Dublin @30km

magicbastarder · 08-12-2016 09:01AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Permanent ones on the poles.

how many permanent speed cameras are there like this in dublin?

Hilly Bill · 08-12-2016 10:08AM

A good few, i got done on the navan Road in cabra a good few years ago. Not a gatso van in sight. It was at the time they changed the limit to i think 40 from 50. A heap of people got done for doing 42 upwards.

coolbeans · 08-12-2016 10:19AM

Roadhawk wrote: »

.I for one will not be obeying it and will gladly accept the fine and points that come with it

What shall we do with lawless motorists?
It's law of the land, you should be obeying it. Altho from your agenda elsewhere your reasons are clear for all too see.

Dravokivich · 08-12-2016 10:50AM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Why do you think the cameras are there for? Not any pedestrian traffic on the blanch by pass where it's 30 kph but there's a gatso van parked up leading into in regularly.

I don't think you honestly don't know why they have a 30 speed limit by those M50 junctions. Every idiot in a truck that exceeds it, turns over.

sdanseo wrote: »

Ideal speed limits would be 70km/h on the wider, less populated arterial routes, 60km/h on the major arterial routes with some enhancements to pedestrian segregation, and 40km/h everywhere else.

To me that seems like too many varying limits, in a city where people already have difficulty identifying the 30 km/h zone (regardless of those who choose to ignore it). And as a follow up to my concerns regarding the trouble I've had with it, it was because the only sign on my route was sideways and the 30 km/h limit was obscured, with a sign for 50 Km/h on the back of it.

Fighting Tao · 08-12-2016 11:02AM

I'm all for the 30kph limits. It might speed up my journey when I'm in the car. This morning I managed 6.6 km in a really speedy 45 minutes. That's 8.8 kph. Believe it or not, all of that was in a 50 kph zone. Judging by this thread reverse psychology works and people will drive faster if the limits are decreased.

Observation of signs is up to the individual driving. If they repeatedly miss signs like an earlier poster then they can only blame themselves if they are caught. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Dravokivich · 08-12-2016 11:06AM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I'm all for the 30kph limits. It might speed up my journey when I'm in the car. This morning I managed 6.6 km in a really speedy 45 minutes. That's 8.8 kph. Believe it or not, all of that was in a 50 kph zone. Judging by this thread reverse psychology works and people will drive faster if the limits are decreased.

Observation of signs is up to the individual driving. If they repeatedly miss signs like an earlier poster then they can only blame themselves if they are caught. Ignorance is not an excuse.

That was me and I've just responded above stating why it happened.

plodder · 08-12-2016 11:11AM

I drive through Marino a bit, and was surprised to see in the map that it is a 30 km area already. There probably is signs at the entrances, but you'd miss them easily. It's not so much a problem there as the roads are so narrow and with traffic calming already in place, it's a natural enough speed. It would be a mistake to extrapolate from that to other places though. There should be a specific sign to denote a 30km area as opposed to a single road. Even an informational plate just saying that, could be added to the signs easily. Maybe road markings could be done as well.

Del2005 · 08-12-2016 11:18AM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Observation of signs is up to the individual driving. If they repeatedly miss signs like an earlier poster then they can only blame themselves if they are caught. Ignorance is not an excuse.

There are no repeat signs in the 30 zone and the start of the 30 zone is not highlighted so it isn't for safety. Drive into any town on a national route and there are massive signs indicating the 50 zone, drive into the 30 zone on one of the busiest pedestrian areas in the country and there is a tiny sign that can't be seen and is ignored by all road users.

It's a typical Irish BS approach to safety, pass loads of laws and get a great soundbite in the press but don't bother with enforcement. I'm sure that the person hit by the vehicle exceeding 50 will be over joyed by the fact that they shouldn't of been doing more than 30.

Fighting Tao · 08-12-2016 11:29AM

Del2005 wrote: »

There are no repeat signs in the 30 zone and the start of the 30 zone is not highlighted so it isn't for safety. Drive into any town on a national route and there are massive signs indicating the 50 zone, drive into the 30 zone on one of the busiest pedestrian areas in the country and there is a tiny sign that can't be seen and is ignored by all road users.

It's a typical Irish BS approach to safety, pass loads of laws and get a great soundbite in the press but don't bother with enforcement. I'm sure that the person hit by the vehicle exceeding 50 will be over joyed by the fact that they shouldn't of been doing more than 30.

The quays were highlighted as an example earlier. Repeated signs and road markings. They even have those led thank you signs for staying below the max speed limit. It is up to the driver to be aware of the speed limit that is signposted and to be aware and notice the signs for when they leave the zone.

