Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

wally79 · 16-12-2016 01:44AM #1

There may be a thread already but I couldn't find it.

About 100 “concerned citizens”, including high-profile personalities, have gathered in Dublin on Thursday night to take over Apollo House, a Nama property, in order to accommodate the homeless

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/occupy-nama-city-property-taken-over-to-house-homeless-1.2907854

16-12-2016 01:55AM

wally79 wrote: »

There may be a thread already but I couldn't find it.

About 100 “concerned citizens”, including high-profile personalities, have gathered in Dublin on Thursday night to take over Apollo House, a Nama property, in order to accommodate the homeless

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/occupy-nama-city-property-taken-over-to-house-homeless-1.2907854

Whoever is doing it its a brilliant initiative and high time. The homeless situation in this country is utterly scandalous. I attend a postgrad in Waterford 2 days a week and there is homeless people sleeping rough in seemingly every second doorway.

It simply cant continue that property prices are ballooning out of control on one hand and on the other people are at risk of freezing to death on our streets.

JustAThought · 16-12-2016 01:56AM

There's enough high net worth amongst those tax free individuals to buy the property but no, they want to take it and charge it to those working & paying as much as 40% tax, and give it to those who don't work & won't use the services provided . Figures.

wally79 · 16-12-2016 02:03AM

Does anyone know what kind of building it is? Is it suitable to live in I wonder or is it an office building

Also what happens when the celebs and union lads have gotten their headlines and the kumbaya spirit wears off

Losty Dublin · 16-12-2016 02:23AM

wally79 wrote: »

Does anyone know what kind of building it is? Is it suitable to live in I wonder or is it an office building

Former office block that was horrid inside by all account. Ironically the Dept of Social Protection had an local office here that serviced homeless people.

padd b1975 · 16-12-2016 03:14AM

Reads like a who's who of insufferable gobsh1tes.

They can't even get pisssed while they're there what with Christy Moore and his issues with the old alkeyhol.

Esel · 16-12-2016 04:32AM

John Connors and [...] Brendan Ogle.

Lots of copper in there - pull my wire.

'News story' happens to happen right across the street from the Irish Times office - what are the odds of that? The mock turtle is still barred from Mulligans.

Any Russian ships in port?

The Countess would be swimming in her gravy before walking over to the Banba for a peckage of King crips.

Apollo (per Wikipedia) is/was the god of music, poetry, art, oracles, archery, plague, medicine, sun, light and knowledge. Zero-knowledge is not enough proof.

Film at (or in the Screen) eleven.

16-12-2016 07:50AM

JustAThought wrote: »

There's enough high net worth amongst those tax free individuals to buy the property but no, they want to take it and charge it to those working & paying as much as 40% tax, and give it to those who don't work & won't use the services provided . Figures.

wally79 wrote: »

Does anyone know what kind of building it is? Is it suitable to live in I wonder or is it an office building

Also what happens when the celebs and union lads have gotten their headlines and the kumbaya spirit wears off

padd b1975 wrote: »

Reads like a who's who of insufferable gobsh1tes.

They can't even get pisssed while they're there what with Christy Moore and his issues with the old alkeyhol.

Ah boards...

It's all getting fairly predictable isn't it?

We just need the,

"what about the children that'll be there?"

"The guards should turf the lot of them out"

"It's difficult being a landlord these days"

"It's all FF's fault"

"PBP/AAA are to blame"

"I passed by today and saw some lad shooting up in his eyeballs"

"The guards should turf the lot of them out" - repost

"Feckin celebs, who are they and what good have they have ever done anyway?"

Wanderer78 · 16-12-2016 07:59AM

Free market economics is a bust! The market knows ****! Just build the houses already!

ChikiChiki · 16-12-2016 08:12AM

Fair play to them. The country isn't being ran with the best interests of a huge demographic in mind. Situation is becoming farcical. Just build the fooking houses pronto.

Gatling · 16-12-2016 08:16AM

What a bunch of numptys ,

Theres more homeless beds and emergency accommodation than ever before and there using this a publicity stunt must be quite on the right 2 front ,
Pretty obvious none of them have a clue about homeless people

ChikiChiki · 16-12-2016 08:17AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Free market economics is a bust! The market knows ****! Just build the houses already!

I'd agree with you. People in power have figured out how manipulate the market in order to get maximum benefit from it. That's a very sad thing.

Patser · 16-12-2016 08:18AM

I don't quite understand the point they're making. It is a noble call and all, but even in his statement in to OP's link the organiser Ogle acknowledges that the Govt and other agencies have just opened new homeless facilities. Also they have to know that a 3rd one was also due to open was blocked by a residents' legal challenge.

So saying 'We know you're doing things but do things!' confuses me. Those new facilities (including the planned one) and other temporary, emergency ones had enough beds to more than meet demand.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/homeless-hostels-dublin-3131460-Dec2016/%3Famp%3D1

Richard Hillman · 16-12-2016 08:19AM

What these people fail the recognise is that so many of these people are homeless because of their own doing. Rent prices are not the reason why Boxcar Fred has been sleeping rough for the last 6 years. Give him a house and he'll still spend his money on booze or drugs and will get evicted for not paying rent.

Occupy what you like, it's not going to stop people being trainwrecks

FTA69 · 16-12-2016 08:20AM

Great citizen's initiative and congratulations to all those involved, the concept of homelessness and rough sleeping is a blight on our society and we should aim to do better. A huge building sitting idle in the middle of town rotting away for what exactly? B*llocks to that, I hope communities and groups take back some more in the near future.

Predictable as always, there's the usual shower out moaning about it but put simply, f*ck the begrudgers. Ireland is a country where a cabal of politicians, developers and financiers took the rest of us for a ride basically and for the most part they got off scot free and are now gearing up to gouge us again by the looks of it.

