How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 06:24PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

If she's half-Irish and half-Greek then she isn't "100% Irish" or whatever nonsense you're spewing.

Check out her nationality on her Wikipedia page. Despite being born in Greece to one Irish parent and Greek parent and lived there until she was five...

Nationality: Irish.

Not half Irish, not kinda Irish, not Irish at the weekends. Irish.

Deal with it.

AnGaelach · 26-11-2016 06:26PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

See, this is why the whole notion of being Irish is toxic.

Well, I've been triggered.

NoFreeGaffs · 26-11-2016 06:26PM

So she was born in Greece to a Greek parent but isn't at least half Greek? She's a Greek and Irish citizen. She has dual parentage and citizenship. Ergo, she is half Irish.

It's pretty straightforward.

donegal. · 26-11-2016 06:27PM

this threads gone to sh1te , i'm out

AnGaelach · 26-11-2016 06:27PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Check out her nationality on her Wikipedia page. Despite being born in Greece to one Irish parent and Greek parent and lived there until she was five...

Nationality: Irish.

Not half Irish, not kinda Irish, not Irish at the weekends. Irish.

Deal with it.

Nationality and ethnicity aren't the same thing, my deluded orange friend.

Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 06:27PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

See, this is why the whole notion of being Irish is toxic. It's nothing more than a belief system, and so creates followers and fanatics.

Total Rubbish. Ireland are about to play Australia in the Aviva. Check out all the 'toxicity' in the stadium. :rolleyes:

Arcade_Tryer · 26-11-2016 06:27PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

If they have integrated and genuinely identify as Irish then they should be accepted as such. People who don't identify as Irish, even if they were born here, are not Irish and never will be.

That would be me, Ted. Never refer to myself as Irish. And never will.

Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 06:30PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Nationality and ethnicity aren't the same thing, my deluded orange friend.

Yeah well spotted. Gerogia Salpa, Paul Mc Grath and Phil Lynott are Irish people. They enjoy the same rights as any other Irish person and I daresay would consider themselves as Irish and nothing else.

What do you mean by 'orange'?

tonycascarino · 26-11-2016 06:30PM

If you have Irish parents and at least 3 Irish grandparents then you are fully Irish to me...

Avatar MIA · 26-11-2016 06:31PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

If you have Irish parents and Irish grandparents then you are fully Irish to me...

I thought you'd be the one person who wouldn't need any parent or grandparent to be Irish :pac:

Jimmy Garlic · 26-11-2016 06:32PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

See, this is why the whole notion of being Irish is toxic. It's nothing more than a belief system, and so creates followers and fanatics. And various interpretations. Paul McGrath is 100% human being. He can believe himself to be a bit of all the nationalities in the world for all I care.

It is human nature to want to identify with and be part of something they can call their own. A community, a culture. This ''global citizen'' guff that is being parroted about by some people is just an extension of globalism. Of course those who would see themselves as globalists (Peter Sutherland etc) do not want groups of people with strong identities, cultures of their own and societal cohesion, that's an obstacle for them. It's much harder to exploit people if they can rally around something and stand up to you.

Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 06:39PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Never refer to myself as Irish. And never will.

Oh my God you're, loike, so enlightened.

I notice you like a bit of GAA. So you don't identify as Irish but you identify with your county's GAA teams?

Bahahahahahahahaaaaa!

tonycascarino · 26-11-2016 06:39PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I thought you'd be the one person who wouldn't need any parent or grandparent to be Irish :pac:

I really need to change my username...:D

Arcade_Tryer · 26-11-2016 06:45PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Total Rubbish. Ireland are about to play Australia in the Aviva. Check out all the 'toxicity' in the stadium. :rolleyes:

Two teams are about to play in the Aviva. I never said nationalism was not great fun. It just also happens to be toxic.

Galwayguy35 · 26-11-2016 06:48PM

Someone born in Ireland to Irish parents who were also born here.

Anyone else is just an Irish citizen not really Irish.

Jimmy Garlic · 26-11-2016 06:48PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

I never said nationalism was not great fun. It just also happens to be toxic.

What would you like to see it replaced with? What's the non-toxic alternative according to you?

MadDog76 · 26-11-2016 06:50PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You do realise that there would never be Irish parents, grandparents, great grandparents if you apply your 'rule' of Irishness at the start. Say one of your great great great great grandparents was Spanish and the other Irish, their offspring would not be classed as Irish, according to your rule, and you would not be classed as Irish

Pherekydes wrote: »

Not being pedantic, just using your logic.

What "rule/logic" is that? I said Grandparents being Irish, not tracing your roots back to the dawn of time!

