El Presidente Trump

Christy42 · 14-12-2016 09:25PM

Trump has been impressive at cutting out the middle man to increase efficiency. He will stop lobbying by putting the lobbyists into positions where they can make their own policy as suits them best.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/09/the-six-donors-trump-appointed-to-his-administration-gave-almost-12-million-with-their-families-to-his-campaign-and-the-party/?utm_term=.8762a3595137

He won'the bought has he was sold quite a while ago to stick all these rich people into power so they didn't even need to go through corrupt politicians anymore.

Hilariously the people most secure in their current positions are the so called liberal elite. I mean George Soros won't see his profits go down if he pays less tax. Most people in the media and academia have fairly future proof jobs and get employment relatively easily. I mean I am not happy with what he will do in power but overall financially I am unlikely to be hurt by him financially unless he really tanks the world economy. For all the talk of the liberal elite getting played they are generally (excepting those who will be hurt by social progress taking a leap backwards) be less hurt than the right wing working class who has absolutely played like a fiddle.

ECO_Mental · 14-12-2016 10:20PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-national-security-adviser-shared-secrets-without-permission-files-show/2016/12/13/72669740-c146-11e6-9578-0054287507db_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_flynn-705a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a9d318a7e515

What's good for the goose is not good for the gander apparently.....Gen Flynn The Donalds new security guard dog was found to be giving secret information to other people who didn't have clearance. He gave this secret information out intentionally!

This coming from one of the people who led the charge to luck Hillary up, obviously he cannot be trusted to handle secret information and his security clearence should be revoked at least and then let's have a proper investigation into what else he deliberately leaked.

Lock him up, lock him up..

Can't wait for the excuses here on why It's ok for flynn bit not for Hillary?

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 10:32PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Fakediamond wrote: »

Stop feeding the trolls people! It's distracting from the core issue of a Trump presidency.

Trump is not exactly a principled, educated, moral, level-headed, leading light. The man admits to never having even read a book! I think we should focus on how that will impact his world view and the implications for us all. America may not always do the right thing, but it cannot just turn its focus inwards, without any geo-political consequences, this appears to be Trump's intention. Isn't that worthy of some debate/discussion?

Michael Moore put a lengthy post up on FB. Extracted some of it here, it's well written.

"We had a president like him(Trump) before. He, too, lost the popular vote, a majority of Americans saying they didn't want him in the Oval Office. But his governor/brother and his ex-CIA chief/dad's appointees to the Supreme Court put an end to that, and he was installed as Commander-in-Chief. On August 6, 2001, he was on a month-long vacation at his ranch in Texas. That morning, the White House Counsel handed him his daily national security briefing. He glanced at it, set it aside and then went fishing for the rest of the day. Below is the photo of that moment which I showed the world in "Fahrenheit 9/11". The headline on the security briefing reads: BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE U.S. On the top page it tells how bin Laden will do this: with planes. George W. Bush didn't leave the ranch to go back to work for the next four weeks. In the fifth week, bin Laden attacked the US with planes on September 11th.

It's one thing to have a president who was asleep at the wheel. But, my friends, it's a whole other thing to now have a president-elect who REFUSES TO EVEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL! This utter neglect of duty, a daily snub at the people who work to protect us, the first Commander-in-Chief to literally be AWOL and announcing proudly he isn't going to change -- this, I assure you, is going to get a lot of innocent people killed. "

Obama has had a lot of innocent people killed in Syria.

And Michael Moore is an idiot.

Ulysses Gaze · 14-12-2016 10:37PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Obama has had a lot of innocent people killed in Syria.

And Michael Moore is an idiot.

And Libya as well.

HellSquirrel · 14-12-2016 10:38PM

el diablo wrote: »

Debunked by whom exactly? There is no doubt that the US are partly responsible for destabilizing Ukraine. You are quite naïve to believe otherwise.

Well, probably, yeah, but they didn't invade the place.

KingBrian2 · 14-12-2016 10:48PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Obama has had a lot of innocent people killed in Syria.

And Michael Moore is an idiot.

Yeah it was sec for state Hillary Clinton that was lying to the public about the involvement of proxies in the region.

Ulysses Gaze · 14-12-2016 10:50PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Yeah it was sec for state Hillary Clinton that was lying to the public about the involvement of proxies in the region.

Funny none of her supporters mentioned her involvement in this.

Christy42 · 14-12-2016 10:56PM

Man it would be nice to have a thread to discuss Donald Trump right about now. Course everyone seems to have acknowledged him and Putin are indefensible and so have cry HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA.

With one exception I haven't seen any of the Trump supporters address the security leaks in the Donald administration or the ridiculous conflicts of interest or even his admiration for a man who has done so much to destabilise various regions of the world and has shut down democracy in his own country.

