El Presidente Trump

07-12-2016 11:11AM

Billy86 wrote: »

So it turns out Trump's lying Tweets about Boeing yesterday dropped the company's share price $1.2bn. How many manufacturing jobs is that going to lose in their facility at small town, blue collar Everett, WA? It's populations is 103,000 and Boeing employee 30,000 there.

You realise share value has zero impact on business operations? I mean come on, forgetting trump etc, you really should know that.

Billy86 · 07-12-2016 11:13AM

Christy42 wrote: »

While he is an idiot I doubt it will cost any. The share prices dipped and will recover when people realise he is not going to stop the order going through. He is all hot air. On twitter he can give the impression of saving tax payer money and stopping silly spending without actually doing anything.

Well if that doesn't cost US manufacturing jobs for Boeing, you can guarantee his attempts at a trade war with China will - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/a-trade-war-with-china-would-be-bad-news-for-boeing

hroughout his campaign, President-elect Donald Trump railed against China and its trade practices, saying it’s sucked jobs out of the U.S. His prescription: to prosecute trade cases against the country for its “unfair subsidy behavior” and slap tariffs as high as 45 percent on its exports. If Trump makes good on his threat to spark a trade fight, chances are that the largest exporter in the U.S.—Boeing—will be one of its first casualties. “China will take a tit-for-tat approach then,” wrote the Chinese government-controlled Global Times in an editorial on Nov. 13. “A batch of Boeing orders will be replaced by Airbus.”

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This year alone, Boeing stands to reap an estimated $11.03 billion from 164 plane deliveries to China. Most of those sales are for narrow-body 737 jets, the company’s most profitable model. Since 2000 the manufacturer has delivered 967 aircraft to China, worth about $60.2 billion at 2016 prices, according to FlightGlobal data crunched by Bloomberg Intelligence.

Professor Moriarty · 07-12-2016 11:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise share value has zero impact on business operations? I mean come on, forgetting trump etc, you really should know that.

How so? For example, if a company's shares drop in value then the shareholders may demand that the company implement a business plan to increase profit thereby affecting business operations.

AllGunsBlazing · 07-12-2016 11:21AM

Has it already been four weeks since the world ended? Time sure does fly.

Christy42 · 07-12-2016 11:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, when did I come close to saying that?

Do you honestly think be deserves to be impeached because he currently has conflicts of interest? The subject at hand here seems to be that his wife sells shoes?

He has his daughter sit in on official meetings which is a big no no when the only benefit seems to be for her busoness and he has other conflicts of interest. All need to be cut or the POTUS will be entirely compromised.

I mean you are happy to say he has conflicts and seems to keeping them and yet you don't want him removed from office?

Billy86 · 07-12-2016 11:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise share value has zero impact on business operations? I mean come on, forgetting trump etc, you really should know that.

Worse share value = less investment, less sales, less stability and more reluctance from potential partners. Christy42 may be right in that Boeing will be able to weather Trump's idiocy if he comes to his senses and rows back on his rhetoric before real damage can be done, but he doesn't exactly have a history of doing that, now does he?

Akrasia · 07-12-2016 11:44AM

How long before Trump figures out that he can temporarily lower share prices by tweeting something.

That's a talent that's worth an awful lot of money.

If I knew in advance that Trump was gonna say something crazy about Boeing shares at 11 am, I could short those shares at 10:59....

dudara · 07-12-2016 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise share value has zero impact on business operations? I mean come on, forgetting trump etc, you really should know that.

It's not a direct effect, but it's very much an indirect effect.

Share prices down, less investor confidence. Less investor confidence, less ability to raise money to fund business projects and operations.

Now to be honest, Boeing are a big fish, and one dip in share price is recoverable as a blip. However, what if Trump continues to display this level of interference in the markets?

Hande hoche! · 07-12-2016 02:12PM

See that Time magazine have selected Donald Trump as their person of the year. Logical choice.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38238892

Billy86 · 07-12-2016 02:20PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

See that Time magazine have selected Donald Trump as their person of the year. Logical choice.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38238892

In the great company of Nixon, Stalin and Hitler.

Makes sense though in a way since it's based on "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year", though in truth that should really see it going to to Putin.

