How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

JamboMac · 03-12-2016 03:12PM

So are lots of Galway people not Irish thanks to the Spanish sailors getting washed up. The thing I love of most of this idiocy is that all those big rah heads got rid MC or O' from their name and then claim to be the most Irish with anglicised names.

dd972 · 03-12-2016 03:18PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

If you're born here, or your parents are Irish, then you're Irish.

Correction - If you're born in the U.S with one Irish ancestor from the 1860's, your're an Irish American.

If your born in Perfidious Albion to two Irish speaking parents from the Gaeltacht, only speak Irish most of the time, are called Seomsamh Oisin Breathnach-MacCarthaigh, have an Irish passport

and moved here aged one day old

you're a Tan and a Brit and a Plastic Paddy wannabe. :op

dd972 · 03-12-2016 03:23PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

If you are born in the Republic of Ireland, you're Irish.

If you're not born in the Republic of Ireland then you're not Irish.

Simple really.

People are not their birthplaces, so your're saying a child born here to Chinese parents who gets moved back to China at three years old is more Irish than David O'Leary, Ronan O'Gara or Dermot O'Leary, definition by mere place is a simpleton's argument.

8-10 · 04-12-2016 05:59AM

dd972 wrote: »

People are not their birthplaces, so your're saying a child born here to Chinese parents who gets moved back to China at three years old is more Irish than David O'Leary, Ronan O'Gara or Dermot O'Leary, definition by mere place is a simpleton's argument.

And it's such a simplistic argument that it ignores all those who were born before 1949 as non Irish, Michael D Higgins for example. Idiotic

Skommando · 05-12-2016 11:49PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

If you are born in the Republic of Ireland, you're Irish.

If you're not born in the Republic of Ireland then you're not Irish.

Simple really.

Not really.

Are Irish Citizens not Irish ?

wakka12 · 06-12-2016 01:02AM

seamus wrote: »

You don't get to arbitrarily decide what makes someone "Irish".

Without the constitution, "Irish" doesn't actually exist except as a romantic concept like Semites, Kurds, Celts or Geordies.

If you were granted south korean citizenship tomorrow, and lets say for the sake of argument, that you were really into integrating, do you think you or anyone else would consider you as korean as any other korean just because of the citizenship you were granted? Maybe they are romantic terms but there is certainly more to it than that, even the most bleeding heart liberal would have to agree

Parachutes · 06-12-2016 01:02AM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

If you are born in the Republic of Ireland, you're Irish.

If you're not born in the Republic of Ireland then you're not Irish.

Simple really.

So if you're born in Cavan = Irish, born in Fermanagh = not Irish.

Very silly.

Solomon Pleasant · 06-12-2016 09:48AM

Parachutes wrote: »

So if you're born in Cavan = Irish, born in Fermanagh = not Irish.

Very silly.

Well as Fermanagh isn't even in Ireland, that would be correct.

seamus · 06-12-2016 10:06AM

wakka12 wrote: »

If you were granted south korean citizenship tomorrow, and lets say for the sake of argument, that you were really into integrating, do you think you or anyone else would consider you as korean as any other korean just because of the citizenship you were granted? Maybe they are romantic terms but there is certainly more to it than that, even the most bleeding heart liberal would have to agree

It's kind of irrelevant what other people thought of me. I would be legally Korean, with all the same rights and obligations as any other Korean. That's all that actually matters. Without legal recognition, you have nothing except an arbitrary label that you're sticking on yourself.

Tigger · 06-12-2016 10:17AM

Patww79 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

To expand that out your parents have to be born here to Irish parents and so
On

The flying mouse · 06-12-2016 10:29AM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Well as Fermanagh isn't even in Ireland, that would be correct.

Where is it ?

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 11:20AM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Well as Fermanagh isn't even in Ireland, that would be correct.

Bollocks.

8-10 · 06-12-2016 11:29AM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Well as Fermanagh isn't even in Ireland

......................

Mars Bar · 06-12-2016 11:43AM

I was born in England to Irish parents and moved to Ireland when I was a toddler. My passport is Irish.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm Irish.

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 11:51AM

Mars Bar wrote: »

I was born in England to Irish parents and moved to Ireland when I was a toddler. My passport is Irish.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm Irish.

