Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Gamebred · 17-11-2016 11:06PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

We don't, he's been KO'd once by one of the most powerful shots around which he also ran into.

I'd give it to Aldo - he's still a great, GOAT featherweight and he came back well vs Edgar (next best contender at the time). I think it could be a fantastic standup battle if Aldo doesn't do something stupid again.

I never get this statement about Aldo being the GOAT at fw?(he was till a certain Irish man came along) Conor is clearly the best fighter to fight at the weight limit in the last few years, yeah he had no wec career like Aldo but he beat and ko'd the best of them in the UFC bar Edgar, he can still make 145 potentially so he's the 145 GOAT as far as im concerned.

finglashoop · 17-11-2016 11:06PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Why are you opposed to Max v Aldo and Khabib v Ferguson?

Are you able to make a solid case for BOTH Khabib and Tony? Yes. So let them fight and then there is a clear contender.

I can see why the interim belt muddies the waters at FW and i'm not arguing Aldo is undeserving of a title shot. I'm arguing he isn't this CLEAR CUT no debating it contender. Max has impressive claims. If Aldo wasn't holding an interim belt we'd all agree that Max v Aldo is a fair match to make.

Did you have a problem with Frank Mir defending the Interim Belt against Shane Carwin at UFC 111?

Brock wasn't injured at that stage or suffering from Diverticulitis either - he was in training and fought four months later.

Exact same logic I'm employing here. Let Aldo defend the Interim strap against Holloway and the winner faces McGregor.

Funny how people seem to think these things are unheard of. The Interim Belt has been defended on 3 occasions in UFC history while a champion was not injured.

Im not opposed to them fighting but both have fought to get into position to challenge for a title. So they should both get a shot, it just depends who gets to go first.

Aldo edgar was billed as a title eliminator. Considering mcgregor has had 3 fights since he won the belt and i think since that eliminator he should defend or drop belt.

wonderfullife · 17-11-2016 11:07PM

Chael Sonnen needs to get a grip on reality.

He interviewed Eddie and I know it's a good idea to be nice to your guest but he literally said the following:

"I think you're a better fighter (than Conor) and I'd like to see a re-match".

I won't bash Eddie for anything he said in this interview but Chael needs to slap himself.

Gamebred feel free to throw in a gif.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjY6qN7YnVo

darced · 17-11-2016 11:08PM

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Gamebred · 17-11-2016 11:09PM

https://twitter.com/SeanSheehanBA/status/799319946387828736

Seen this on twitter, I dont follow or even like the chap but my god he's hit the nail on the head.

darced · 17-11-2016 11:15PM

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Gamebred · 17-11-2016 11:18PM

darced wrote: »

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Defend it against who? bar Edgar he holds wins over Aldo Holloway and Mendes, the 3 best fighters to ever fight at 145 and not just wins easy wins.

mdwexford · 17-11-2016 11:18PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What people seem to be missing (completely) is that the UFC regime under WME/IMG is a hybrid of sporting meritocracy and sports entertainment.

Why did we have the tournament planned at MW? Why did Weidman need to fight Romero? Why did Rockhold need to fight Jacare? Surely by the logic you employed, Bisping should have just defended it immediately against Jacare or Weidman or Rockhold. Surely they could have all just sat on the sidelines and waited for a title shot, on the basis there's no need to be number 1 contender.

If a clear contender is not needed, then why arrange those fights?

Answer = They have an element of sporting merit (to try decide a clear contender) and they have an element of sports entertainment (to try make the UFC money putting the fights on).

It's no different here.

If they do it at Middleweight then why not do it at Lightweight or Featherweight. Of course, you could just make both Khabib and Ferguson sit on the sidelines and let Conor try to defend the strap against them both consecutively - but that robs the fans of amazing fights in the meantime.

Likewise with Aldo. I'd much prefer he goes and beats Max/Pettis and then fights Conor than to see the Conor rematch immediately.

Bisping had a fight vs Henderson. That's why they arranged other fights at MW, plus the fact that's what the UFC is, guys fighting each other. He wasn't sitting on the sidelines waiting for a clear number one contender.

Champions don't usually sit waiting on the sideline until a definitive number one appears.

Personally I don't care about the holding up divisions thing. If Conor wants to fight Woodley next by all means make the Aldo/Holloway and Khabib/Ferguson fights if they all want to fight each other.

I don't think a champion should sit out inactive until a number one contender tournament resolves.

CurryFlavoured · 17-11-2016 11:20PM

Aldo was champ for how many years, beat contender after contender very comfortably. Was given problems in maybe one fight vs Mendes before Conor. Conor could go on to be the GOAT 145er but he hasn't defended the belt as of yet.

wonderfullife · 17-11-2016 11:26PM

I'm probably reaching here. I'll accept that.

But - do you think any of the Featherweights actually want Conor stripped?