Hande hoche! · 07-12-2016 02:30PM

Billy86 wrote: »

In the great company of Nixon, Stalin and Hitler.

Makes sense though in a way since it's based on "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year", though in truth that should really see it going to to Putin.

No love for Khomeini?

Sure Putin won it in the past, don't want him getting a big head.

Billy86 · 07-12-2016 02:33PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

No love for Khomeini? Sure Putin won it in the past, don't want him getting a big head.

Well we know that Trump has been bailed out by the upper echelons of Arab society with suspected links to terrorism on more than one occasion, but I figured I'd just leave it to three for now.

Trent Houseboat · 07-12-2016 04:03PM

Akrasia wrote:

How long before Trump figures out that he can temporarily lower share prices by tweeting something.

That's a talent that's worth an awful lot of money.

It's worse than that. He believes any auld guff he reads on the internet. He repeats tweets as if they're fact.
It's to the point where it could be Pepe who's effecting share prices just for keks.

A Little Pony · 07-12-2016 04:12PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

ebbsy wrote: »

So what does that make the losers then ?

There's plenty of them around.

At least we can all agree that he's a moron.

Which loses are you referring to? The ones who voted for him thinking he was less corrupt than Clinton? The ones who thought he was going to imprison his political opposition only to find out he was lying about that? The ones who thought he was going to build a wall? The ones who thought he was going to drain the swamp? The ones who favour small government and just saw him use his position to influence a state's finances and interfere with the free market. The ones who might not get jobs out because companies see the president influencing business and opt to invest in somewhere that looks less like a banana Republic.

You'd imagine they feel betrayed and used, but as is common in abusive relationships they're convinced that he loves them. They continue to compare him unfavourably to his beaten opponent at though it means anything anymore and fail to see through his lies.

If you're talking about the losers who said for the past two years that he was a liar and a fraud I'd imagine they're angry but not surprised by his ineptitude.

You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will hate him. Trump will never please some people. He is still the next President though and kicked ass in the campaign.

ScumLord · 07-12-2016 04:14PM

dudara wrote: »

It's not a direct effect, but it's very much an indirect effect.

Share prices down, less investor confidence. Less investor confidence, less ability to raise money to fund business projects and operations.

Which is why I hate shares, markets shouldn't be at the mercy of banking gamblers weak knees.

Billy86 · 07-12-2016 04:54PM

A member of the Trump transition team who is not one of his family members that is a part of it, nor one of the Goldman Sachs swamp dwellers who is a part of it, has resigned due to their role in spreading the fake Pizzagate news story that nearly got people shot the other day. And by spreading it, I mean continuing to do so after it nearly cost innocent people their lives.

https://twitter.com/mflynnJR/status/805611056009768960

Michael Flynn Junior... sound familiar? It should, his dad (no nepotism in this swamp!) has been appointed national security advisor of the Trump regime.

Like father, like son...

https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/794000841518776320

tara73 · 07-12-2016 05:04PM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/06/news/companies/trump-air-force-one-boeing/index.html

what do people make of this? When I read it today in the newspaper my first thought was: that's amazing, that's great, a president who says he doesn't need such an expense and that it's completely over the top. Comes across a bit like Pope Francis (ok, with saying this, don't know if I'll get out of this thread mentally alive...:P) who doesn't need a big car, who's just driving in his old renault.

but surely I don't trust this man. I ask myself does he mean it or ist it a mindgame, to make (naive) people believe he's actually a good president and behind the curtains doing his sh***.

I'm very confused I have to say, maybe he's not as bad as I (people) thought. I also liked his phone call with the taiwanese president. Why on earth shouldn't he telephone with any president of any country if he feels the need to? Offending China. Omg, Jesus wept. So he can't talk to the taiwanese president because china gets angry. this stuff belongs into kindergardens, but not in the political world.
He's sticking to his nonconformal attitude he showed in his campaign. And that I like. With that I'm not saying I like his mysoginist, racist comments and attitude, but it's not all black and white for me with him.

Trent Houseboat · 07-12-2016 05:08PM

A Little Pony wrote:

You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will hate him. Trump will never please some people. He is still the next President though and kicked ass in the campaign.

