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RTE Chatshows = poor poor fare

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  • #32
    ligerdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Glad I found this topic. Tubridy is my bug bear.

    For me he's especially galling around this time of year. When he first got that gig he was adamant that he was taking the serious approach, and that he wasn't going to wear a Christmas jumper. He got a bit of grief over that so over the years he has projected this image of King of Kids, the biggest lover of Christmas ever ever, and you'd wanna see how Christmassy my Christmas jumper is going to be this year folks. I can't wait!

    To top it off then he insists on this Joe Everyman trick where he pretends he can relate to some poor yoke who can't afford to put her bins out, and the false empathy with the downtrodden. The lad is so duplicitous it's unreal. His continued indulgance of lovvie lefties is particularly grating too.

    Most of all though he just isn't good in the role. He mumbles nervously through interviews with serious political sorts like Paxman, can't ask coherent questions to the likes of Jonah Hill. Sure he can interview the colleagues in RTE or where there is some mawkish celebration of his mentor "Gerry" while people look on in indifference.

    That being said I can't stand Norton and his sneery attitude to regular folk as he turns to his guests to pull the traps on their stories.

    I can't be too harsh about D'Arcy. It was never his domain, he should do the right thing and take himself out of that seat.

    O'Connor has potential but again has fallen for the indulgence of lefties again for the sake of a bit of pats on the back.

    O'Callaghan is obsessed with feminism. When she puts that aside she is decent from a politics standpoint.

    I'll be slaughtered for this bit I seriously consider Kenny to be a league apart from anything on RTE these days.


  • #33
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭lertsnim


    Checkmate19 wrote: »
    No not really how it works for other channels. Other channels usually come up with an idea and then find a presenter. Rte go with this person is popular so make any aul show for them. Or give presenters who are well past there sell by date shows. What do rte do well these days. Sport was something they where decent at but they are losing rights to it by the day. Money been squandered on ****e like meet the MacDonaghs etc.

    Of course. The BBC didn't throw money at Graham Norton and ITV never threw money at Jonathan Ross.

    RTÉ go with popular person because it will mean viewers. It's not that hard to figure out. As much as I dislike the likes of Nathan Carter and Ryan Tubridy there is an audience for them.


  • #34
    Agricola
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    My theory on the strange phenomenon of Tubridy keeping his job and BoC losing his and D'arcy taking it - RTE is an old boy's club where talent, ability or suitability for a job count for little. It's all about how popular you are with colleagues and the DG. How could it be any other way. This is Ireland afterall.

    My theory on why the LLS still gets high ratings - A large number of Irish TV viewers and especially older Irish TV viewers haven't a critical bone in their body. And they are a little too patriotic. If an English chat show was airing on a Friday night with Muhammad Ali, Billy Connolly, Barack Obama and the ghost of Michael Collins, a huge number of people here would still watch Tubridy stumble through interviews with Marty Morrisey, Twink, Joe Duffy and a woman from Clontarf who won an all Ireland pub quiz.

    "shure it's the late late, ya HAVE to watch it!!!"

    "no, you're thinking of the old show from the 70s and 80s, when the host had a clue and many of the guests were top notch, this isnt the same, it's dogshít!"

    "what? shure it's the late late though!"


  • #35
    Jimmy Garlic
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    ligerdub wrote: »

    I'll be slaughtered for this bit I seriously consider Kenny to be a league apart from anything on RTE these days.

    In hindsight he wasn't all that bad. A fairly decent interviewer.


  • #36
    BuilderPlumber
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    Checkmate19 wrote: »
    Rte are just interested in making cheap knock offs of other programme's, cookery shows and cheap reality shows. It's a complete and utter waste of public money and a job's for the boys club. Hang around the rte canteen long enough and you'll get some gig. In general main station tv has gone to the pits. The only good stuff being made is mostly coming from the usa. In this day and age there is no justification for rte to be getting the license fee and also ad fee's. Where is the money going because in my opinion is just squandered.

    They seem to throw money at anyone who seems anyway in their eyes popular. Nathan Carter being the prime example. Bang average singer who became popular on a cover of a decent song. Low and behold he has his own show which is terrible.

    RTE make these boring shows like those reality and cookery ones because they are dirt cheap to make. All them Rachel Allen cookery shows follow the same old tired format. Her, her family and her family's restaurant are promoted shamelessly day in day out on RTE while others could do with a break.

    Good stuff comes out of America but often is not even shown by RTE or else shown months/years later. When RTE do something good they shut it down after a few years. Love/Hate being an example. They replace good programmes with poor, cheap to make fare.

    Licking up to the likes of Tubridy in the RTE canteen is most likely what one has to do to become rich and famous. They will then be on the chatshows and then forced on us in every possible way.

