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Female student beaten up in Maynooth(NO SPECULATION)

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    #452
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,087 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Grayson wrote: »
    Jaysus. I think the moral is that we're all idiots for believing a single thing from the Indo.

    While not defending the Indo, it could be a case of a leak and the Gardai are trying to plug it, so the suspects aren't tipped off. Its pretty common in investigations.


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    #453
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    While not defending the Indo, it could be a case of a leak and the Gardai are trying to plug it, so the suspects aren't tipped off. Its pretty common in investigations.

    Yeah, but it's also the indo :D


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    #454
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    pablo128 wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Now it's being reported that the guards don't have any suspects after all. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-say-they-have-not-one-suspect-in-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-35292214.html

    That article was from yesterday though, isn't the more recent one saying there are suspects?


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    #455
    Walter2016
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Walter2016


    pablo128 wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Now it's being reported that the guards don't have any suspects after all. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-say-they-have-not-one-suspect-in-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-35292214.html

    As usual the indo's sensationalism threatens possible convictions of those who attacked the girl.

    Indo is interested in one thing and one thing only - clicks on articles and eyeballs on adverts.

    Truth never comes into the equation


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    #456
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    That article was from yesterday though, isn't the more recent one saying there are suspects?

    Yeh article from this morning is more recent.

    Hopefully it doesn't turn into another annabels scenario and they buy their way out of it.


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    #457
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Yeh article from this morning is more recent.

    Hopefully it doesn't turn into another annabels scenario and they buy their way out of it.
    Mmm. The "fact" (if it is fact) that the gardai have three suspects but have not yet even questioned them may well indicate parents that have lawyered up quickly.


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    #458
    Del.Monte
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    Doesn't anybody pay attention to the thread title. :(

    ****



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    #459
    mattser
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Doesn't anybody pay attention to the thread title. :(

    Very few. Mostly amateur detectives and pro/anti feminists around these parts.


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    #460
    Ferrari3600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Ferrari3600


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    While not defending the Indo, it could be a case of a leak and the Gardai are trying to plug it, so the suspects aren't tipped off. Its pretty common in investigations.

    It could be a deliberate "accidental on purpose" leak to see if there are frantic text messages/phone calls between the suspects in response to the news story. Not sure if AGS are that clever though.


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    #461
    Ferrari3600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Ferrari3600


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Yeh article from this morning is more recent.

    Hopefully it doesn't turn into another annabels scenario and they buy their way out of it.

    Don't talk rubbish. Nobody 'bought their way out' of anything in relation to that incident.


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    #462
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Ferrari3600 wrote: »
    It could be a deliberate "accidental on purpose" leak to see if there are frantic text messages/phone calls between the suspects in response to the news story. Not sure if AGS are that clever though.

    David Currans conviction was greatly aided by such messages.


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    Cervantes2
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    Ferrari3600 wrote: »
    Don't talk rubbish. Nobody 'bought their way out' of anything in relation to that incident.

    Sure they didn't :rolleyes:


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    #464
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Ferrari3600 wrote: »
    Don't talk rubbish. Nobody 'bought their way out' of anything in relation to that incident.

    He says with a straight face.....


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    #465
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Candie wrote: »
    Sounds like a case of Chinese whispers gaining truth status.

    I hope the culprits are brought to justice as soon as possible, whoever they are. Sadly, the judiciary have a bit of a rep for leniency, even in the face of tens or even hundreds of previous convictions. Lets hope they throw the book at them and they get what they deserve.

    I really hope this poor girl recovers fully physically and is able to get her life back, this is the kind of experience that'll make it an ongoing struggle for a long time to come. I hope she gets there.

    They are nothing short of a disgrace. Overpaid and under worked. It may not sound very pc, but this case warrants a tooth for a tooth.


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    While not defending the Indo, it could be a case of a leak and the Gardai are trying to plug it, so the suspects aren't tipped off. Its pretty common in investigations.

    This happened weeks ago, and they are probably still going around with notebooks :rolleyes:


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    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    bit of a bogey wrote: »
    What do you mean fair play to the gardai?? It's a horrendous case so they should be doing absolutely everything within their power possible. It's their job. I don't care how long it takes to bring the offender to justice. I trust that they are doing the right thing in being patient to build an accurate case but I thought that given the circumstances, they be further along now with charges by now.

    What I mean is the article stated that 100's of hours of CCTV were combed and 100's of statements were taken in order for them to get to the stage when they have enough to hopefully charge these suspects.

    The Gardaí can never win in some people's eyes, I just think they deserve credit sometimes for a lot of hard work. They're the ones that put in all the legwork and donkey work to get these cases to court. It's the judiciary that are to blame when these scum are not sent to prison.