Dravokivich · 08-12-2016 11:38AM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

The quays were highlighted as an example earlier. Repeated signs and road markings. They even have those led thank you signs for staying below the max speed limit. It is up to the driver to be aware of the speed limit that is signposted and to be aware and notice the signs for when they leave the zone.

Yet, it wasn't on the part where I was driving. The one and only 30km/h sign available on my route was facing the wrong way and displaying 50 Km/h as a result. If you want to highlight me as an example of someone not paying attention, start paying some yourself.

seamus · 08-12-2016 11:38AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i tried it a couple of months ago, albeit on the R108 which is not a road in any danger of dropping to 30.
yes, it's an odd situation, you're used to going faster when you've an open road in front of you - but the road conditions did make it seem odd, as this was on the stretch near ikea, with lots of visibility and at least two lanes in each direction.
but the issue was not a mechanical one, it was a psychological one.

Indeed, and in cases like the road past IKEA, there are no plans to reduce the speed on that road because conditions allow for higher speeds.

For the avoidance of doubt, here's the plan;

The only thing coming in immediately is the area in yellow (red being the current zones).

Even within this plan are a number of larger roads which won't be reduced.

I think the final phase will be the subject of the most debate, but it's hard to argue about why they shouldn't be 30km/h zones since you can't go 100m without hitting a set of lights in these areas anyway.

magicbastarder · 08-12-2016 12:04PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

A good few, i got done on the navan Road in cabra a good few years ago. Not a gatso van in sight. It was at the time they changed the limit to i think 40 from 50. A heap of people got done for doing 42 upwards.

40? there's no 40 limits on the navan road. unless you're referring to pre-metric days, but i certainly can't remember a limit of 50mph on that stretch.

LordSutch · 08-12-2016 12:24PM

40km/h (25mph) would make much more sense, specially when considering the extended green area as shown in the post above ^ otherwise, as others have said, the new 'ultra slow' limit will be ignored and abused by all ... Unfortunately, drivers will just see the ludicrously slow limit of 30km/h as just being a rough guide, and it will be ignored (because it's not realistic) specially on the roads that have been engineered & designed for more sensible speeds > 'as Connor Faughnan' of the AA has already said.

Roadhawk · 08-12-2016 12:30PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I would tend to agree with you ... but accroding to other posters here 30km/h is quite easy to maintain, just move up through the gears to 4th gear and you'll be fine. They say practice makes perfect.

Im sure it is easy to maintain when reversing out of the driveway but not commuting through the city. When idling in 4th my car is at 30km...i still think its completely ridiculous.

magicbastarder · 08-12-2016 12:39PM

given that average speeds in the city are probably well below 30km/h, i'm struggling to understand how cars are so ridiculously difficult to drive at this speed.

magicbastarder · 08-12-2016 12:42PM

according to google maps, the current driving time from DCU to UCD is 35 minutes, for a 13.9km drive. so just less than 24km/h.

Fighting Tao · 08-12-2016 12:56PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Yet, it wasn't on the part where I was driving. The one and only 30km/h sign available on my route was facing the wrong way and displaying 50 Km/h as a result. If you want to highlight me as an example of someone not paying attention, start paying some yourself.

I just checked the earlier post I was referring to and you said you didn't see them on the south quays on both poles and road. So I was paying attention to your posts.

As for the sign that is turned you could report it to DCC to get it fixed for the safety of everyone.

Roadhawk · 08-12-2016 01:18PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

given that average speeds in the city are probably well below 30km/h, i'm struggling to understand how cars are so ridiculously difficult to drive at this speed.

Im in the city at least 2-3 days per week and only do under 30 at certain pinch points where traffic is bad. If everyone was to do under 30 then less cars would get though the lights therefore backing up the traffic causing a wider traffic pattern. Cars will be in the city for longer. Taxis will cost more cause they will have an excuse to go slower. Buses will have to go slower resulting in longer journey times. More motorists will be driven to use the M50 which is already chaotic.

Dravokivich · 08-12-2016 01:19PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I just checked the earlier post I was referring to and you said you didn't see them on the south quays on both poles and road. So I was paying attention to your posts.

As for the sign that is turned you could report it to DCC to get it fixed for the safety of everyone.

I'd also clearly referenced my route by saying I go onto the quays on the south side from Capel St. There is no signage in that area for speed limits of 30 km/h. On Capel St, or throughout Parnell St. Other than at the start of Parnell St. Which shows 50km/h due to it being the wrong way around.

I only know of the problem with it now after only expecting to see where the 30km/h sign should be yesterday.