Hate might be a bit strong. I don't think he's smart enough to hate.
Trump is a game show host with a track record of failing at business, he's no mastermind, he just came along at a time when faith in public institutions was at an all time low.
He's a narcissist with brand recognition. Invaluable in politics.
He's currently on a thank you tour. The only person alive who could thing that going to venues to hear thousands of people shout his name and fawn over him is a way of saying thanks. What class of simpleton is that.

Depends on what you mean when you say I don't want him to succeed. Succeed at personally enriching himself by abusing his office. He'd see that as a success (you'd probably agree because he can do no wrong) but I wouldn't.
Taking health insurance from 20 million people wouldn't be a success in my eyes either.
Neither would a trade war with China.
Appointing judge(s) to the supreme court who would endanger the rights of LGBT community and women would be a success for him, but not in my eyes.

You really have to be more specific that "succeed", and no "MAGA" is not more specific.

By the way did you ever find the numbers on that Boeng deal or would you like to withdraw your assertion what it was a waste of money and Donald was brilliant?
Or do you want admit that you just want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will love him. Trump will never displease some people.

Looking forward to all the specifics.

Billy86 · 07-12-2016 05:13PM

tara73 wrote: »

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/06/news/companies/trump-air-force-one-boeing/index.html

what do people make of this? When I read it today in the newspaper my first thought was: that's amazing, that's great, a president who says he doesn't need such an expense and that it's completely over the top. Comes across a bit like Pope Francis (ok, with saying this, don't know if I'll get out of this thread mentally alive...:P) who doesn't need a big car, who's just driving in his old renault.

but surely I don't trust this man. I ask myself does he mean it or ist it a mindgame, to make (naive) people believe he's actually a good president and behind the curtains doing his sh***.

I'm very confused I have to say, maybe he's not as bad as I (people) thought. I also liked his phone call with the taiwanese president. Why on earth shouldn't he telephone with any president of any country? Offending China. Omg, Jesus wept. So he can't talk to the taiwanese president because china gets angry. this stuff belongs into kindergardens, but not in the political world.
He's sticking to his nonconformal attitude he showed in his campaign. And that I like. With that I'm not saying I like his mysoginist, racist comments and attitude, but it's not all black and white for me with him.

Been covered through the last few pages, the Tweet was just yet another lie by Trump. The Trump fans on here claiming to be worried about US blue collar jobs would surely be worried about how this kind of dishonesty would jeopardise the jobs of 30,000 production and manufacturing staff at Boeing's facility in Everett, WA (population 103,000 - the town would implode without said facility) - but the truth of the matter is they don't give a sh*t about blue collar/manufacturing jobs.

It turns out the reason Trump tweeted the lie was because his fragile ego was hurt:
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/806192671891083264

Also, the Taiwan problem is that the US does not recognise Taiwan as a nation due to their relationship with China, which Trump was clearly oblivious to. The Trump supporters who were worried about worsening US/Russian relations and how they could lead to war would surely be worried about this kind of incompetence mixed in with all his other rhetoric towards China could lead down a similar part - but the truth of the matter is they don't give a sh*t about the potential for war.

Again, down to Trump's desperate need to have his fragile ego stroked as often as possible.

Trent Houseboat · 07-12-2016 05:13PM

tara73 wrote:

Comes across a bit like Pope Francis (ok, with saying this, don't know if I'll get out of this thread mentally alive...) who doesn't need a big car, who's just driving in his old renault.

You're talking about a man who lives in a golden penthouse in Manhattan filled with golden furniture. All the many portraits of himself also have gold frames.

tara73 wrote:

He's sticking to his nonconformal attitude he showed in his campaign. And that I like. With that I'm not saying I like his mysoginist, racist comments and attitude, but it's not all black and white for me with him.

He might be racist, but at least he doesn't know what he's doing and unwilling to learn.

InTheTrees · 07-12-2016 05:35PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will hate him. Trump will never please some people.

Well its a lot more then that isnt there? He has plans for what he wants to do to the country when he becomes president and a lot of people (actually the majority who voted) disagree with those plans.

Thats why they oppose him. Thats politics.

A Little Pony · 07-12-2016 05:40PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote:

You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will hate him. Trump will never please some people. He is still the next President though and kicked ass in the campaign.