Not a hope. They'd need to be certified insane if they want Conor stripped and gone from their division. They are all trying to pressure the UFC into making him defend the belt (sure) but none of them want him strolling off into the sunset.

Max Holloway is currently on $75,000/$75,000 show/win.

Jose Aldo was on $120,000/$120,000 before UFC 194.

They'd need to be mental to want him stripped. Anybody fighting Conor clears $2.5 million. Literally anybody.

Axwell · 17-11-2016 11:27PM

Lads I am not going to repeat myself every few hours - attack the post not the poster if you have something to say. People are allowed a different opinion to yours, it does not entitle you to go make comments towards them. Discuss the points they make, the holes in them - whatever. But leave out the personal attacks or you will be taking a break from here.

darced · 17-11-2016 11:28PM

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wonderfullife · 17-11-2016 11:37PM

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Aldo was well on track to being the GOAT until that 13 second loss. Right now his legacy is not all those decision wins and defences in the UFC - it's being leveled unconscious by Conor.

The last person who wants Conor stripped of the FW belt should be Aldo (unless he has intentions of chasing him to 155).

As i said above, the only people looking for him to be stripped are actually fans. Every fighter at 145 is praying he sticks around as they know 1 fight with him sets them up for life.

darced · 17-11-2016 11:40PM

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wonderfullife · 17-11-2016 11:47PM

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What i'm saying is let's suppose the following happens:

Just after Xmas, the UFC announce they have booked Conor v Woodley at UFC 209.

Do you think Aldo and Holloway are going to start screaming for him to be stripped? They will absolutely want him to keep that belt. Obviously it can't go on indefinitely but they will all be hoping he remains the champion and is forced to defend.

If i was the UFC, which i'm not, I would sit down with Conor and say: "who do you want next and how much do you want?". Give him both things. But make him sign as part of his contract that he must defend the 145lb belt by a certain date or be stripped.

There's zero point in being a 2-weight or 3-weight world champion and keeping the belts if he doesn't want to EVER defend them. As much as I love him, he's won 4 world titles now between CW and UFC and has 0 defences. If he truly wants the legacy of being the Greatest Ever, he has to try get a couple of defences in of each belt.

weldoninhio · 17-11-2016 11:54PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Aldo was well on track to being the GOAT until that 13 second loss. Right now his legacy is not all those decision wins and defences in the UFC - it's being leveled unconscious by Conor.

The last person who wants Conor stripped of the FW belt should be Aldo (unless he has intentions of chasing him to 155).

As i said above, the only people looking for him to be stripped are actually fans. Every fighter at 145 is praying he sticks around as they know 1 fight with him sets them up for life.

But going by some people in this thread who stated that Diaz 2 restored McGregors aura and mystique and he had to fight and beat him to do that. Doesn't the same apply to Aldo?? He was beaten by McGregor, but if he comes back and beats him now, he'll get his mystique and aura back, no??

Lukker- · 18-11-2016 12:00AM

darced wrote: »

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That's fanciful. I'm not gonna take the bet because I don't see the point but UFC 194 just about got 1m buys and it was the most promoted card in UFC history, with the highest advertising budget of any fight so far.

A lot of it comes down to Aldo not being a good promoter. He even boasted during the year long build-up that he was happy to sit back and let McGregor do all the talking.

The reason the likes of Diaz vs McGregor did so well was because it was excellent co promotion. People who hated McGregor would tune in to see someone who could not only beat him in the cage but could give it back at all the press conferences. They didn't need to cut expensive promos for that fight because it sold itself.

Aldo has never been a big draw and I don't really see that changing this late in his career. It wouldn't surprise me if it was the worst selling McGregor PPV in a long time given the fact that we've had 2 prolonged build ups which ended up ultimately as a massive anti-climax.

akelly02 · 18-11-2016 12:12AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Defend it against who? bar Edgar he holds wins over Aldo Holloway and Mendes, the 3 best fighters to ever fight at 145 and not just wins easy wins.

Well thats that then, no point in defending it ever! Featherweight division shut up shop.

darced · 18-11-2016 12:15AM

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wonderfullife · 18-11-2016 01:01AM

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To begin with, that was correct - UFC 189 and 194 both had decent undercards, 194 more so. But then UFC 196 had Ilir Latifi and Gian Vilante just before the co-main event and UFC 202 had Perry v Lim on the MAIN card.

I think the UFC actually figured out that Conor will sell the event single-handed and stacking the undercards wouldn't add too many buys.

The PPV numbers for 196/202 are astonishing because the undercards were ridiculously weak. If you removed Conor from each card, both would be Fight Pass cards at worst and FS1 cards at best.

The metrics on UFC 205 are really weird. It broke the gate record, the attendance record, the social media impressions record, it broke the Embedded series record, the highest attended weigh-in record, it had a 1.8m avg viewership for the prelims etc (all higher numbers than UFC 202). So i'd find it weird for the PPV number to come in below 202.