I've consistently posted about how ambiguous the location of the current zone is and have since shown I couldn't possibly know of it's existence. Yet you still seem to think I've not been aware of the sign, which for all intents and purposes didn't exist.

Roadhawk · 08-12-2016 01:22PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

according to google maps, the current driving time from DCU to UCD is 35 minutes, for a 13.9km drive. so just less than 24km/h.

Yes if your speed was a constant but is not. You could be sitting still at lights for a good portion of that trip and then doing 60/70Km in some spots. If there was a limit of 30 implied then it would clearly slow the journey.

CramCycle · 08-12-2016 01:40PM

Roadhawk wrote: »

Yes if your speed was a constant but is not. You could be sitting still at lights for a good portion of that trip and then doing 60/70Km in some spots. If there was a limit of 30 implied then it would clearly slow the journey.

Far easier to implement a green wave with a consistent speed.

Skylinehead · 08-12-2016 02:26PM

I'd be interested in what constitutes an "arterial" road here. N roads only? I can't imagine driving up the Ballymun road, which is a 3 lane R road, at 30.

markpb · 08-12-2016 02:36PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

I'd be interested in what constitutes an "arterial" road here. N roads only? I can't imagine driving up the Ballymun road, which is a 3 lane R road, at 30.

At a guess: Clontarf rd, Howth rd, Malahide rd, Swords rd, Ballymun rd, Finglas rd, Navan rd and their equivalents on the south-side are considered arterial and will retain their current limits.

magicbastarder · 08-12-2016 02:37PM

Roadhawk wrote: »

Yes if your speed was a constant but is not. You could be sitting still at lights for a good portion of that trip and then doing 60/70Km in some spots. If there was a limit of 30 implied then it would clearly slow the journey.

of course it would slow it down, but not by as much as many people think. for the journey above (DCU-UCD), if you were able to drive at a constant 50km/h, it'd take 17 minutes rather than the stated 35. so the journey more than doubles due to traffic and traffic lights, etc.
i.e. the majority of the journey time is congested and thus unaffected by the limit.

i used to have to drive quite a bit around the country in a previous job (before many of the motorways were in place). i quickly learned that the biggest factor in journey time was not how fast you go on the fast sections, but how slow you go on the slow sections.

Roadhawk · 08-12-2016 03:05PM

Irish Times had reported on 30km topic a few months back. Just after the proposed map there is a public "for vs against". Not that it has any sway on decision but its currently at 80% against the implementation of 30km...just saying.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/speed-limits-to-be-reduced-to-30km-h-across-dublin-1.2653820

Skylinehead · 08-12-2016 03:19PM

markpb wrote: »

At a guess: Clontarf rd, Howth rd, Malahide rd, Swords rd, Ballymun rd, Finglas rd, Navan rd and their equivalents on the south-side are considered arterial and will retain their current limits.

Maybe, and the likes of Griffith and Collins. But even roads like the Ballygall Road, which isn't arterial at all, are wide and empty enough to make 30km/h a bit silly.

Hilly Bill · 08-12-2016 03:26PM

coolbeans wrote: »

What shall we do with lawless motorists?
It's law of the land, you should be obeying it. Altho from your agenda elsewhere your reasons are clear for all too see.

This is Ireland where red means another 3 cars, or it doesn't exist for some cyclist and pedestrians. It should happen but it doesn't,. What's his agenda?

Hilly Bill · 08-12-2016 03:28PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't think you honestly don't know why they have a 30 speed limit by those M50 junctions. Every idiot in a truck that exceeds it, turns over.

To me that seems like too many varying limits, in a city where people already have difficulty identifying the 30 km/h zone (regardless of those who choose to ignore it). And as a follow up to my concerns regarding the trouble I've had with it, it was because the only sign on my route was sideways and the 30 km/h limit was obscured, with a sign for 50 Km/h on the back of it.

Try slowing down to go up a hill, it doesn't always go too well. All that's needed is a warning sign.

Hilly Bill · 08-12-2016 03:35PM

Deedsie wrote: »

The "I got done" language is tiresome. You got caught for breaking the legal speed limit and were prosecuted by the Gardaí and rightly so.

We pay our taxes so AGS will uphold the law and keep people safe. That's their job. Follow the rules of the road and you won't "get done" in future and the rest of us won't have to pay stupidly expensive insurance premiums.

You really think someone going 5 over limit is the reason the insurance goes up? :-D

Carawaystick · 08-12-2016 03:41PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

I'd be interested in what constitutes an "arterial" road here. N roads only? I can't imagine driving up the Ballymun road, which is a 3 lane R road, at 30.

If only there were some documents published by the council to explain this and answer frequently asked questions

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