Louise O Neill on rape culture.

Connacht2KXX · 05-12-2016 10:09AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Has she written about Muslims though? I don't recall seeing any articles posted here in relation to the topic but I'm sure I'll be corrected.

99% certain she hasn't published any specific articles but has sent out a few throwaway tweets about them so as to make herself look like she's empathetic etc. All part of an act.

kunst nugget · 05-12-2016 10:21AM

Connacht2KXX wrote: »

99% certain she hasn't published any specific articles but has sent out a few throwaway tweets about them so as to make herself look like she's empathetic etc. All part of an act.

What are the tweets though? I had a quick google but couldn't find anything. Fair enough, attack her on some of the more ridiculous things she has written but there seems to be a narrative being constructed here by filling in the blanks so that she can be attacked using generalised anti-sjw arguments.

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 10:29AM

Louise doesn't care about Muslim women. She is hardly going to stick her head over the parapet to write about their issues, is she?

She's not that desperate for money that she'd risk death threats even if she did care.

FortySeven · 05-12-2016 10:50AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Louise doesn't care about Muslim women. She is hardly going to stick her head over the parapet to write about their issues, is she?

She's not that desperate for money that she'd risk death threats even if she did care.

When it comes to Muslim women the silence from first world feminists is deafening.

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 10:55AM

FortySeven wrote: »

When it comes to Muslim women the silence from first world feminists is deafening.

So far feminists have explained it to me more or less like this:

Male circumcision (because it's associated in their minds with Jews, even though it's also common among Muslims) = our business

Female genital mutilation (because it's associated with Islamic countries, despite not being a religious practice)= Not out religion, none of our business, we don't interfere with other peoples 'culture'.

FortySeven · 05-12-2016 11:12AM

Widdershins wrote: »

So far feminists have explained it to me more or less like this:

Male circumcision (because it's associated in their minds with Jews, even though it's also common among Muslims) = our business

Female genital mutilation (because it's associated with Islamic countries, despite not being a religious practice)= Not out religion, none of our business, we don't interfere with other peoples 'culture'.

Too much like hard, dangerous work. Much easier to sit in their study sniping away on Twitter about mansplaining and other such nonsense.

Connacht2KXX · 05-12-2016 11:12AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What are the tweets though? I had a quick google but couldn't find anything. Fair enough, attack her on some of the more ridiculous things she has written but there seems to be a narrative being constructed here by filling in the blanks so that she can be attacked using generalised anti-sjw arguments.

If you go into her twitter from the day the Donald was elected, you'll see a bunch of tweets about how much sympathy she has for Muslims.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/no-one-puts-their-children-in-a-boat-unless-the-water-is-safer-than-the-land-408116.html

This article by her definitely fills in the blanks. Every single word written here has been plagiarised. Just like her views on rape culture. Just like her views on privilege. Just like her views on race. Just like her views on Black Lives Matter. This is bad. I've outlined my opinion on ideologies so you can read about them on the last page.

I've also illustrated my opinion on Islam in different threads so I won't unpack it here, with regards to how insane her views are in this article.

It's disgraceful that almost 2k posts have been dedicated to this thread. This thread wouldn't exist if O'Neill didnt buy into her warped ideology.

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 11:17AM

FortySeven wrote: »

Too much like hard, dangerous work. Much easier to sit in their study sniping away on Twitter about mansplaining and other such nonsense.

And having to ask a man to put her luggage into the overhead rack on the train. FFS its a case of a taller person coming along, get over it.

She needs to grow up. She has a platform and she could make a difference if she bothered to use it to its full potential.

The_Captain · 05-12-2016 11:29AM

I've heard many feminists being massively concerned with women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa.

In fact, I don't think I've ever encountered someone calling themselves a feminist who had no issues with FGM.

I know women who point blank refuse to ever travel to places like Iran or Dubai because of how they treat women.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking this clickbait nonsense or tumblr attention grabbing represents all feminism.

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 11:36AM

The_Captain wrote: »

I've heard many feminists being massively concerned with women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa.

In fact, I don't think I've ever encountered someone calling themselves a feminist who had no issues with FGM.

I know women who point blank refuse to ever travel to places like Iran or Dubai because of how they treat women.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking this clickbait nonsense or tumblr attention grabbing represents all feminism.

She definitely doesn't represent all feminism but she's turning people off feminism, or at least making people uncomfortable with the label ''feminist'', in my opinion.

The_Captain · 05-12-2016 11:59AM

Widdershins wrote: »

She definitely doesn't represent all feminism but she's turning people off feminism, or at least making people uncomfortable with the label ''feminist'', in my opinion.

I agree completely. "Normal" women are embarrassed to call themselves feminists because they're viewed as socially backwards hysterical lunatics, a man calling himself a feminist is viewed as a weak-armed bearded loser desperate for any female attention.

Even the most mundane or sensible feminist proposals are attacked by hyper sensitive red-pill types afraid that any concession is the first step the criminalisation of heterosexual men while extreme feminists find oppression in their own shadows.

05-12-2016 02:30PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What are the tweets though? I had a quick google but couldn't find anything. Fair enough, attack her on some of the more ridiculous things she has written but there seems to be a narrative being constructed here by filling in the blanks so that she can be attacked using generalised anti-sjw arguments.

