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Let's all mock the disabled

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    If a person with cerebral palsy behaved badly or missed an open goal, would you call them a spa? If not, why not?

    :rolleyes: think about it, you can do it. Also have a google of the word empathy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭The Draugan


    If a person with cerebral palsy behaved badly or missed an open goal, would you call them a spa? If not, why not?

    Bit of a difference between a professional footballer missing a sitter then a handicapped kid , like lets be honest here.

    One's in a competitive environment and is expected to bury it , the other not so much. I wouldn't react negatively toword's anyone shouting words like spa or retad at a professional player at a game or at a TV in the pub watching a match. I would have a pretty negative reaction to someone shouting similar at an evidently handicapped person in the street. Sticking with the sport analogy should sports fans also avoid calling the referee blind in case it offends any visually impaired people in ear shot ??? were do you draw the line?

    Context is definitely key here.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But would you call him a spa?


    If I'd call him a dope I'd call him a spa. They're synonymous in my book.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bit of a difference between a professional footballer missing a sitter then a handicapped kid , like lets be honest here..

    I'd suggest he already knows that but how and ever!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭The Draugan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'd suggest he already knows that but how and ever!

    My thinking exactly , cant decide if the OP is an out and out SJW or just sturing

    The latter seems more likely.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Kal El wrote: »
    Have a quick search, its not what your asking to be used its what youre saying cant be used. Each is a restriction of free speech. And well you think idiot is totes ok even though it also comes from a background similar to the rest. Its selective speech.

    In one post you are telling me that I am asking for certain words to be used and then you are telling me that I'm asking for certain words not to be used.

    I suggest you read my posts again as neither of those are true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Kal El wrote: »
    Ill rephrase you are being consistent in that you are constantly changing your stance, certain words are ok but other similar words arent, why you say? well because you say so with no other details added :rolleyes:

    I haven't changed my stance at all.

    You still seem to be taking this personally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Kal El wrote: »
    You can show offence being taken by context. Creating a thread = offence

    If you say so.

    I think the exchanges between us are going around in circles.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My thinking exactly , cant decide if the OP is an out and out SJW or just sturing

    The latter seems more likely.

    In fairness, the OP has worked with people who have disabilities and is probably sick of hearing the word as it resonates with him on a personal level and he takes it a lot more persoanlly than you or I might. I can see his POV. However, OP should also realise that the vast majority of folks using the word spa etc aren't doing it to demean people with disabilities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Kal El wrote: »
    The fact you dont see you are showing offence explains alot. Have you heard of context. Certain things can be said without offence, other things can be said without saying a word etc etc etc

    <sigh>

    Showing offence? Really?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    In fairness, the OP has worked with people who have disabilities and is probably sick of hearing the word as it resonates with him on a personal level and he takes it a lot more persoanlly than you or I might. I can see his POV. However, OP should also realise that the vast majority of folks using the word spa etc aren't doing it to demean people with disabilities.

    This is the thing, I DO realise that for the most part, it is an off the cuff remark that is not meant as derogatory towards a disabled person.

    The words that I used in the first post have entered common vocabulary. All I'm asking is that people think before using them.

    What I am sick of is having to unpick the harm done by these words on a daily basis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭The Draugan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    In fairness, the OP has worked with people who have disabilities and is probably sick of hearing the word as it resonates with him on a personal level and he takes it a lot more persoanlly than you or I might. I can see his POV. However, OP should also realise that the vast majority of folks using the word spa etc aren't doing it to demean people with disabilities.

    Fair enough I see both points.

    The fundamental issue here is context people seem to be offended by everything at the minute , the reality is unless you are using those terms in a derogatory manor towords someone with an actual disability, then for the most part its ok.


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    petrolcan wrote: »
    This is the thing, I DO realise that for the most part, it is an off the cuff remark that is not meant as derogatory towards a disabled person.

    The words that I used in the first post have entered common vocabulary. All I'm asking is that people think before using them.

    Do you see how that doesn't really work though? The remarks are off the cuff and reactionary so you don't think about them before you say them.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the reality is unless you are using those terms in a derogatory manor towords someone with an actual disability, then for the most part its ok.

    I'd agree with that. If someone told me that the word rubbed them up the wrong way I'd do my best to avoid it out of respect (such as if I knew the OP) but it's just reactionary sh*t most of the time or teasing among mates and nobody I know takes it badly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Do you see how that doesn't really work though? The remarks are off the cuff and reactionary so you don't think about them before you say them.

    Definitely an uphill struggle.

    I can hope for a day where they just aren't used though.