Professor Moriarty · 14-12-2016 11:01PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Man it would be nice to have a thread to discuss Donald Trump right about now. Course everyone seems to have acknowledged him and Putin are indefensible and so have cry HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA.

With one exception I haven't seen any of the Trump supporters address the security leaks in the Donald administration or the ridiculous conflicts of interest or even his admiration for a man who has done so much to destabilise various regions of the world and has shut down democracy in his own country.

Many don't read, watch or listen to the news. When your news comes in the form of tweets from snake oil salesmen, you really don't get to know the truth. They don't want to know anyway and they're probably better off.

A Little Pony · 14-12-2016 11:05PM

Dead people voted in the election. I actually believe Trump when he says illegals voted.

Professor Moriarty · 14-12-2016 11:08PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Dead people voted in the election. I actually believe Trump when he says illegals voted.

Of course.

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 11:15PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

Man it would be nice to have a thread to discuss Donald Trump right about now. Course everyone seems to have acknowledged him and Putin are indefensible and so have cry HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA.

With one exception I haven't seen any of the Trump supporters address the security leaks in the Donald administration or the ridiculous conflicts of interest or even his admiration for a man who has done so much to destabilise various regions of the world and has shut down democracy in his own country.

Many don't read, watch or listen to the news. When your news comes in the form of tweets from snake oil salesmen, you really don't get to know the truth. They don't want to know anyway and they're probably better off.

I don't read the news cos they are all ****ing liars.

Professor Moriarty · 14-12-2016 11:16PM

ebbsy wrote: »

I don't read the news cos they are all ****ing liars.

Of course.

HellSquirrel · 14-12-2016 11:28PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Dead people voted in the election. I actually believe Trump when he says illegals voted.

Yeah, but you believe him when he says the sky's green, so that's not exactly a ringing commendation.

ECO_Mental · 14-12-2016 11:29PM

ebbsy wrote: »

I don't read the news cos they are all ****ing liars.

So where do you get your news/information where is this fountain of truth?

A Little Pony · 14-12-2016 11:35PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Dead people voted in the election. I actually believe Trump when he says illegals voted.

Yeah, but you believe him when he says the sky's green, so that's not exactly a ringing commendation.

Its not out of the question is it that voter fraud happened? I mean for people to vote for a lunatic like Hillary Clinton and all the illegal immigrants in America, is it really surprising if illegals voted?

Oafley Jones · 14-12-2016 11:38PM

Fascinating....

From @trumpnado2016:
1/ The Trump Org is NOT a corporation.
It is a mess of personally owned LLC's on Donald's personal income tax return.
2/ Because of the way Trump set up his biz, to personally benefit from tax losses, he CAN NOT disentangle personally.
3/ Trump's massive tax loss carry-forward was on his personal tax return, thus all income must ...
4/ ... must remain as personal income for Donald to be able to take advantage of this massive tax break.
5/ so even if Donald wanted to, Trump can not afford to disentangle as personal owner of 500+ personal LLC's.
6/ NO ONE has been asking why he would have 500+ sole proprietorships/partnerships.
It is the only way he can use these massive tax breaks.
7/ There are huge advantages of efficiency & capital to operate as a large real corporation, so Donald made this decision for this purpose.
8/ after decades of running his biz as 500+ LLC's, it would be financially impossible to untangle. Taking many years, if even possible.
9/ Trump CAN NOT untangle from personally benefiting from every deal made by Trump Org entities. He owns each one personally.
10/ most of these LLC's carry large debt from different banks, tied to that asset. Most have more debt than the asset is worth.
11/ with such massive debt, there is really no way to untangle this LLC mess of companies from Donald personally.
12/ further even if bankers allowed him to sell these biz's, he could not afford the massive tax payments that would result.
13/ selling these personal assets, even if saddled with massive debt would incur huge tax payments for Trump. He simply can't afford it.
14/ Trump also has massive annual expenses.
Over $20 mil just for the Trump Tower retail condo. He must generate massive cash flow.
And Wells Fargo owns the mortgage on Trump Tower retail condo, so yet another conflict of interest.
16/ Trump claims ownership of the Nike Store,
but yet another lie, he only owns a land lease of questionable value.
Block 1292 Lots 8,64,66
17/ NONE of the LLC's that own Nike Store are on Trump's FEC form. He rents the land from others.
18/ if you combine debt Trump has on Nike Store & 3 Trump Tower condos he owns, he's underwater, by a lot!
Trump DOES NOT own Trump Tower
19/ Trump DOES NOT own 40 Wall St.
He owns a land lease that is worth less than the debt he has on the property.
20/ When a land leases expires, all buildings/improvements on the property revert to property owner.
21/ Christian Hinneberg et al & other German partners OWN 40 Wall St. Trump just rents it from them.
22/ Trump has to get permission from the owner, Christian Hinneberg, to turn on the water at 40 Wall St.
23/ over 400 Trump LLC's are registered under highly secretive Delaware Corp laws.
We have no idea who his partners are,
or what debt
24/ Trump has set up a highly unusual labyrinth of secretive DE LLC's. There is no way he can, or will, disentangle his personal ownership.
25/ Trump requires a huge influx of new cash deals to service his massive existing expenses & debts, must make new deals or risk bankruptcy.
26/ No business journal has done a comprehensive estimate of Trump income/balance sheet/profit loss.
It can be done, but has not.
27/ Hotels & golf courses are notorious for marginal profits or losses, yet Trump is claiming massive unrealistic income from these biz's.
28/ Trump is lying
Trump biz's historically ALWAYS lose money.
He profits from govt zoning gifts & condo deals we know are mostly dark money
29/ Trump could not run a golf course or hotel at a profit, simply impossible based on his horrible management record.
23/ Equitable Life Insurance of the USA developed Trump Tower & owned the land.
Trump profited by bringing govt zoning gifts & ...
24/ ... being the front man for Equitable to partner with the mob, get ridiculous tax breaks & destroy a historic façade of Bonwitt Teller.
1/ Don't believe anything Trump tells you about retail rent. He had to give sweetheart rent deals to attract ...
2/ retail renters & when Trump was on the verge of bankruptcy I'd be too easy for Gucci & Nike to bargain rent WAY down.