It stopped being about stuff LON actually said or did long ago.

Now it's about what people imagine she would say/do/cares about, and is basically just a conduit for soapboxing.

Outlaw Pete · 05-12-2016 03:43PM

Candie wrote: »

It stopped being about stuff LON actually said or did long ago.

No it didn't. I quoted her docu on the thread yesterday and in general posters are refuting her contention that there is a 'rape culture' in this country.

Now it's about what people imagine she would say/do/cares about, and is basically just a conduit for soapboxing.

It is in it's arse. The odd post sure, but in general people are commenting on things Louise has actually said, either in that show or on her Twitter page. Like saying 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' is a song about date rape. Things like that.

FortySeven · 05-12-2016 04:02PM

The_Captain wrote: »

I've heard many feminists being massively concerned with women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa.

In fact, I don't think I've ever encountered someone calling themselves a feminist who had no issues with FGM.

I know women who point blank refuse to ever travel to places like Iran or Dubai because of how they treat women.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking this clickbait nonsense or tumblr attention grabbing represents all feminism.

We're not talking about ordinary women here. We're talking about agitators, organisers and demonstrators.

Where are the bare breasted women protesting in Dubai? In Saudi? No, they'd rather do it at the safe end of society. In London or New York where they are already safe and free to do so.

I know there are decent feminists out there, why aren't they telling these minority idiots to shut up? They're giving the majority a very bad name and it is undeserved. I support egalitarian feminism but to be frank, they're not anywhere to 've seen or heard.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-12-2016 04:06PM

Did she really say that about 'Baby it's Cold Outside'.

Oh my gawwd these people are so tedious. Imagine having her as a guest at a xmas party? 'White Christmas' would probably set her off as well.

Zulu · 05-12-2016 04:06PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No it didn't.....

Of course it didn't - (s)he's just building a nice straw man for herself. Remember, you're attacking dogma with logic. It's bound not to be received well by the church.

Outlaw Pete · 05-12-2016 04:35PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Did she really say that about 'Baby it's Cold Outside'.

She did indeed.

https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/802528519452585984

Sure lets not forget that this is the woman that led the charge on there being a rape culture on Irish college campuses (not my words) and which turned out to be false of course but as ever, there is no consequence in western society for liberal lefties when they're are wrong. They are seen as fighting the good fight even when their scurrilous claims of there being a rape culture at Irish colleges turns out to have been grossly exaggerated and completely without foundation. She should never have worked again after that nonsense. Yet this week there are calls for theatres to approach her to write plays.

https://twitter.com/OSEoghan/status/805393296881319944

This said about a woman who, on the night she heard that Irish college boys were apparently sharing naked images of Irish college girls, actually said (after pacing back and forth in some cottage primal screaming):

With the paranoia that the night can bring I start to think of all the men that I have known.

I think of when I was three, cuddling into my Granddad Murphy’s lap as he stroked my hair and told me I was the best girl and I wonder did he really think that, or did he secretly hate women too?

What the Abbey needs is a play about Louise, not one written by her.

Grayson · 05-12-2016 04:47PM

Dr Jakub wrote: »

Good job Sweden so, very tolerant altogether.

I would expect Louise and her fellow Third Wave feminists to speak out about the rape culture that has been imported into the West. 1400 girls raped and abused in Rotherham alone while the Sate turned a blind eye. Or maybe the mass rape of German women in Cologne that Merkel and her cronies tries to cover up?

I'd also expect her to speak about countries like Pakistan and how women are treated there. But hey that would involve criticizing brown people. That's not going to happen, she might get accused of racism and lose some twitter followers.

I expected you to read the article you posted but that never happened.

She's a feminist who talks about feminist issues in Ireland, yet she's a hypocrite if she doesn't also mention Pakistan? So you're actually expecting every single feminist to make islam their big agenda or else they're not really feminists. People have also implied that if she's not condemning it then she must be supporting it. That's a massive jump in logic which is as I've said, really stupid.

I personally don't like most third wave feminists. I think they'rte annoying. I think they focus too much on the academic minutia and the language of the issue and not enough time actually campaigning for issues that matter. However I'm willing to admit that.

I also believe that it's important that we have discussions about these issues. However the main thing I believe in is the truth. You can go back through the thousands of posts I have here and you won't find me once using an article in a disingenuous manner to try and score cheap points. Everything I say is factual and if I make a mistake I freely admit it.
You don't. You post lies to try and back up your argument. When you're caught out you just move on. The truth had no part in your dishonest ramblings. You probably don't realise it but you've been radicalised. You have a core ideology and you bend reality to fit it. The truth is less important than what you believe in.

me_right_one · 05-12-2016 06:00PM

"With the paranoia that the night can bring I start to think of all the men that I have known.

I think of when I was three, cuddling into my Granddad Murphy’s lap as he stroked my hair and told me I was the best girl and I wonder did he really think that, or did he secretly hate women too?"

I've gone from being angry at her for accusing me of being a rapist just because I'm Irish and have balls, to pitying her.

