Louise O Neill on rape culture.

sashafierce · 28-11-2016 11:15AM

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Mortpourvelo · 28-11-2016 11:30AM

sashafierce wrote: »

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What a good post!!

I've been saying that for years:

Women want equality in the workplace - but want to be able to take five years off, come back at the same level and earning the same as if they hadn't left.

Women want gender equality but will accept unfair quotas to get them into politics, business etc

Women want sexual equality but want to be able to be treated differently when drunk "men should be gentlemen".

I feel for blokes sometimes - my "sistahs" (ugh!) are bat crap crazy at times!!!

sashafierce · 28-11-2016 11:47AM

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Zulu · 28-11-2016 12:44PM

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Ah but you see you wouldn't.
The vast majority of women are awesome. Like 99.7%.

There are only a tiny tiny few bitter people who buy into this ****, and they generally don't appear in real world society where men would be. Consider the "go your own way" boys who buy into the "game" horseshite. They are socially awkward recluses who you don't really bump into.

It's just concerning when they get a platform, and the fear being that sadly they might just spread their vitriol and bile to others.

Widdershins · 28-11-2016 12:56PM

Would it not be usual for men to verbally clarify that the woman wants to have sex?
I remember my boyfriend stopping to check, when (before) I lost virginity to him. I remember being slightly surprised because I thought it was fairly obvious, but looking back I wonder if that was unusual. It was about ten years ago so before the consent classes etc took off in the media.

BoatMad · 28-11-2016 12:59PM

Would it not be usual for men to verbally clarify that the woman wants to have sex?

after both of them are locked, I doubt it,

Zulu · 28-11-2016 01:02PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Would it not be usual for men to verbally clarify that the woman wants to have sex?

Well you can answer your own question (perhaps) - is it usual for women to have verbal clarification sought? Is it usual for women to seek verbal clarification??

I wouldn't have thought so in either circumstance.

As an adult, I'd have a preference for things to happen organically. I can't imagine I'm in the minority.

Widdershins · 28-11-2016 01:05PM

Zulu wrote: »

Well you can answer your own question (perhaps) - is it usual for women to have verbal clarification sought? Is it usual for women to seek verbal clarification??

I wouldn't have thought so in either circumstance.

As an adult, I'd have a preference for things to happen organically. I can't imagine I'm in the minority.

The subject addles my brain. If I was a man I probably wouldn't be happy with verbal consent. And I wouldn't have drunk sex just in case. Not since reading this thread. And that does make it impossible for things to happen organically.

BoatMad · 28-11-2016 01:29PM

If I was a man I probably wouldn't be happy with verbal consent.

???, what , you want a legal document

jeepers, lets just legalise prostitution , probably would suit most lads,

jimgoose · 28-11-2016 01:34PM

Widdershins wrote: »

The subject addles my brain. If I was a man I probably wouldn't be happy with verbal consent. And I wouldn't have drunk sex just in case. Not since reading this thread. And that does make it impossible for things to happen organically.

The whole wretched business is starting to remind me of "The Naked Sun", from Isaac Asimov's "Robot" series of novels. :pac:

Widdershins · 28-11-2016 01:37PM

jimgoose wrote: »

The whole wretched business is starting to remind me of "The Naked Sun", from Isaac Asimov's "Robot" series of novels. :pac:

It would suck the fun out of it for me. It's bloody clinical and horrible.

jimgoose · 28-11-2016 01:38PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It would suck the fun out of it for me. It's bloody clinical and horrible.

It certainly is. Exactly why Gladia Delmarre went to live on a different sodding planet. :pac:

jameorahiely · 30-11-2016 07:56PM

There is a sickening rape culture about.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3937806/My-marriage-rocks-Women-confess-shocking-reasons-trying-pregnant-WITHOUT-telling-partners.html#article-3937806

Widdershins · 30-11-2016 08:04PM

Accidentally on purpose pregnancies aren't a new thing. They don't sound that bright though.

''The final Whisper confession comes from a mother who already has a six-month-old baby daughter.
She admits that her and her fiance are 'lucky' to be able to afford to buy things for her but she is secretly hoping she falls pregnant again.''

So, you already have ''stuff'' from the first baby!

jameorahiely · 30-11-2016 08:18PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Accidentally on purpose pregnancies aren't a new thing. They don't sound that bright though.

''The final Whisper confession comes from a mother who already has a six-month-old baby daughter.
She admits that her and her fiance are 'lucky' to be able to afford to buy things for her but she is secretly hoping she falls pregnant again.''

So, you already have ''stuff'' from the first baby!

Reproductive coercion and sabotage are not new, but it is part of rape culture and domestic violence . Would you shrug off a man removing a condom without consent before penetrating as him just not being too bright?

Widdershins · 30-11-2016 08:20PM

jameorahiely wrote: »

Reproductive coercion and sabotage are not new, but it is part of rape culture and domestic violence . Would you shrug off a man removing a condom without consent before penetrating as him just not being too bright?