Christy42 · 14-12-2016 11:39PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its not out of the question is it that voter fraud happened? I mean for people to vote for a lunatic like Hillary Clinton and all the illegal immigrants in America, is it really surprising if illegals voted?

It's not out of the question that Trump was working with Putin to get an edge in the election. I mean he admires the Putin and Putin would gain a lot from it. Trump also has few morals, is it really surprising if he committed treason?

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 11:42PM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

ebbsy wrote: »

I don't read the news cos they are all ****ing liars.

So where do you get your news/information where is this fountain of truth?

Fox.

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 11:43PM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Fascinating....

From @trumpnado2016:
1/ The Trump Org is NOT a corporation.
It is a mess of personally owned LLC's on Donald's personal income tax return.
2/ Because of the way Trump set up his biz, to personally benefit from tax losses, he CAN NOT disentangle personally.
3/ Trump's massive tax loss carry-forward was on his personal tax return, thus all income must ...
4/ ... must remain as personal income for Donald to be able to take advantage of this massive tax break.
5/ so even if Donald wanted to, Trump can not afford to disentangle as personal owner of 500+ personal LLC's.
6/ NO ONE has been asking why he would have 500+ sole proprietorships/partnerships.
It is the only way he can use these massive tax breaks.
7/ There are huge advantages of efficiency & capital to operate as a large real corporation, so Donald made this decision for this purpose.
8/ after decades of running his biz as 500+ LLC's, it would be financially impossible to untangle. Taking many years, if even possible.
9/ Trump CAN NOT untangle from personally benefiting from every deal made by Trump Org entities. He owns each one personally.
10/ most of these LLC's carry large debt from different banks, tied to that asset. Most have more debt than the asset is worth.
11/ with such massive debt, there is really no way to untangle this LLC mess of companies from Donald personally.
12/ further even if bankers allowed him to sell these biz's, he could not afford the massive tax payments that would result.
13/ selling these personal assets, even if saddled with massive debt would incur huge tax payments for Trump. He simply can't afford it.
14/ Trump also has massive annual expenses.
Over $20 mil just for the Trump Tower retail condo. He must generate massive cash flow.
And Wells Fargo owns the mortgage on Trump Tower retail condo, so yet another conflict of interest.
16/ Trump claims ownership of the Nike Store,
but yet another lie, he only owns a land lease of questionable value.
Block 1292 Lots 8,64,66
17/ NONE of the LLC's that own Nike Store are on Trump's FEC form. He rents the land from others.
18/ if you combine debt Trump has on Nike Store & 3 Trump Tower condos he owns, he's underwater, by a lot!
Trump DOES NOT own Trump Tower
19/ Trump DOES NOT own 40 Wall St.
He owns a land lease that is worth less than the debt he has on the property.
20/ When a land leases expires, all buildings/improvements on the property revert to property owner.
21/ Christian Hinneberg et al & other German partners OWN 40 Wall St. Trump just rents it from them.
22/ Trump has to get permission from the owner, Christian Hinneberg, to turn on the water at 40 Wall St.
23/ over 400 Trump LLC's are registered under highly secretive Delaware Corp laws.
We have no idea who his partners are,
or what debt
24/ Trump has set up a highly unusual labyrinth of secretive DE LLC's. There is no way he can, or will, disentangle his personal ownership.
25/ Trump requires a huge influx of new cash deals to service his massive existing expenses & debts, must make new deals or risk bankruptcy.
26/ No business journal has done a comprehensive estimate of Trump income/balance sheet/profit loss.
It can be done, but has not.
27/ Hotels & golf courses are notorious for marginal profits or losses, yet Trump is claiming massive unrealistic income from these biz's.
28/ Trump is lying
Trump biz's historically ALWAYS lose money.
He profits from govt zoning gifts & condo deals we know are mostly dark money
29/ Trump could not run a golf course or hotel at a profit, simply impossible based on his horrible management record.
23/ Equitable Life Insurance of the USA developed Trump Tower & owned the land.
Trump profited by bringing govt zoning gifts & ...
24/ ... being the front man for Equitable to partner with the mob, get ridiculous tax breaks & destroy a historic façade of Bonwitt Teller.
1/ Don't believe anything Trump tells you about retail rent. He had to give sweetheart rent deals to attract ...
2/ retail renters & when Trump was on the verge of bankruptcy I'd be too easy for Gucci & Nike to bargain rent WAY down.

