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Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

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  • #32
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sure why not give everyone free houses it will solve the problem,
    Then on to the 130,000 housing lists free houses for Christmas ,
    Our housing problem solved
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  • #33
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Gatling wrote:
    Sure why not give everyone free houses it will solve the problem, Then on to the 130,000 housing lists free houses for Christmas , Our housing problem solved


    Oh deary me, this boring argument! Free market economics is a bust! It's time for us humans to move on from it or we're going down with the ship


  • #34
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    Gatling wrote: »
    What a bunch of numptys ,

    Theres more homeless beds and emergency accommodation than ever before and there using this a publicity stunt must be quite on the right 2 front ,
    Pretty obvious none of them have a clue about homeless people

    I honestly don't think you have a clue about homeless people? Sure there's more than before but there's not enough. The modular houses that were built this year are crap and unsuitable for long time habitation. They also depreciate in value and will require long term maintenance.

    People are right to protest of this iniquity its going on for to long and the government were caught without a solid anti-homeless plan.


  • #35
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    Gatling wrote: »
    Sure why not give everyone free houses it will solve the problem,
    Then on to the 130,000 housing lists free houses for Christmas ,
    Our housing problem solved

    What's your solution then? let the market provide for the homeless? because that's worked :rolleyes:....

    Providing homeless people with social housing is probably the most effective way of providing them with shelter and a somewhat decent, sustainable way of living.


  • #36
    FTA69
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    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    So, stealing is okay if you do it for a "good" reason ?

    That property is owned by someone, might be NAMA but it's not a few washed up has beens and agitators from the AAA.

    Stealing my hole. If it's owned by anyone it's owned by some speculator who has been bailed out to the nth degree with public money and is now sitting on this asset waiting for it to appreciate in value.

    Property rights shouldn't trump the common good, if it mattered so much they wouldn't let it go derelict in the centre of town would they?

    I fully support anyone commandeering such properties for the commons.


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  • #37
    BattleCorp
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Stealing my hole. If it's owned by anyone it's owned by some speculator who has been bailed out to the nth degree with public money and is now sitting on this asset waiting for it to appreciate in value.

    Property rights shouldn't trump the common good, if it mattered so much they wouldn't let it go derelict in the centre of town would they?

    I fully support anyone commandeering such properties for the commons.

    You do realise that we don't live in a communist country. People are entitled to do what they want with their property. If someone wants to sit on an asset and wait for it to appreciate, it's their legal right to do so.


  • #38
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    BattleCorp wrote:
    You do realise that we don't live in a communist country. People are entitled to do what they want with their property. If someone wants to sit on an asset and wait for it to appreciate, it's their legal right to do so.


    Another problem of the free market system, I.e. molestation of the legal system. How long more of this disturbing game do we have to play before total annihilation of our societies?


  • #39
    mahoganygas
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    Bono incoming in 3...2....


  • #40
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    You do realise that we don't live in a communist country. People are entitled to do what they want with their property. If someone wants to sit on an asset and wait for it to appreciate, it's their legal right to do so.

    In some places you have unscrupulous landlords and speculators allow buildings to go derelict in the heart of communities which have a terrible negative and knock on effect. If people take that over and use them for communal purposes or community assets then fair play to them.

    The notion of idle property being allowed to rot in the middle of a housing crisis is obscene and socially unsustainable.


  • #41
    Mena Mitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,302 ✭✭✭Mena Mitty


    mahoganygas wrote: »
    Bono incoming in 3...2....

    Has the eagle landed yet ?


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  • #42
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Oh deary me, this boring argument! Free market economics is a bust! It's time for us humans to move on from it or we're going down with the ship

    I was been sarcastic .

    But to answer your questions below ,there is no magic solution to homelessness ,
    There's so many reasons why someone becomes homeless so have very complex and difficult needs ,
    People breaking into building and illegally occupying properties is not the solution especially when the government has put so much resources into the problem , several hundred millions over a 3 year period ,
    No government has found a magic bullet for homelessness from the Nordic countries Denmark , Sweden and Norway all the way to the utopia that was Castro's Cuba ,
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  • #43
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Gatling wrote:
    But to answer your questions below ,there is no magic solution to homelessness , There's so many reasons why someone becomes homeless so have very complex and difficult needs , People breaking into building and illegally occupying properties is not the solution especially when the government has put so much resources into the problem , several hundred millions over a 3 year period , No government has found a magic bullet for homelessness from the Nordic countries Denmark , Sweden and Norway all the way to the utopia that was Castro's Cuba ,


    I will agree with you to a point but we're playing an extremely dangerous game which will end badly for us all. Our economic systems are fundamentally flawed, they truly are, many of our politicians know this but are refusing to accept it, we 're in big trouble


  • #44
    topper75
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    the problem could be solved with a flick of a pen but there are too many snouts in the trough making a living out of it


    "Economics is the study of how societies use scarce resources to produce valuable commodities and distribute them among different people."

    Pens are plentiful. Living space in Dublin not so much. Flick away on the pens.


  • #45
    pure.conya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭pure.conya


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    So, stealing is okay if you do it for a "good" reason ?

    That property is owned by someone, might be NAMA but it's not a few washed up has beens and agitators from the AAA.

    All property is theft


  • #46
    mahoganygas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    pure.conya wrote:
    All property is theft

    Wow.


  • #47
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    topper75 wrote:
    Pens are plentiful. Living space in Dublin not so much. Flick away on the pens.


