Is standing up for children on public transport now the norm?

ash23 · 29-11-2016 09:09PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

I can certainly see that not working considering the mess that does be on our trains with prepaid tickets for seats when there full.

Also as far as I know people with a travel pass can't prebook seats which is a joke because that would cover most disabled and elderly people.

Therefore people who pay and prebook often get on the train to find it packed and if you're young and healthy you're not likely to evict an older or disabled person from your prebooked seat.
Even when I prebook I always make sure I'm about 20-30 mins early for the train to get the seat I booked.
It's an unholy mess of a system

29-11-2016 09:17PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The kids paid their fare. The OAP probably paid nothing. If Irish Rail or Dublin Bus want to bring in a reduced standing rate I'll happily pay that and oAPs and pregnant ladies can pay the full seated fare.

I doubt it, the kids parents probably paid their half price tickets. Not too many schoolkids I know pay their own bus fares!
The OAPs have probably contributed throughout their lives to tax, so are entitled now to their free bus pass.
Oh & pregnant women are not free.

LLMMLL · 29-11-2016 09:26PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

He was standing and looking after a seated elderly man who seemed to have alzheimers. Despite having his hands full, he still found time to notice another elderly man in need of a seat and do something about it.

I don't see how asking a young lad of about 12 to stand up and let a very old man sit down is taking a 'kids don't matter' stance. It's something we all did as kids, and now we expect the younger generation to take their turn.
I would have stood up myself if he hadn't intervened. But I would have been really annoyed that a load of schoolboys were ensconced comfortably in seats and letting a middle aged woman be the person to do the standing up.

I just meant there is no way the guy would have told another adult to stand up.

weldoninhio · 29-11-2016 11:00PM

LirW wrote: »

It'd be new to me that I'm travelling for free when I'm pregnant (which I am). Next time I'm gonna show you my full fare ticket or leap card, is that reason enough to get up for someone who's having a feckin' melon attached to the front? Because it's known that this stuff causes bad balance in women.

I never said they travel for free. If I've gotten on before you I've either paid the same fare as you or more. It's just your bad luck that you live further down the route than me.

weldoninhio · 29-11-2016 11:03PM

kittensmittens wrote: »

Old age comes to us all and you may very well be father to be one day when your partner/wife comes home being 8 and a half months pregnant and her centre of gravity is shot to sh1t, has had a fall on a train/bus due to someone just like you not thinking of someone else who may need a little empathy.
You may reconsider your standpoint.

If that happens I'll have the violin at hand, ready for when she comes in and tells me all about her "ordeal".

weldoninhio · 29-11-2016 11:05PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I doubt it, the kids parents probably paid their half price tickets. Not too many schoolkids I know pay their own bus fares!
The OAPs have probably contributed throughout their lives to tax, so are entitled now to their free bus pass.
Oh & pregnant women are not free.

Ah they probably did?? Where did I say pregnant women were free??

29-11-2016 11:09PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The kids paid their fare. The OAP probably paid nothing. If Irish Rail or Dublin Bus want to bring in a reduced standing rate I'll happily pay that and oAPs and pregnant ladies can pay the full seated fare.

You sound lovely.

Vic_08 · 29-11-2016 11:21PM

ash23 wrote: »

Also as far as I know people with a travel pass can't prebook seats which is a joke because that would cover most disabled and elderly people.

Yes they can. They have to pay for the reservation though, the types you have encountered really don't like having to pay when they can just bully people instead.

Irish Rail wrote:

Reserve Seat Only
Who is eligible for this ticket?

Customers in possession of a valid open class ticket
DSFA Pass Holders
What are the conditions of travel?
Customers who are already in possession of or purchasing on the day of travel a valid standard class ticket(s) such as Family Tickets, Day Return, Open Return, Weekly, Monthly, Annual, InterRail and Free Travel pass holders can reserve a seat on a service for €5.00 per person each way.

Where can I buy this ticket?

Online: Yes
Ticket Machines: For collection
Ticket Offices: For collection

ash23 · 30-11-2016 09:11AM

Ah ok didn't realise that.
Feel even less guilty now

IrishZeus · 30-11-2016 09:16AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If that happens I'll have the violin at hand, ready for when she comes in and tells me all about her "ordeal".

Don't feed the troll.