Agreed, but I'm afraid the Paramilitary Wing of the ICA on here would disagree!

Solomon Pleasant · 06-12-2016 12:00PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

Where is it ?

Britain.

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 12:02PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Britain.

I reiterate: Bollocks.

"Britain" is the ISLAND of Great Britain.

You MIGHT argue that the County of Fermanagh is currently, technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and North Ireland.

Careful not to trip on your sash there squire.

8-10 · 06-12-2016 12:03PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Britain.

Oh dear

Solomon Pleasant · 06-12-2016 03:58PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I reiterate: Bollocks.

"Britain" is the ISLAND of Great Britain.

You MIGHT argue that the County of Fermanagh is currently, technically part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and North Ireland.

Careful not to trip on your sash there squire.

I apologise, what I meant was that Fermanagh is a part of the United Kingdom, which it is. It most definitely is not a part of the Republic of Ireland.

AnGaelach · 06-12-2016 04:09PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I apologise, what I meant was that Fermanagh is a part of the United Kingdom, which it is. It most definitely is not a part of the Republic of Ireland.

The only people who think that an Irishman being born in Derry or Fermanagh makes him British are the same ones who think Cuchulainn was a Unionist.

Parachutes · 06-12-2016 04:10PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I apologise, what I meant was that Fermanagh is a part of the United Kingdom, which it is. It most definitely is not a part of the Republic of Ireland.

Surely someone born on the island of IRELAND, regardless of political jurisdiction is Irish? Even if Irish in conjunction with being British, as subjects of the United Kingdom?

Great Britain is an island, Ireland is a separate island. Fermanagh is certainly not located in Britain.

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 04:28PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Surely someone born on the island of IRELAND, regardless of political jurisdiction is Irish? Even if Irish in conjunction with being British, as subjects of the United Kingdom?

Great Britain is an island, Ireland is a separate island. Fermanagh is certainly not located in Britain.

+1

I'm afraid our bowler hatted wearing throwbacks would disagree.

But then they're nuts.

Solomon Pleasant · 06-12-2016 04:32PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Surely someone born on the island of IRELAND, regardless of political jurisdiction is Irish? Even if Irish in conjunction with being British, as subjects of the United Kingdom?

Great Britain is an island, Ireland is a separate island. Fermanagh is certainly not located in Britain.

This example is an extremely divided and controversial one. Maybe people born in the north consider themselves to be English, others Irish. My initial point relating to your nationality being based on your place of birth is still widely accurate and the little issue of Northern Ireland is perhaps one area where people have a small, somewhat point in arguing it. The fact is that a lot of people from the 6 counties aren't entirely sure if their nationality and neither, it seems, are the people on the other side of the border.

seamus · 06-12-2016 04:35PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Agreed, but I'm afraid the Paramilitary Wing of the ICA on here would disagree!

The Irish Countrywomen's Association?

Carlos Orange · 06-12-2016 04:36PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Maybe people born in the north consider themselves to be English

citation required

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 04:36PM

seamus wrote: »

The Irish Countrywomen's Association?

Yeah, the "I'm born in Leitrim so I will say whether you are Irish or not - and don't argue!"

Couldn't think of another group that worked!!!

Solomon Pleasant · 06-12-2016 04:38PM

psinno wrote: »

citation required

It's difficult to send a link for what people have actually said to me.

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 04:39PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

It's difficult to send a link for what people have actually said to me.

Down the Lodge no doubt.

Solomon Pleasant · 06-12-2016 04:39PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Down the Lodge no doubt.

Thankfully not.

Parachutes · 06-12-2016 04:40PM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

This example is an extremely divided and controversial one. Maybe people born in the north consider themselves to be English, others Irish. My initial point relating to your nationality being based on your place of birth is still widely accurate and the little issue of Northern Ireland is perhaps one area where people have a small, somewhat point in arguing it. The fact is that a lot of people from the 6 counties aren't entirely sure if their nationality and neither, it seems, are the people on the other side of the border.

There is nothing controversial about my post. I could be born in Dublin and have Irish parents but consider myself Russian, doesn't make me so.

If you are born on any part of Ireland you are Irish by definition even if you claim you're not due to political beliefs. Similarly, if you are born in Scotland, you are Scottish (as well as being British) whether you like it or not.

How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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