What we need is more solidarity and not less of it. The fact someone might be heavily taxed and being ripped off etc is bad, but some poor bastard sleeping in a doorway isn't the one to blame for that.

Wanderer78 · 16-12-2016 08:25AM

ChikiChiki wrote:

I'd agree with you. People in power have figured out how manipulate the market in order to get maximum benefit from it. That's a very sad thing.

Our economic systems are bust at a fundamental level, many of our politicians here and in Europe know this, but are playing the 'extend and pretend', 'pray and delay' game. This will end very very badly for us all

Vicxas · 16-12-2016 08:28AM

*In before someone else*

I blame Bertie

*flees*

Wanderer78 · 16-12-2016 08:29AM

Richard Hillman wrote:

What these people fail the recognise is that so many of these homeless because of their own doing. Rent prices are not the reason why Boxcar Fred has been sleeping rough for the last 6 years. Give him a house and he'll still spend his money on booze or drugs and will get evicted for not paying rent.

I would highly recommend you to have a conversation with a mentally ill person, I've termed their thought process as 'anti-logic'. This thought process is quiet disturbing

ChikiChiki · 16-12-2016 08:31AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

What these people fail the recognise is that so many of these homeless because of their own doing. Rent prices are not the reason why Boxcar Fred has been sleeping rough for the last 6 years. Give him a house and he'll still spend his money on booze or drugs and will get evicted for not paying rent.

Occupy what you like, it's not going to stop people being trainwrecks

Don't you not realise people who work are being squeezed out of the market aswell. There is a hidden homelessness, those who are in their late 20s and 30s and can't settle down, plan a family and just live a simple life due to our lack of housing and extortionate rent prices.

andekwarhola · 16-12-2016 08:49AM

Esel wrote: »

John Connors and [...] Brendan Ogle.

Lots of copper in there - pull my wire.

'News story' happens to happen right across the street from the Irish Times office - what are the odds of that? The mock turtle is still barred from Mulligans.

Any Russian ships in port?

The Countess would be swimming in her gravy before walking over to the Banba for a peckage of King crips.

Apollo (per Wikipedia) is/was the god of music, poetry, art, oracles, archery, plague, medicine, sun, light and knowledge. Zero-knowledge is not enough proof.

Film at (or in the Screen) eleven.

Don't do drugs, kids.

derm0j073 · 16-12-2016 09:00AM

Vicxas wrote: »

*In before someone else*

I blame Bertie

*flees*

Come on , get with it , it's Iar-Taoiseach .

Wheeliebin30 · 16-12-2016 09:04AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Fair play to them. The country isn't being ran with the best interests of a huge demographic in mind. Situation is becoming farcical. Just build the fooking houses pronto.

Can I stop paying on mortgage and get one of these houses for 40 euro a month?

And I'll get 3 chances to pick where I live.

Screw this working and paying my way lark.

We should all just give up working and avail of this offer!

Or maybe move to Sweden oh wait they have 32,000 homeless people.

Maybe England, oh wait they have 120,000 homeless people

When will people realise there is homeless people in every country in the world.

It's such a complex situation that no country or government has ever sorted.

We have 20,000 houses starting to be built to help ease it.

But when these houses try get built you have people protesting against them in there area.

Who's to blame for that? Everyone likes to act all noble but once it's on their doorstep they don't want to know.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-12-2016 09:08AM

the problem could be solved with a flick of a pen but there are too many snouts in the trough making a living out of it

BattleCorp · 16-12-2016 09:19AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the problem could be solved with a flick of a pen but there are too many snouts in the trough making a living out of it

A flick of a pen you say. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Meanwhile the rest of us are in the real world.

Wanderer78 · 16-12-2016 09:21AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Who's to blame for that? Everyone likes to act all noble but once it's on their doorstep they don't want to know.

Our economic and financial systems are fundamentally flawed, based on flaky theories and principles. Homelessness will probably always exist, but these systems are a bust and are further exasperating these complex issues

Wanderer78 · 16-12-2016 09:24AM

BattleCorp wrote:

A flick of a pen you say.

They are absolutely right, it really is a flick of a pen to get this started, as that's how one of the most critical ingredients of this problem is created, I.e. money

hmmm · 16-12-2016 09:25AM

The news today is full of people wanting to dip into the working persons pockets. We spend vast sums on the homeless charity industry already, we're spending enough - someone must be making an awful lot of money out of it.

ck_fluffy_32 · 16-12-2016 09:27AM

FTA69 wrote: »

...... I hope communities and groups take back some more in the near future.

So, stealing is okay if you do it for a "good" reason ?

That property is owned by someone, might be NAMA but it's not a few washed up has beens and agitators from the AAA.

Wanderer78 · 16-12-2016 09:27AM

hmmm wrote:

someone must be making an awful lot of money out of it.

Of course they are, that's the game, the term 'worker insecurity' comes to mind

Wheeliebin30 · 16-12-2016 09:28AM

hmmm wrote: »

The news today is full of people wanting to dip into the working persons pockets. We spend vast sums on the homeless charity industry already, we're spending enough - someone must be making an awful lot of money out of it.

Charities we all know what goes on in them.

The people who need the money most don't get it.

ck_fluffy_32 · 16-12-2016 09:29AM

hmmm wrote: »

The news today is full of people wanting to dip into the working persons pockets. We spend vast sums on the homeless charity industry already, we're spending enough - someone must be making an awful lot of money out of it.

All the time, we're "well off" apparently because - genuine quote to me "if you pay the higher rate of tax, you're the same as the bankers".

FFS!

Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

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