Wanderer78 · 30-11-2016 09:34AM

Candie wrote:

You sound lovely.

....and strangely, some people seem to think they're gonna avoid old age themselves. Odd people on this planet

Ellie2008 · 30-11-2016 09:54AM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Was the guy who told them to stand up seated or standing?

While modern kids can be pandered to a bit, Id hate to see a return to the "kids don't really matter so it's OK to inconvenience them" values of the 89s/90s.

It did most very little harm at all. I think today's children will grow up with an inflated sense of self-importance which can IMO lead to unhappy adulthood.

Would I get up for a child who wasn't a toddler or disabled - absolutely not. Dublin transport really isn't that dangerous.

I'm weary of today's style of parenting, people have children and suddenly all they are is parents. I even feel some people I know have become quite ruthless about putting their child first, family members are bitched about because they won't look after the child enough or when they do the care isn't good enough. It's not ok to morph into a dick because you have a child. Other people's time & space deserve respect.

Modern kids aren't "pandered to a little bit" in my experience they are treated like kings.

Mr. CooL ICE · 30-11-2016 11:42AM

IrishZeus wrote: »

Don't feed the troll.

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c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 11:44AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I never said they travel for free. If I've gotten on before you I've either paid the same fare as you or more. It's just your bad luck that you live further down the route than me.

And I suppose it's just some people's bad luck that they're old and infirm and can't balance well on a moving bus?

You do realise that most of those elderly people probably spent their younger days offering their seats to older people, and would now like the same courtesy extended to them at their time of need?

That's how the world is meant to work. It's not all about 'my rights', 'my entitlements', 'my wants'. Sometimes you should be prepared to put those to one side and show a bit of consideration for others.

Charles Babbage · 30-11-2016 11:52AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why? I've paid for my ticket from a to b. Same as everyone else. As I've said if Irish Rail or DB want to bring out a reduced price standing ticket I'll buy one of those for a short journey, but their campaign of give up your seat for someone else is not gonna get any traction from me otherwise.

The should introduce a super ticket at twice the price that would allow me take your seat. This would reduce the deficit for public transport and make me feel big.

IrishZeus · 30-11-2016 12:06PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

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Glenster · 30-11-2016 12:13PM

I've never seen anyone give up their seat to a child, a mother and child maybe, but that's just an extension of giving up your seat for a woman.

I have seen countless cryptkeepers ask kids to give up their seats.

Is it not bad enough that we have to smell their chalky bones in the carriage in the first place?

lawred2 · 30-11-2016 12:14PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

My sister was sitting on a crowded bus recently going to work when a woman who looked in her thirties got on with a child aged about 10. My sister didn't take much notice, but a few minutes later the mother said to the child 'well obviously no one's going to give you a seat so make sure you hold on very tightly'.

I was telling a friend and she said she saw a mother ask a man if her child (who looked about 8) could have his seat, as it was dangerous for children to be trying to keep their balance on a moving bus.

I could understand if she was talking about a 2 or 3 year old. But is it really now the norm for adults to stand up for children on public transport?

I'll stand if I think there is a chance the child isn't strong enough to hold a rail tightly enough to support themselves under braking..

lawred2 · 30-11-2016 12:15PM

It's only a seat - I'll be off the bus soon enough anyway

LLMMLL · 30-11-2016 03:05PM

Ellie2008 wrote: »

It did most very little harm at all. I think today's children will grow up with an inflated sense of self-importance which can IMO lead to unhappy adulthood.

Would I get up for a child who wasn't a toddler or disabled - absolutely not. Dublin transport really isn't that dangerous.

I'm weary of today's style of parenting, people have children and suddenly all they are is parents. I even feel some people I know have become quite ruthless about putting their child first, family members are bitched about because they won't look after the child enough or when they do the care isn't good enough. It's not ok to morph into a dick because you have a child. Other people's time & space deserve respect.

Modern kids aren't "pandered to a little bit" in my experience they are treated like kings.

I wasn't saying get up for a child. I was saying don't order (other people's) kids to give up a seat when you'd never order an able bodied adult to do the same.

The attitude of "it won't do them any harm in the long run" is not the only metric for how to treat a child. It's not what you'd apply to an adult.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 04:49PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

I wasn't saying get up for a child. I was saying don't order (other people's) kids to give up a seat when you'd never order an able bodied adult to do the same.