    Can't I?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Omackeral wrote: »
    If I'd call him a dope I'd call him a spa. They're synonymous in my book.

    You would call a person with cerebral palsy a spa if you thought they deserved it. Ok.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You would call a person with cerebral palsy a spa if you thought they deserved it. Ok.


    Spa means dope/eejit to me. I've explained that time and time again Professor Strawman. You know people with disabilities can be assholes too right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    You know people with disabilities can be assholes too right?

    This I can confirm!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    petrolcan wrote: »
    In one post you are telling me that I am asking for certain words to be used and then you are telling me that I'm asking for certain words not to be used.

    I suggest you read my posts again as neither of those are true.

    I have read your posts. Out of risk of offending you, I hope youre just flip flopping


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You would call a person with cerebral palsy a spa if you thought they deserved it. Ok.

    Omackeral wrote: »
    If I'd call him a dope I'd call him a spa. They're synonymous in my book.

    Just in case you missed it the first time. Or the second, or third.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    petrolcan wrote: »
    I haven't changed my stance at all.

    You still seem to be taking this personally.

    Nope I didnt make a thread about people not listening to me on other threads, that sir was you


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    petrolcan wrote: »
    If you say so.

    I think the exchanges between us are going around in circles.

    It only seems that way because you change your views constantly


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    petrolcan wrote: »
    <sigh>

    Showing offence? Really?

    :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    petrolcan wrote: »
    This is the thing, I DO realise that for the most part, it is an off the cuff remark that is not meant as derogatory towards a disabled person.

    The words that I used in the first post have entered common vocabulary. All I'm asking is that people think before using them.

    What I am sick of is having to unpick the harm done by these words on a daily basis.

    Whats funny is youre constantly saying youre not offended by them, while constantly showing how deeply offended you are. Its hilarious


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kal El


    petrolcan wrote: »
    Definitely an uphill struggle.

    I can hope for a day where they just aren't used though.

    Can't I?

    There is one thing hoping, another going out of your way to restrict free speech and telling someone to use a different word. We dont all have the same ideologies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    I'm buying you a packet of multiquotes for Christmas Kal El!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    Kal El wrote: »
    Nope I didnt make a thread about people not listening to me on other threads, that sir was you

    If that's why you think I started this thread then you are misguided.

    Let it go.
    Kal El wrote: »
    There is one thing hoping, another going out of your way to restrict free speech and telling someone to use a different word. We dont all have the same ideologies

    I'll shall say this for the last time, I have not told anyone to use different words


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,706 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Skyfarm wrote: »
    as a disabled person ,I'm not quite sure which of the above names i would apply to the downright ignorant responses to disability on this thread, the "I'm helping" disabled by name calling out other people really piss me off.. as for the "I'm smarter" than ye all type of person  by referencing some obscure 70s/80s tv/mental disability term to get your point across is still as every bit as hurtful now as then ..


    Someday some company will refuse to associate their brand with the behaviour of boards when it comes to disability ,race ,lets hope the refusal of add funding will impose stricter regulation of hate/disability crimes on boards
    This is a really interesting angle. There is a 'Stop Funding Hate' campaign very active in the UK at the moment. It is challenging those large corporate businesses like Tesco who advertising in rags like Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph that have spent years stirring up hate on grounds of race and religion.

    I wonder if something could be done here. It is very, very unusual that boards.ie bans words like n-i-g-g-e-r, p-a-k-i, f-a-g-g-o-t and p-i-k-e-y, but doesn't ban 'retard' when used as a derogatory term. I'd challenge those who respond with the 'no harm meant' response if they would like works like those above in polite company - at a work discussion with your boss present, or at a family discussion with your elderly aunt present?

    This is not a 'free speech' issue. Anyone can use whatever terms they like. This is simply a basic standard for a site like boards.ie, which has well-established principles of banning some terms for certain reasons - but deliberately chooses not to protect people with intellectual disabilities in the same way that they protect people of other races, ethnicities or sexual preferences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,961 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Bit of a difference between a professional footballer missing a sitter then a handicapped kid , like lets be honest here.

    One's in a competitive environment and is expected to bury it , the other not so much.


    Hang on a minute CP soccer can be very competitive! :mad:


    It assumptions such as these (disabled people do not operate in a competitive environment etc) that are denigrating to disabled people.

    Not words that able-bodied people decide are insulting/offensive depending on the fashion at the time.

    The funny thing is able bodied people end up telling disabled people, what they should and should not be offended by.

    That is the real insult.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Let Christy take it!


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