I'd go back 4, 5 or maybe 6 generations or so ...........

Goya · 26-11-2016 06:51PM

Crikey, some amount of overthinking. Nationality/national identity in and of itself toxic? Burn your passport so. Any toxicity is down to the person's own outlook in relation to their nationality/nationality identity. Being nationalistic may be toxic (not always, depends on context) but just having a nationality - hardly.

Arcade_Tryer · 26-11-2016 06:55PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

do not want groups of people with strong identities, cultures of their own and societal cohesion, that's an obstacle for them.

Please explain how being Irish is necessary for any of those to exist in Ireland.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Oh my God you're, loike, so enlightened.

I notice you like a bit of GAA. So you don't identify as Irish but you identify with your county's GAA teams?

Bahahahahahahahaaaaa!

Thanks for proving my point once again. Getting down on my knees and praying doesn't mean I believe in God or that I'm religious. Nor does supporting a GAA team or playing GAA mean I consider myself a county or Irish. Of course it involves compartmentalization. But it's a damn sight better than ignorance.

Grayson · 26-11-2016 06:57PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Someone born in Ireland to Irish parents who were also born here.

Anyone else is just an Irish citizen not really Irish.

So taking me an an example. I was born in the UK to Irish parents who were working there. We moved back before I started school. I'm 41 years old and have lived here pretty much my entire life. I'm not really Irish.

Thanks. Enjoy your purity.

Arcade_Tryer · 26-11-2016 06:58PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What would you like to see it replaced with? What's the non-toxic alternative according to you?

There already is a replacement: Citizenship of a country.

Brussels Sprout · 26-11-2016 06:59PM

I always get the feeling that the sort of people who obsess about these kind of things do so because they take some comfort and a sense of superiority from passing their own "purity test". It's like they're using it to bat away some creeping anxiety about the changing face of the country as we get more immigrants coming here.

MadDog76 · 26-11-2016 07:00PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Crux of the issue here. And why this thread is a disaster.

I'm legally defined as a citizen of Ireland which is fine as I was born and live within the boundaries of the country of Ireland, but I never refer to myself as being Irish. Nor would I ever wish to do so.

I find it hilarious that there are so many Posters jumping to the defence of the poor "Irish" people being considered non-Irish as if being Irish is an unbelievable honour ......... I'm Irish because I was born to two Irish people who were also born to two Irish people here on the island of Ireland ........ that's a simple fact which did not require any special set of circumstances to occur, ie. I'm not honoured because I'm Irish, I'm just Irish.

If you were born and raised in Poland (or born here to Polish parents) then your not Irish, you're Polish ............ it's not an insult to consider a Polish person non-Irish ......... in fact, the opposite is probably true in most cases.

Basically people should stop defending people who may not need, or want, you to defend them.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-11-2016 07:00PM

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Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 07:00PM

Flimpson wrote: »

Being nationalistic may be toxic (not always, depends on context) but just having a nationality - hardly.

I find these 'I'm a citizen of the World' pseuds insufferable bores.

Arcade_Tryer · 26-11-2016 07:01PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

I always get the feeling that the sort of people who obsess about these kind of things do so because they take some comfort and a sense of superiority from passing their own "purity test". It's like they're using it to bat away some creeping anxiety about the changing face of the country as we get more immigrants coming here.

Racism and Nationalism are like Brussels and Sprouts.

26-11-2016 07:02PM

All of the above.

MadDog76 · 26-11-2016 07:04PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

People who've just received their citizenship are Irish as far as I'm concerned. Ethnic nationalism is bull****.

What if those people do not consider themselves Irish? Should we force them to swear an undying allegiance to the Tricolour and declare that they now bleed green just because they wanted (for any number of practical reasons) Irish Citizenship??

sryanbruen · 26-11-2016 07:06PM

If you're born in Ireland then simple as that. Anything outside of that is very stupid tbh. Like I'm Irish but my mother was born to a Canadian family, so..... your nationality (in this case Irish) should depend on your place of birth.

MadDog76 · 26-11-2016 07:07PM

Lia_lia wrote: »

I don't like these threads. I always get told I'm "not Irish".

I was born in England to an English Father and Irish Mother. Lived in a few different countries and moved here when I was in primary school. I've an Irish first and second name, have an Irish passport, Irish accent, work and live in Ireland...does this not make me Irish.

I just don't want to be English wahhh

As long as you consider yourself Irish then that's all that should really matter to you ......... don't get hung-up on what other people consider you to be ........ I don't blame you for not wanting to be considered English though!!

How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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