Hate might be a bit strong. I don't think he's smart enough to hate.
Trump is a game show host with a track record of failing at business, he's no mastermind, he just came along at a time when faith in public institutions was at an all time low.
He's a narcissist with brand recognition. Invaluable in politics.
He's currently on a thank you tour. The only person alive who could thing that going to venues to hear thousands of people shout his name and fawn over him is a way of saying thanks. What class of simpleton is that.

Depends on what you mean when you say I don't want him to succeed. Succeed at personally enriching himself by abusing his office. He'd see that as a success (you'd probably agree because he can do no wrong) but I wouldn't.
Taking health insurance from 20 million people wouldn't be a success in my eyes either.
Neither would a trade war with China.
Appointing judge(s) to the supreme court who would endanger the rights of LGBT community and women would be a success for him, but not in my eyes.

You really have to be more specific that "succeed", and no "MAGA" is not more specific.

By the way did you ever find the numbers on that Boeng deal or would you like to withdraw your assertion what it was a waste of money and Donald was brilliant?
Or do you want admit that you just want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will love him. Trump will never displease some people.

Looking forward to all the specifics.

You do have to laugh at nobodies accusing a guy worth billions as a 'business failure'. It is laughable, he is such a failure :rolleyes:

I think everyone will try to fail in life like Donald Trump, you might end up being President or leader of your own country one day. Fail away.

A Little Pony · 07-12-2016 05:42PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

You don't want him to succeed, so no matter what he does, you will hate him. Trump will never please some people.

Well its a lot more then that isnt there? He has plans for what he wants to do to the country when he becomes president and a lot of people (actually the majority who voted) disagree with those plans.

Thats why they oppose him. Thats politics.

He could find a cure for cancer and people would still try and find fault with it.

humanji · 07-12-2016 05:45PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

You do have to laugh at nobodies accusing a guy worth billions as a 'business failure'. It is laughable, he is such a failure :rolleyes:

I think everyone will try to fail in life like Donald Trump, you might end up being President or leader of your own country one day. Fail away.

He inherited billions and has been bankrupt more times than anyone else in history. It's not exactly a stretch to call him a business failure.

A Little Pony wrote:

He could find a cure for cancer and people would still try and find fault with it.

Likewise, he could rape a baby on TV and some people will still defend him.

A Little Pony · 07-12-2016 05:50PM

humanji wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

You do have to laugh at nobodies accusing a guy worth billions as a 'business failure'. It is laughable, he is such a failure :rolleyes:

I think everyone will try to fail in life like Donald Trump, you might end up being President or leader of your own country one day. Fail away.

He inherited billions and has been bankrupt more times than anyone else in history. It's not exactly a stretch to call him a business failure.

A Little Pony wrote:

He could find a cure for cancer and people would still try and find fault with it.

Likewise, he could rape a baby on TV and some people will still defend him.

Of course it is stupid to call him a failure. He is super rich and now the next President of the US. Bankruptcy is not always a bad thing either, many times it is sensible.

InTheTrees · 07-12-2016 05:51PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

He could find a cure for cancer and people would still try and find fault with it.

If you could adequately defend his policies I'd take what you say seriously but you're just whining about political opposition.

Its his plans for the country that people hate almost as much as they hate him.

humanji · 07-12-2016 05:57PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Of course it is stupid to call him a failure. He is super rich and now the next President of the US. Bankruptcy is not always a bad thing either, many times it is sensible.

Being president isn't a business success (although he's currently trying to make it that way). And being rich isn't really evidence of being a successful business man when he'd be richer if he hadn't a succession of failed businesses. The guy is not a financial genius. I don't understand why people keep thinking he is.

Professor Moriarty · 07-12-2016 06:03PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Of course it is stupid to call him a failure. He is super rich and now the next President of the US. Bankruptcy is not always a bad thing either, many times it is sensible.

Are you a robot?

A Little Pony · 07-12-2016 06:21PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

He could find a cure for cancer and people would still try and find fault with it.

If you could adequately defend his policies I'd take what you say seriously but you're just whining about political opposition.

Its his plans for the country that people hate almost as much as they hate him.

Whine away about him, won't make any difference.

ebbsy · 07-12-2016 06:24PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

See that Time magazine have selected Donald Trump as their person of the year. Logical choice.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38238892

He is the greatest Time person of the year.

El Presidente Trump

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