    According to Colm McCarthy, plenty of unzoned land in Dublin. Flick of a pen to solve that!


  • #48
    topper75
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Stealing my hole. If it's owned by anyone it's owned by some speculator who has been bailed out to the nth degree with public money and is now sitting on this asset waiting for it to appreciate in value.

    Property rights shouldn't trump the common good, if it mattered so much they wouldn't let it go derelict in the centre of town would they?

    I fully support anyone commandeering such properties for the commons.

    Rent-averse people with addiction issues are not 'the commons' comrade.

    If investors can have investments taken from them by whim of a government, there will be no investment in Dublin, money goes elsewhere, and you end up with a dump of a city down the line.


  • #49
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,852 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    FTA69 wrote: »
    In some places you have unscrupulous landlords and speculators allow buildings to go derelict in the heart of communities which have a terrible negative and knock on effect. If people take that over and use them for communal purposes or community assets then fair play to them.

    The notion of idle property being allowed to rot in the middle of a housing crisis is obscene and socially unsustainable.

    I know I'm coming across as a d1ck here but it isn't up to private citizens to provide accommodation for the homeless.

    I have a right to do what I want with my property (if I had any). I shouldn't be forced to hand it over to the State because they want it to house homeless people. Let the State come up with another solution such as building on greenfield sites etc. A solution that doesn't impinge on my property rights.


  • #50
    topper75
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    According to Colm McCarthy, plenty of unzoned land in Dublin. Flick of a pen to solve that!

    Unzoned land. Never heard of the term. Is he talking about rezoning?

    Because if he is, he needs to spend more time in Galway and Ennis.


  • #51
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    topper75 wrote: »
    Unzoned land. Never heard of the term. Is he talking about rezoning?

    Because if he is, he needs to spend more time in Galway and Ennis.

    apologies thats what i meant, yup id say colm mccarthy is right, zoning is one of our issues here, along with a few other things. our governments are following the free market cookbook and are lost.

    ive no knowledge of the issues in galway and ennis, maybe he and our politicians need to spend more time in these areas. what do you feel are the issues in these areas?


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  • #52
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    topper75 wrote: »
    Rent-averse people with addiction issues are not 'the commons' comrade.

    If investors can have investments taken from them by whim of a government, there will be no investment in Dublin, money goes elsewhere, and you end up with a dump of a city down the line.

    our investment systems particularly at the high end have become parasitic, predatory and destructive for society as a whole. its time to move onto other systems before we destroy ourselves.


  • #53
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    260000 unoccupied homes across the country with 36000 in Dublin. What's going on here?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/census-2016-number-of-vacant-houses-scandalous-1.2722435%3fmode=amp

    Market prices are being artificially driven up. A stroke of a pen with the correct legislation could indeed rectify the problem. Vacant property should not be witheld in these times.

    In Amsterdam they have started to fine people who leave a property empty for more than 6 months. That's what we need and is a completely straightforward change if policy makers wanted it.

    http://nltimes.nl/2016/09/29/amsterdam-fine-vacant-buildings


  • #54
    mahoganygas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    Wanderer78 wrote:
    ive no knowledge of the issues in galway and ennis, maybe he and our politicians need to spend more time in these areas. what do you feel are the issues in these areas?

    You mean you haven't read Michael Hudson's insightful book on neoclassical theory and it's effect on Ennis, Co Clare in a post-Keynesian world?

    I know what to get you for Kris Kindle this year.


  • #55
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    260000 unoccupied homes across the country with 36000 in Dublin. What's going on here?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/census-2016-number-of-vacant-houses-scandalous-1.2722435%3fmode=amp

    Market prices are being artificially driven up. A stroke of a pen with the correct legislation could indeed rectify the problem. Vacant property should not be witheld in these times.

    tom lyons has been writing about the shortage of housing in the dublin region since 2009, thats almost a 10 year warning! something's very very wrong!


  • #56
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mahoganygas wrote: »
    You mean you haven't read Michael Hudson's insightful book on neoclassical theory and it's effect on Ennis, Co Clare in a post-Keynesian world?

    I know what to get you for Kris Kindle this year.

    im moving onto steve keen soon, thats another hint:D


  • #57
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    260000 unoccupied homes across the country with 36000 in Dublin. What's going on here?

    Property owners fearful of renting even short-term.
    Beneficiaries of the fair-deal funding.
    Holiday homes in parts of the country where residential accommodation is not in demand.
    Property currently on the market.
    Property tied up in the excessively long repossession process.


  • #58
    suicide_circus
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    Great in principle but it'll turn into a high-rise crackhouse without staffing and systems in place.


  • #59
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Great in principle but it'll turn into a high-rise crackhouse without staffing and systems in place.

    i think building up is probably the only way particularly in inner city dublin. plenty of well serviced and staffed high risers around this world, i think its doable here to.


  • #60
    Boom_Bap
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Great in principle but it'll turn into a high-rise crackhouse without staffing and systems in place.

    From what I can see, this has been in preperation for a while now and fairly well planned out.
    One of the main guys involved is not the type to go without a long term plan.


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  • #61
    Winterlong
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    Graham wrote: »
    Property owners fearful of renting even short-term.
    Beneficiaries of the fair-deal funding.
    Holiday homes in parts of the country where residential accommodation is not in demand.
    Property currently on the market.
    Property tied up in the excessively long repossession process.

    Add prolonged probate to that list.


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