably farm some sheep in the future, thats in an area ofsay ten square miles, when i was in ag collage, all they talked about was dairying, and how drystock is unprofitable no wonder not many young lads dont want to farm sheep, if ye listened to some if the things our sheep lecturer told us, you would be gone bust!

    Its the reality but dairy isn't always and option, and for me at least sheep is teh second best option!


  • #51
    rangler1
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    BannerBarry wrote: »
    If Minister Creed announced a €10 per can reduction in the price of Terramycin I think it would put more money in my pocket... without the footrot the sheep would be very easy care compared to cattle.

    Footrot is very infectious
    We never have footrot here, but I need 150 replacement ewe lambs here every year and if we were buying them in instead of breeding them we'd have every disease and foot ailment as well.
    Last time I bought in much sheep I had scab and enzootic abortion introduced into the flock, so avoid buying in now


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  • #52
    orm0nd
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    Footrot is very infectious
    We never have footrot here, but I need 150 replacement ewe lambs here every year and if we were buying them in instead of breeding them we'd have every disease and foot ailment as well.
    Last time I bought in much sheep I had scab and enzootic abortion introduced into the flock, so avoid buying in now


    have to agree, used always buy here cos it was easier, but bought in scab & often found the bought in sheep were very wild & difficult managed.

    looks like we'll be scaling down the sheep & upping dairy numbers soon anyhow


    BTW do you know when the john fagan programme is been shown ?


  • #53
    razor8
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    Halfed numbers here between 2013 and 2014 due to workload so going to lose out on the averaging


  • #54
    sea12
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    have to agree, used always buy here cos it was easier, but bought in scab & often found the bought in sheep were very wild & difficult managed.

    looks like we'll be scaling down the sheep & upping dairy numbers soon anyhow


    BTW do you know when the john fagan programme is been shown ?

    How did you get rid of the scap once it entered the flock. Similar thing happened here with bought in sheep. Don't have plunge bath do just relied in ivornec but found it hard to clear.


  • #55
    rangler1
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    sea12 wrote: »
    How did you get rid of the scap once it entered the flock. Similar thing happened here with bought in sheep. Don't have plunge bath do just relied in ivornec but found it hard to clear.

    I ivomec'd them twice and showered them twice and i still had to dig a hole and put down a dipping bath, I never got it officially identified as scab but it took the dipping bath to clear it, With all the messing it was just after lambing when i was dipping, amazing the way 4-6 wk old lambs were able to swim in the bath, they looked like goldfish swimming around


  • #56
    rangler1
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    have to agree, used always buy here cos it was easier, but bought in scab & often found the bought in sheep were very wild & difficult managed.

    looks like we'll be scaling down the sheep & upping dairy numbers soon anyhow


    BTW do you know when the john fagan programme is been shown ?

    I think john fagans is on the 27th dec


  • #57
    razor8
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    Say you are keeping 100 ewe lambs every year as replacements. How do you categorise them on census form each year?

    I assume there will be no €10 payment on these?


  • #58
    Username John
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    razor8 wrote: »
    Say you are keeping 100 ewe lambs every year as replacements. How do you categorise them on census form each year?

    I assume there will be no €10 payment on these?

    Interested to know the answer to this myself ;)


  • #59
    roosky
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    razor8 wrote: »
    Say you are keeping 100 ewe lambs every year as replacements. How do you categorise them on census form each year?

    I assume there will be no €10 payment on these?

    as far as i can remember the cencus asks for breeding ewes or like females mated and then there is an other section for other sheep which includes replacements, so no the 10 euro would count there


  • #60
    orm0nd
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    roosky wrote: »
    as far as i can remember the cencus asks for breeding ewes or like females mated and then there is an other section for other sheep which includes replacements, so no the 10 euro would count there

    yep, form came to day, all breeding sheep over 12 months & a section for rams over 12 months

    every thing else are batched to gether.


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  • #61
    ganmo
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    application form landed here today


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