    Nathan Carter is better than the other so-called country singers RTE are pushing at us all the time. That Stetsons and Stilettos programme Sundays is another example of pure drivel. The makers of this would not know proper blues country if it jumped up and bit them in the face. Nathan Carter's show is just a direct copy of Imelda May's show done last year. What should be on at 9.30 this time of year on Sundays is Love/Hate. But that is too expensive to make and requires non-RTE regulars.

    Money is squandered on the salaries of the likes of Tubridy and Pat Kenny in the past. They do not deserve their salaries and programmes like The Late Late Show and The Frontline are/were proof of this. Useless, boring, and/or depressing drivel designed to cater for the limited abilities of wooden presenters rather than to provide entertainment for the audience.


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  • #37
    5rtytry56
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    .........and The Frontline are/were proof of this. Useless, boring, and/or depressing drivel designed to cater for the limited abilities of wooden presenters rather than to provide entertainment for the audience.
    The Frontline was advertised as a program in which the frontline workers could articulate and suggest solutions for pain points in their work; In the event, it turned out to be a pure Venting and Rant - fest and no more.


  • #38
    Go Harvey Go
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    Agricola wrote: »
    My theory on the strange phenomenon of Tubridy keeping his job and BoC losing his and D'arcy taking it - RTE is an old boy's club where talent, ability or suitability for a job count for little. It's all about how popular you are with colleagues and the DG. How could it be any other way. This is Ireland afterall.

    I will always maintain that RTE pressed the panic button once the Saturday Night Show overtook the LLS in the ratings. :rolleyes:

    5rtytry56 wrote: »
    The Frontline was advertised as a program in which the frontline workers could articulate and suggest solutions for pain points in their work; In the event, it turned out to be a pure Venting and Rant - fest and no more.

    And I will always maintain that the Frontline was just Questions and Answers with a different name, a different Today Tonight presenter and a nastier approach. ;)


  • #39
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,452 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I absolutely cringe whenever Ryan Tubridy is talking to anyone from the UK or the US, or pretending he cares about sport, he is the most overpaid and overrated presenter on tv. Channing Tatum and Jonah Hill taking the piss out of him and asking him if he was nervous was the most entertaining thing the LLS ever did.


  • #40
    jelutong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭jelutong


    On today's show Tubridy thanked Marty Moo for hosting yesterday's programme.
    In fact he went so far as to say he "appreciated him doing it." No ,I don't listen to the show.Couldn't find the remote.


  • #41
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Glad I found this topic. Tubridy is my bug bear.

    For me he's especially galling around this time of year. When he first got that gig he was adamant that he was taking the serious approach, and that he wasn't going to wear a Christmas jumper. He got a bit of grief over that so over the years he has projected this image of King of Kids, the biggest lover of Christmas ever ever, and you'd wanna see how Christmassy my Christmas jumper is going to be this year folks. I can't wait!

    To top it off then he insists on this Joe Everyman trick where he pretends he can relate to some poor yoke who can't afford to put her bins out, and the false empathy with the downtrodden. The lad is so duplicitous it's unreal. His continued indulgance of lovvie lefties is particularly grating too.

    Most of all though he just isn't good in the role. He mumbles nervously through interviews with serious political sorts like Paxman, can't ask coherent questions to the likes of Jonah Hill. Sure he can interview the colleagues in RTE or where there is some mawkish celebration of his mentor "Gerry" while people look on in indifference.

    That being said I can't stand Norton and his sneery attitude to regular folk as he turns to his guests to pull the traps on their stories.

    I can't be too harsh about D'Arcy. It was never his domain, he should do the right thing and take himself out of that seat.

    O'Connor has potential but again has fallen for the indulgence of lefties again for the sake of a bit of pats on the back.

    O'Callaghan is obsessed with feminism. When she puts that aside she is decent from a politics standpoint.

    I'll be slaughtered for this bit I seriously consider Kenny to be a league apart from anything on RTE these days.

    Tubridy cannot identify with the poor and downtrodden. He is part of what amounts to almost royalty. His interviews are cliched and unconvincing a lot of the time.

    This Christmas image Tubridy wants to portray and his obsession with The Toy Show is strange for a man like him. Over the next few days the toy show is all we will be hearing about. There will be images of Tubridy dressed in some sort of a Santa suit and he will burst onto our screens in one in a week's time playing with all these children. Ironically it will not be the most childish show he'll do: that will no doubt be the Valentine's special!!
    Thargor wrote: »
    I absolutely cringe whenever Ryan Tubridy is talking to anyone from the UK or the US, or pretending he cares about sport, he is the most overpaid and overrated presenter on tv. Channing Tatum and Jonah Hill taking the piss out of him and asking him if he was nervous was the most entertaining thing the LLS ever did.

    Tubridy is overpaid and overrated. Things went downhill since he got the job. Tubridy has done some abysmal interviews over the years and has been mocked by his guests. The Late Late Show has become a joke and the joke is on us. If this was some private D4 club they would be entitled to do what they would like. Instead this is a nationally broadcast circus that we are paying to fund and that will not even respect us.


