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How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

  • 26-11-2016 11:34AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭


    I'm just wondering how, in your opinion, you would define somebody who is or isn't Irish and have provided a multiple choice poll for this for which you can tick as many options as you want.

    As we all know we are continuously living in a more and more globalised world, with increasing mobility and better transport meaning more movement between people, more immigration within the world meaning what defines a person’s nationality is becoming more and more complex now. A lot of people however are opposed to this ongoing globalisation as we have seen throughout 2016 with brexit, Trump and the rise of anti-globalist populist parties in the world, fearing loss of cultural identity and would take the more traditional view that in order to be Irish is not only to born and bred in Ireland, but to be primarily of Irish origin/have Irish ancestry as well.

    Opinions vary of course and I'm happy to hear views from all sides.

    For the poll options I have included option 1, which is to be born and bred in Ireland and to have at least one Irish parent, option 2, for people born in Ireland to foreign parents (including people born prior to 2004 so would be entitled to Irish citizenship), option 3, for an immigrant who has since naturalised and now holds Irish citizenship, option 4, for someone who was born and brought up abroad to Irish parents (2nd generation).

    How do you define someone who is Irish? 1506 votes

    Born and/or brought up in Ireland to Irish parent(s)
    0% 1 vote
    Born and/or brought up in Ireland to foreign parents
    50% 763 votes
    Someone who moved here as an adult and has since naturalised
    33% 499 votes
    Born and brought up abroad to Irish parents
    16% 243 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Wouldn't true Irish be born in Ireland to Irish parents grandparents etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    For me, in order for somebody to be truly Irish then they must be born and raised in Ireland to two Irish parents who were also born and raised in Ireland and have Irish Grandparents etc. ........ your poll doesn't include that option fully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,009 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    you can tick as many options as you want.
    No you can't. You can only choose one option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭gifted


    When they go to the bar when its their round...no prompting or dropping hints...just go themselves...pure irish like lol lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭5rtytry56


    I will not vote in the thread. However, I have rated it fairly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    How many generations back do you want to go in order to define Irish? I'm pretty sure all of us have some English or even Norman or Viking blood in us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    If you're born here, or your parents are Irish, then you're Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    The unicorn song and green beer on Patty's Day. That makes you Irish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Eamondomc


    A foreigner, a blow in, English, French, German, etc etc depending on where they're from.
    Stupid poll, not nearly enough options.

    Would being a holder of an Irish passport Qualify?
    Being an Irish citizen, no matter where you're from?
    Eligible to play for some of our national teams?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    osarusan wrote: »
    No you can't. You can only choose one option.

    Fixed it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    How do you define someone who is/isn't Irish?
    I don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,013 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Depends on how good a footballer they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    If you are born in the Republic of Ireland, you're Irish.

    If you're not born in the Republic of Ireland then you're not Irish.

    Simple really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    If you are born in the Republic of Ireland, you're Irish.

    If you're not born in the Republic of Ireland then you're not Irish.

    Simple really.

    If you are not born to Irish parents you are not Irish


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    If you're born here, or your parents are Irish, then you're Irish.
    If you are born in the Republic of Ireland, you're Irish.

    If you're not born in the Republic of Ireland then you're not Irish.

    Simple really.

    I disagree ..............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Someone paying taxes in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Eamondomc


    If you go to the labour to sign on and you have difficulty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,009 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Thread is going to be ugly...'real' Irish, 'true' Irish, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    What about someone born and bred in Ireland to English parents? I know a few of them, went through the education system here, involved in local GAA clubs, learnt Irish etc.

    Would they not be Irish, even if they hold Irish citizenship?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    PucaMama wrote: »
    If you are not born to Irish parents you are not Irish

    You're nationality is something that concerns you and not your parents. It's entirely based on your place of birth. To base someone else's nationality on where their parents are born is ridiculous - They're nationality can be different to their child's nationality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    I had an Asian lad one day telling me he was Irish as he had an Irish passport.

    What a joke!!!

    Only if you're born in Ireland in my mind makes you 100% Irish.

    Irish parentage in a foreign country dilutes the credentials a little but yes, Irish!

    Anything after that is heresy!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    What about someone born and bred in Ireland to English parents? I know a few of them, went through the education system here, involved in local GAA clubs, learnt Irish etc.

    Would they not be Irish, even if they hold Irish citizenship?

    They're legally Irish of course ............ but I personally would not consider them to be Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    osarusan wrote: »
    Thread is going to be ugly...'real' Irish, 'true' Irish, etc.

    I know, I actually hold liberal views on this myself and have a broad definition of Irishness but I didn't want to come across as overly condemning people who hold conservative views as 'racist' and labelled it as 'traditional' views. I wanted an honest reflection of what generally people think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    I'd rather give an example rather than a definition.

    If someone is in Ireland from a young age, even if both their parents are foreign and go through the Irish education system, then they are Irish.

    So, not a great definition, but would be ruled out by what others have described in this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    You're nationality is something that concerns you and not your parents. It's entirely based on your place of birth. To base someone else's nationality on where their parents are born is ridiculous - They're nationality can be different to their child's nationality.

    That's a very simplistic view to hold .........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    I know, I actually hold liberal views on this myself and have a broad definition of Irishness but I didn't want to come across as overly condemning people who hold conservative views as 'racist' and labelled it as 'traditional' views. I wanted an honest reflection of what generally people think.

    Because others don't necessarily share your viewpoint doesn't make them racists!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    but I personally would not consider them to be Irish.

    But, you're mad and a dog, so... meh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    But, you're mad and a dog, so... meh.

    And Irish ......... so there! :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    I'd rather give an example rather than a definition.

    If someone is in Ireland from a young age, even if both their parents are foreign and go through the Irish education system, then they are Irish
    .

    So, not a great definition, but would be ruled out by what others have described in this thread.[/QUOTE

    Are you serious???


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