The above quote is really, really sad. This girl needs psychiatric help in my opinion. And fast.

Wibbs · 05-12-2016 06:16PM

me_right_one wrote: »

The above quote is really, really sad. This girl needs psychiatric help in my opinion. And fast.

Indeed, but for me what's more scary is that there is more than enough of an audience that is sympathetic to this ever more creeping victimhood culture and that audience provides her(and many others) with a platform, support oft to the point of feverish and a paying career. More and more in certain sections of the media the culture is celebrating victims for just being victims. Hell, one could argue it's even encouraging this adolescent nonsense in adults.

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 06:16PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She did indeed.

https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/802528519452585984

Sure lets not forget that this is the woman that led the charge on there being a rape culture on Irish college campuses (not my words) and which turned out to be false of course but as ever, there is no consequence in western society for liberal lefties when they're are wrong. They are seen as fighting the good fight even when their scurrilous claims of there being a rape culture at Irish colleges turns out to have been grossly exaggerated and completely without foundation. She should never have worked again after that nonsense. Yet this week there are calls for theatres to approach her to write plays.

https://twitter.com/OSEoghan/status/805393296881319944

This said about a woman who, on the night she heard that Irish college boys were apparently sharing naked images of Irish college girls, actually said (after pacing back and forth in some cottage primal screaming):

What the Abbey needs is a play about Louise, not one written by her.

Maybe it was a comment about how theatrical and dramatic she is

Wibbs · 05-12-2016 06:17PM

Candie wrote: »

It stopped being about stuff LON actually said or did long ago.

Now it's about what people imagine she would say/do/cares about, and is basically just a conduit for soapboxing.

You must not have been reading the links. There is absolutely zero need to imagine or invent anything, not when the actual source material is so target rich in hysterics and just plain crazy.

Goya · 05-12-2016 06:47PM

I remember seeing that article from February 2016 and being so pissed off at the way she spoke to a fellow woman (her mother) and the way she claimed feeling forced into wearing uncomfortable raunchy underwear for a date (when nobody forced her but herself).

me_right_one · 05-12-2016 07:09PM

If you thought someone was suicidal, or needed psychiatric help generally, who do you tell? Can anyone just ring their GP and say so-and-so seems to need attention? How is this done?

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 07:19PM

me_right_one wrote: »

If you thought someone was suicidal, or needed psychiatric help generally, who do you tell? Can anyone just ring their GP and say so-and-so seems to need attention? How is this done?

I don't know if it was a hypothetical situation or if it's a real one.If hypothetical please ignore this.

The usual advice does seem to be to go to your g.p as they know who to refer you to but I don't know how it works when you are calling on behalf of someone else, what with confidentiality etc. . As it is urgent maybe you could try these people?

The Console 24/7 Suicide Helpline is now run by Pieta House and available to anyone who is in suicidal crisis, to anyone concerned for someone else who may be in suicidal crisis, and for those who have been bereaved by suicide.

Available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year and aims to provide callers with support, advice and where appropriate, referral services.

Phone 1800 247 247

me_right_one · 05-12-2016 08:21PM

Thanks Widdershins. Its a real situation alright, but I meant for Louise O'Neill, not for me! I believe it would be no harm to say something, the girl needs help. If I'm wrong, no big deal. But if I'm right......

I'm genuinely concerned for her. She seems deeply out of touch with any sense of grounding.

FortySeven · 05-12-2016 08:27PM

me_right_one wrote: »

Thanks Widdershins. Its a real situation alright, but I meant for Louise O'Neill, not for me! I believe it would be no harm to say something, the girl needs help. If I'm wrong, no big deal. But if I'm right......

I'm genuinely concerned for her. She seems deeply out of touch with any sense of grounding.

She's nowhere near meltdown. She's just another attention seeker. She'll be fine as long as she's getting it.

me_right_one · 05-12-2016 08:37PM

FortySeven wrote: »

She's nowhere near meltdown. She's just another attention seeker. She'll be fine as long as she's getting it.

I'm not so sure anymore. That "Grandad Murphy" anecdote has changed my mind. I think she's unhinged and heading in the wrong direction.

Widdershins · 05-12-2016 08:45PM

me_right_one wrote: »

I'm not so sure anymore. That "Grandad Murphy" anecdote has changed my mind. I think she's unhinged and heading in the wrong direction.

She seems to already have a psychotherapist

Dr Jakub · 05-12-2016 08:45PM

Flimpson wrote: »

I remember seeing that article from February 2016 and being so pissed off at the way she spoke to a fellow woman (her mother) and the way she claimed feeling forced into wearing uncomfortable raunchy underwear for a date (when nobody forced her but herself).

Aw the poor baby, having to dress sexy for a date.

me_right_one wrote: »

Thanks Widdershins. Its a real situation alright, but I meant for Louise O'Neill, not for me! I believe it would be no harm to say something, the girl needs help. If I'm wrong, no big deal. But if I'm right......

I'm genuinely concerned for her. She seems deeply out of touch with any sense of grounding.

If you section her you'll have to lock up millions of college age girls all over the US, UK, Europe as they all follow the same Cultural Marxism that is spewed out in University.

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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