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  • #42
    Vorenus400
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »

    This Christmas image Tubridy wants to portray and his obsession with The Toy Show is strange for a man like him. Over the next few days the toy show is all we will be hearing about. There will be images of Tubridy dressed in some sort of a Santa suit and he will burst onto our screens in one in a week's time playing with all these children. Ironically it will not be the most childish show he'll do: that will no doubt be the Valentine's special!!

    The toyshow is the one show of the year where Tubridy is semi competent. He is better than Pat Kenny for that one show. They are selling the hell out of it for that reason. You can see that Tubs puts the work in for that show. Barely any notes or cards. Pity he cant put an ounce of that hard work into a usual Friday night show.:(


  • #43
    Vorenus400
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    2 minutes into the late late show and I have no idea how many times they have mentioned the toy show. They are overselling it


  • #44
    Mebuntu
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    1. There are no interesting presenters anymore. Tubs, Ray and, God help us all, Brendan are boredom personified and have no interview know-how.

    2. There are (very) few interesting people to interview anymore so all we get is z-rated so-called celebrities on ever-increasing repeat that have zero charisma.

    3. On the (very) odd occasion in a million when someone of possible interest comes on, the right questions are not asked and, in any event, the interview is finished before they get started.

    I don't get this Toy Show thing at all and never have.


  • #45
    human 19
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    ligerdub wrote: »
    I'll be slaughtered for this bit I seriously consider Kenny to be a league apart from anything on RTE these days.

    It's a pity I cant find a clip of the cringeworthy Interview PK had with Craig Charles some years back where Pk thoroughly earned the moniker of "the plank" . Craig was firing witticisms at Pat which duly hit him and fell dead to the floor. It was embarrasing to watch. PK cant do light entertainment.

    As many have said, he is good on factual or political conversations, but not on fun.

    For me, the king is Bill Maher. Information and comedy together during his interviews. His monologues can also be hilarious. For example...



  • #46
    PeterTheNinth
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    jelutong wrote: »
    On today's show Tubridy thanked Marty Moo for hosting yesterday's programme.

    You might laugh at this but Marty Morrissey is hugely underrated and undervalued as a radio presenter. He filled in for Derek Mooney after he left (and RTE were trying to cobble together the money for D'Arcy) and he was very good - He's genuine, has some life experience outside of Montrose, and has an upbeat, cheery mindset. None of the fakelaughing/bootlicking of Tubridy and none of the preachy hypocrisy of D'Arcy. What you see is what you get with Marty.

    On his first day D'Arcy started with a story about how he tried to walk into RTE discretely so that he wouldn't bump into anybody he knew!! Way to start the job with a positive mental attitude.. And it's been downhill from there.


  • #47
    ligerdub
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    Well put.


  • #48
    neris
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    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    On his first day D'Arcy started with a story about how he tried to walk into RTE discretely so that he wouldn't bump into anybody he knew!! Way to start the job with a positive mental attitude.. And it's been downhill from there.

    dont forget the soup


  • #49
    5rtytry56
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    For all my own personal disdain and spurning of the RTE late late toy show, The TV3 Toy Show is still at heart an unashamed cheesy imitation of the rte production and just don't say that. Jedward pair take over from Billy Barry so and so's.


  • #50
    ligerdub
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    5rtytry56 wrote: »
    For all my own personal disdain and spurning of the RTE late late toy show, The TV3 Toy Show is still at heart an unashamed cheesy imitation of the rte production and just don't say that. Jedward pair take over from Billy Barry so and so's.

    I thought Jedward were Billy Barry so and so's :D


  • #51
    BuilderPlumber
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    5rtytry56 wrote: »
    For all my own personal disdain and spurning of the RTE late late toy show, The TV3 Toy Show is still at heart an unashamed cheesy imitation of the rte production and just don't say that. Jedward pair take over from Billy Barry so and so's.

    Of course the TV3 version is an imitation of Tubridy's toy show. TV3 in general is just another version of RTE 1 anyway and all it seems to do is produce RTE type programmes and revive concepts that RTE ditched. I'm surprised they haven't tried a weekend chatshow to rival Tubridy.

    As regard the Tubridy toy show: it is perhaps the only one of his 30+ shows that is thought out and aimed at a specific audience. It is coherent and entertains the audience it is aimed at and most of all Tubridy is comfortable in the role.

    Contrast this with Tubridy's poor interviews of sports stars or his fake aggressive interviews with politicians. Or his pushing all this poor modern music and comedy at audiences who want something different. Or that woeful Valentines show. At least the toy show is what it is supposed to be.


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  • #52
    5rtytry56
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    The other thing that strikes me, that there has been no relative improvement in RTÉ Chatshows with the impact of the Internet.
    I might be scolded by mods for doing this but with the Television forum up for the chop here, I'll cross reference the point I'm making with this thread
    ....same old, same old


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