It's definitely immoral! I didn't mean to sound dismissive there at all. The Daily Mail just made it sound like a new trend or something.

FortySeven · 30-11-2016 10:23PM

Poor guy. Thinking he's being safe and getting caught for a lifetime he clearly doesn't want if he's slipping a Johnny on.

I'm surprised the lads on 4chan haven't doxxed these devious feckers yet. Would love to see their Facebook's exposed to the world.

Whispers would make a hackers wet dream!

JJEP · 01-12-2016 12:31AM

This new wave of feminism is a lot of ****e. Personally if you respect everyone and treat them well we wouldn't have this problem . I'm sure a lot of feminists would judge me for being male It's new age liberal bigotry if you ask me. Sexism of the highest order. If there are two f#cking things I am tired of hearing about at this stage is celebrities IE Kardashian's and feminists ... The media are completely pointless at this stag

jameorahiely · 01-12-2016 08:53AM

FortySeven wrote: »

Poor guy. Thinking he's being safe and getting caught for a lifetime he clearly doesn't want if he's slipping a Johnny on.

I'm surprised the lads on 4chan haven't doxxed these devious feckers yet. Would love to see their Facebook's exposed to the world.

Whispers would make a hackers wet dream!

The socially acceptable silent rapists.

ZeroThreat · 01-12-2016 02:32PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

Great quote from Tomi Lahren the other day i think it was who said that as a woman she was voting for Trump because she believed in his politics and the politics of the Republican party and as a woman she wouldn't be made feel ashamed for voting with her brain and not with her vagina.

Would love to see the likes of Louise O'Neill & Tomi Lahren on the same discussion panel.

She'd (literally) take lumps out of the liberal bedwetting snowflake looney Lou.

sashafierce · 01-12-2016 02:42PM

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01-12-2016 03:28PM

jameorahiely wrote: »

There is a sickening rape culture about.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3937806/My-marriage-rocks-Women-confess-shocking-reasons-trying-pregnant-WITHOUT-telling-partners.html#article-3937806

I'd say more than one or two of those confessions are guys with an axe to grind. There are a lot of them around.

Shocking stuff though.

Mortpourvelo · 01-12-2016 03:47PM

Candie wrote: »

I'd say more than one or two of those confessions are guys with an axe to grind. There are a lot of them around.

Shocking stuff though.

I've a mate who fell for the whole "pin in a packet of condoms" scam. Poor sod.

I hate women. I am one, and I still hate them. Fierce mad most of them.

Mortpourvelo · 01-12-2016 03:49PM

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Would love to see the likes of Louise O'Neill & Tomi Lahren on the same discussion panel.

She'd (literally) take lumps out of the liberal bedwetting snowflake looney Lou.

I got told I shpuld support Hillary. I was anyway but SHOULD.

Says I, "Why ?"

"She's a woman"

"And ?"

"We have to support each other".

Deep breath:

"Thatcher, Merkel, Arlene thing up North. All shyte, all mental. NO WAY!!"

01-12-2016 04:05PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I hate women.

You're in plenty of company here.

I'm a woman, can't say I hate either gender in their entirety because of their gender. That takes some doing.

Widdershins · 01-12-2016 04:12PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I've a mate who fell for the whole "pin in a packet of condoms" scam. Poor sod.

I hate women. I am one, and I still hate them. Fierce mad most of them.

You have to be careful you don't do a reverse-Louise there

Zulu · 01-12-2016 04:41PM

Candie wrote: »

You're in plenty of company here.

For the record -
1) hating feminists =/= hating women
2) disagreeing with feminists =/= hating women
3) disagreeing with you =/= hating women

...just putting that out there.

givyjoe · 01-12-2016 04:44PM

Candie wrote: »

I'd say more than one or two of those confessions are guys with an axe to grind. There are a lot of them around.

Shocking stuff though.

I've no ax to grind and I've experienced something similar. Was in a relationship, she was up front enough that she wanted to have a child quick sharpish.. i wasn't rushing into anything. What I didn't know was that she was sleeping with multiple men in an attempt to get pregnant. :eek:

Potatoeman · 01-12-2016 05:00PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I've no ax to grind and I've experienced something similar. Was in a relationship, she was up front enough that she wanted to have a child quick sharpish.. i wasn't rushing into anything. What I didn't know was that she was sleeping with multiple men in an attempt to get pregnant. :eek:

I know someone it happened to. They had a fyb and she intentionally got pregnant. He told her he didn't want it. She kept it and thought he would come around. He was involved with the child but had no interested in a relationship with her. She admitted it two years later, she was finding it though being a single parent. Her family hated him and had no idea how the whole thing had gone down.

jameorahiely · 01-12-2016 05:14PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

I know someone it happened to. They had a fyb and she intentionally got pregnant. He told her he didn't want it. She kept it and thought he would come around. He was involved with the child but had no interested in a relationship with her. She admitted it two years later, she was finding it though being a single parent. Her family hated him and had no idea how the whole thing had gone down.

Was she reported for being the rapist she is?

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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