Yeah but he still butchered Hillary in the election.

Trent Houseboat · 14-12-2016 11:45PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Dead people voted in the election. I actually believe Trump when he says illegals voted.

Why?

Nobody's doubting your belief, it's just a baseless belief based nothing more than a tweet from a moron. You're either willfully ignorant or lack critical thinking skills.

Do you think believing something makes it more true?
People believe with as much conviction as you that the earth is flat or that Auditing will clear their engrams.
They, like you, aren't letting facts get in the way of their beliefs.

A Little Pony · 14-12-2016 11:49PM

Christy42 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its not out of the question is it that voter fraud happened? I mean for people to vote for a lunatic like Hillary Clinton and all the illegal immigrants in America, is it really surprising if illegals voted?

It's not out of the question that Trump was working with Putin to get an edge in the election. I mean he admires the Putin and Putin would gain a lot from it. Trump also has few morals, is it really surprising if he committed treason?

The American revolutionary leaders committed treason, and they won. Trump won too.

Trent Houseboat · 14-12-2016 11:50PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Yeah but he still butchered Hillary in the election.

That has as much bearing on the post you quoted as my swimming certificate from 1992 (200m thank you very much).

Did you quote the wrong post or was it an exercise in smugness?

A Little Pony · 14-12-2016 11:50PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Dead people voted in the election. I actually believe Trump when he says illegals voted.

Why?

Nobody's doubting your belief, it's just a baseless belief based nothing more than a tweet from a moron. You're either willfully ignorant or lack critical thinking skills.

Do you think believing something makes it more true?
People believe with as much conviction as you that the earth is flat or that Auditing will clear their engrams.
They, like you, aren't letting facts get in the way of their beliefs.

Millions of illegals in America and people are telling me not one voted in the election? I just don't buy that.

Skylinehead · 14-12-2016 11:50PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Yeah but he still butchered Hillary in the election.

Mod: Enough of the irrelevant posts that add nothing. Knock off the trolling please

Oafley Jones · 14-12-2016 11:51PM

I genuinely can't understand why people waste their time with people whom can be best described as "having a want about them". Seriously, they're just a distraction and take away from an interesting topic. Recognise that there's no intelligence entry requirement for the net and move on.

Hank Scorpio · 14-12-2016 11:54PM

If the electors did flip, or they found another way to take the election from Trump, what do people think would be the consequences on a social level?

I have no doubt it would end up in civil war.

Trent Houseboat · 14-12-2016 11:59PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Millions of illegals in America and people are telling me not one voted in the election? I just don't buy that.

Millions of Trump fans in America and people are telling me that none of them voted twice and scared brown people away from polling stations and then were mean to their mammies. I have no proof or even suggestion that it happened, I just have blind faith that it happened.

rossie1977 · 15-12-2016 12:01AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

If the electors did flip, or they found another way to take the election from Trump, what do people think would be the consequences on a social level?

I have no doubt it would end up in civil war.

Nobody cares enough about trump to go to war for him

The red states aside from the likes of texas and one or two others are completely dependant on the money the big blue states pour into the government coffers each year so yeah unless they want to be completely cut off in the deep south and mid-west there would be no civil war

A Little Pony · 15-12-2016 12:02AM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Millions of illegals in America and people are telling me not one voted in the election? I just don't buy that.

Millions of Trump fans in America and people are telling me that none of them voted twice and scared brown people away from polling stations and then were mean to their mammies. I have no proof or even suggestion that it happened, I just have blind faith that it happened.

It probably did happen, that is the difference between me and you. I am not naive to just think it can't happen.

El Presidente Trump

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