The attitude of "it won't do them any harm in the long run" is not the only metric for how to treat a child. It's not what you'd apply to an adult.

Well, it takes a village to rear a child. In my view, if a child is sitting on the bus ignoring an elderly person who really needs a seat, another adult needs to step in and make them aware that they should stand up.

Obviously able bodied adults should also stand up, when necessary. But a rude, ignorant adult isn't going to change their ways. A child who hasn't been taught manners and consideration from their parents, might benefit from another adult stepping in and teaching them to show a bit of consideration for another passenger.

30-11-2016 04:55PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

Well, it takes a village to rear a child. In my view, if a child is sitting on the bus ignoring an elderly person who really needs a seat, another adult needs to step in and make them aware that they should stand up.

Obviously able bodied adults should also stand up, when necessary. But a rude, ignorant adult isn't going to change their ways. A child who hasn't been taught manners and consideration from their parents, might benefit from another adult stepping in and teaching them to show a bit of consideration for another passenger.

It's not a strangers job to teach manners to other peoples kids.

Besides I don't think the kids are ignoring anyone, they're just not that aware of what's going on around them. It's a normal part of child development for them to be self centric. It's how we got to survive to be adults. It's a natural way for a kid to behave.

Sure, in an ideal world they'd be on the alert for anyone with any kind of infirmity but I'd be more inclined to judge the able bodied adults parked on their backsides while an elderly person struggles.

jackinthemix94 · 30-11-2016 05:02PM

If someone demanded my son stood up or anything else, I'd have a quick chat with them, that's for sure. Mind your own business

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midnight city · 30-11-2016 05:03PM

Public transport ugh.. i don't like to rub shoulders with the riff raff and the rapscallions

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 05:24PM

Candie wrote: »

It's not a strangers job to teach manners to other peoples kids.

Besides I don't think the kids are ignoring anyone, they're just not that aware of what's going on around them. It's a normal part of child development for them to be self centric. It's how we got to survive to be adults. It's a natural way for a kid to behave.

Sure, in an ideal world they'd be on the alert for anyone with any kind of infirmity but I'd be more inclined to judge the able bodied adults parked on their backsides while an elderly person struggles.

I don't agree. If I was standing and saw a bunch of kids leaving a very old person to stand, I would ask one of them if they'd stand up and give him their seat. And I don't know how you were reared. But it was certainly made clear to me by my parents that I should stand up and offer my seat on a bus to older people.

And why do you think some able bodied adults are 'parked on their backsides' while an elderly person struggles? Because they were never taught any better, that's why.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 05:26PM

jackinthemix94 wrote: »

If someone demanded my son stood up or anything else, I'd have a quick chat with them, that's for sure. Mind your own business .

How precious.

30-11-2016 05:30PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

I don't agree. If I was standing and saw a bunch of kids leaving a very old person to stand, I would ask one of them if they'd stand up and give him their seat. And I don't know how you were reared. But it was certainly made clear to me by my parents that I should stand up and offer my seat on a bus to older people.

And why do you think some able bodied adults are 'parked on their backsides' while an elderly person struggles? Because they were never taught any better, that's why.

Nice passive aggressive dig at a total strangers upbringing there, which means I can safely disregard anything you have to say about the way people should behave.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 05:34PM

Candie wrote: »

Nice passive aggressive dig at a total strangers upbringing there, which means I can safely disregard anything you have to say about the way people should behave.

There was nothing passive aggressive about it. You said that it was perfectly normal for children to be allowed to be self absorbed and not notice what was going on around them. I replied that I didn't know how you were reared, but that wasn't considered acceptable by my parents and I had to stand up for others in need on the bus.

30-11-2016 05:36PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

There was nothing passive aggressive about it. You said that it was perfectly normal for children to be allowed to be self absorbed and not notice what was going on around them. I replied that I didn't know how you were reared, but that wasn't considered acceptable by my parents and I had to stand up for others in need on the bus.

No, I did not.

I said it was normal for kids to be self centric. There's a huge big difference. Massive. No mention of allowing anything. None.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 05:38PM

Candie wrote: »

No, I did not.

I said it was normal for kids to be self centric. There's a huge big difference. Massive. No mention of allowing anything. None.

Well, apologies if I misread that part of your post.

Is standing up for children on public transport now the norm?

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