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    #467
    MonsterCookie
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    Mmm. Radio reports this morning that she may not have been assaulted after all. Medics have told Gardai that Kyms injuries are consistent with a fall.

    No mention of how she is doing.


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    BattleCorp
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    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Mmm. Radio reports this morning that she may not have been assaulted after all. Medics have told Gardai that Kyms injuries are consistent with a fall.

    No mention of how she is doing.

    :confused::confused::confused:

    Fall from a skyscraper maybe.


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    #469
    MonsterCookie
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused:

    Fall from a skyscraper maybe.

    I know. It sounds strange and at odds with what has been reported to date.


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    #470
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused:

    Fall from a skyscraper maybe.

    To be fair the medics know more about this stuff than we do.

    Having said that, we still know feck all.


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    #471
    Riskymove
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    Grayson wrote: »
    To be fair the medics know more about this stuff than we do.

    Having said that, we still know feck all.

    if she landed face first on a kerb, you could do serious damage


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    #472
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,554 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    She suffered injuries to the front of her head, including broken teeth, a broken nose, fractures to her eye sockets and a dislocated jaw.

    If she fainted and fell forward without breaking her fall in any way onto the edge of a footpath or something?

    EDIT: That's from the Irish Times, but they are taking the report from the Irish Daily Star, and I couldn't find anything about it on that website.


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    #473
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    osarusan wrote: »
    If she fainted and fell forward without breaking her fall in any way onto the edge of a footpath or something?

    Absolutely, plus it is very rare that several weeks on the guards would have no leads. If it had been a vicious assault there would have been a fair amount of DNA around you would imagine.


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    #474
    Supernintento Chalmers
    Registered Users Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Supernintento Chalmers


    Why has it taken the medical professionals this long to reach this conclusion?


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    #475
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Absolutely, plus it is very rare that several weeks on the guards would have no leads. If it had been a vicious assault there would have been a fair amount of DNA around you would imagine.

    I think you've been watching too much CSI.


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    #476
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »
    Why has it taken the medical professionals this long to reach this conclusion?

    Because she is still alive. It's easy to examine wounds when someone is dead but when they are still being treated it's much harder. It's not like you can take a plaster cast of an impact wound while it's stitched and bandaged and healing.


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    #477
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Grayson wrote: »
    I think you've been watching too much CSI.

    He probably meant evidence.

    I find it strange that this could have been misconstrued as an assault and they are now thinking it may have been a fall.

    If it was an assault there would have been screams as the first blows started to land. Neighbours surely would have heard something. Also I would imagine that there would have been wounds on other parts of her body sustained in an assault..bruises on her arms, back, torso if she went to ground and came under a barrage of kicks from different directions. None of these bruises would be sustained in a fall (unless you fell down a long bloody flight of steps).

    Also someone mentioned that she was conscious now. If that's the case can they not just ask her if she remembers being assaulted? I guess if she can't remember anything then an assault can't be ruled out.

    Also where did the hurleys and bullying information come from?


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    #478
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Grayson wrote: »
    I think you've been watching too much CSI.


    So you reckon an assailant carrying out a frenzied attack in the dark would not leave traces of DNA?


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    #479
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    So you reckon an assailant carrying out a frenzied attack in the dark would not leave traces of DNA?

    If they were smart and wore gloves and a hat or something like that Im sure you could get away with out leaving any DNA. A few blows with a heavy object could do the damage done to her, its not like the assailant would have to be down on the ground wrestling her to do that


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    #480
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    HensVassal wrote: »
    He probably meant evidence.

    I find it strange that this could have been misconstrued as an assault and they are now thinking it may have been a fall.

    If it was an assault there would have been screams as the first blows started to land. Neighbours surely would have heard something. Also I would imagine that there would have been wounds on other parts of her body sustained in an assault..bruises on her arms, back, torso if she went to ground and came under a barrage of kicks from different directions. None of these bruises would be sustained in a fall (unless you fell down a long bloody flight of steps).

    Also someone mentioned that she was conscious now. If that's the case can they not just ask her if she remembers being assaulted? I guess if she can't remember anything then an assault can't be ruled out.

    Also where did the hurleys and bullying information come from?

    it's something I heard from other students.

    It'd be interesting to see if these girls got new hurley's since then.

    Did I not read a report where neighbours said they ran out after hearing a scream?


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    #481
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    wakka12 wrote: »
    If they were smart and wore gloves and a hat or something like that Im sure you could get away with out leaving any DNA. A few blows with a heavy object could do the damage done to her, its not like the assailant would have to be down on the ground wrestling her to do that


    What! you reckon someone got tooled up in a boiler suit and gloves and went looking for a girl to attack!


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