Dana White initially said they categorically broke the PPV record but then the official UFC press release said "One of the highest PPV of all time". Which is exactly what they said after 202. Point being - they're not 'lying' by saying "one of the highest" - It can still end up being the highest ever - but it does slightly limit Conors leverage to not have that in the public domain.

The fight that would break the 2 million barrier, imo, is Conor seeking an historic 3rd belt with Woodley and if i had to put money on it, i reckon it goes down at UFC 209 in March. Conor is fresh as a daisy and the baby not due til May. If they throw a boat load of money at him, I reckon it gets done.

rob316 · 18-11-2016 01:18AM

The more Conor fights the more intrigued fans and non-fans are going to get, leading to bigger PPV numbers. Conor is the draw, you could fill the card with nobodies and it would still sell the bones of 2 million PPV.
Saying that I really hope we do see a super card more regularly like 205, maybe once a year. That was an epic night of combat, one of the best I can remember in front of the TV.

You only have to go to a Mcgregor fight and see for yourself. I was at 202 and half the place was empty before the main event, a lot of his fans have no interest in seen anyone else. Personally I think its mad considering the money they spent on tickets/travel but each to their own.

Great point about the FW fighters not wanting Conor stripped, he said it himself that division is buried in the prelims if he isn't in the picture.

Lukker- · 18-11-2016 01:22AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

To begin with, that was correct - UFC 189 and 194 both had decent undercards, 194 more so. But then UFC 196 had Ilir Latifi and Gian Vilante just before the co-main event and UFC 202 had Perry v Lim on the MAIN card.

I think the UFC actually figured out that Conor will sell the event single-handed and stacking the undercards wouldn't add too many buys.

The PPV numbers for 196/202 are astonishing because the undercards were ridiculously weak. If you removed Conor from each card, both would be Fight Pass cards at worst and FS1 cards at best.

The metrics on UFC 205 are really weird. It broke the gate record, the attendance record, the social media impressions record, it broke the Embedded series record, the highest attended weigh-in record, it had a 1.8m avg viewership for the prelims etc (all higher numbers than UFC 202). So i'd find it weird for the PPV number to come in below 202.

Dana White initially said they categorically broke the PPV record but then the official UFC press release said "One of the highest PPV of all time". Which is exactly what they said after 202. Point being - they're not 'lying' by saying "one of the highest" - It can still end up being the highest ever - but it does slightly limit Conors leverage to not have that in the public domain.

The fight that would break the 2 million barrier, imo, is Conor seeking an historic 3rd belt with Woodley and if i had to put money on it, i reckon it goes down at UFC 209 in March. Conor is fresh as a daisy and the baby not due til May. If they throw a boat load of money at him, I reckon it gets done.

Nah, the belt itself isn't that much of a draw. It'd certainly boost numbers dramatically over a regular card, but Tyron isn't that big of a draw, and I doubt he'd get to involved in the promotion/thrash talk which is just his style and I respect it.

I agree with Dave Meltzer, I think the only way the UFC breaks 2 million buys other than putting Rousey and McGregor on the same card (which they'll never do), is GSP vs. McGregor or McGregor vs Mayweather in a UFC/TMT co promotion

Gamebred · 18-11-2016 01:24AM

In terms of viewing experience I didnt rank it ahead of that 189 card tbh, From Gunni strangling Thatch who looked unstoppable then to one the best fights ever Rory Lawler then Conor winning his first belt even the undercard Jeremy Stephens v Bermudez was a classic and I'll never forget Almeida's flying knee.

TheTownie · 18-11-2016 01:35AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Chael Sonnen needs to get a grip on reality.

He interviewed Eddie and I know it's a good idea to be nice to your guest but he literally said the following:

"I think you're a better fighter (than Conor) and I'd like to see a re-match".

I won't bash Eddie for anything he said in this interview but Chael needs to slap himself.

Gamebred feel free to throw in a gif.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjY6qN7YnVo

IMO you mis-interpreted the context of what Chael said there. "I think you're a better fighter" meaning Alvarez is better than what he showed on the night. He'd like to see a re-match to see how the 'real' Eddie would fair against Conor. Of course thats a real stretch by Chael but its nice to be nice I guess.

Lukker- · 18-11-2016 01:40AM

In fairness to Chael, Eddie's still clearly very down about his whole performance. It's bad form to invite someone onto your podcast and kick them while they are down and he's got more class than to do that.

Sure Chael was saying only yesterday that Conor was the greatest fighter in UFC history

EuskalHerria · 18-11-2016 01:41AM

Gamebred wrote: »

In terms of viewing experience I didnt rank it ahead of that 189 card tbh, From Gunni strangling Thatch who looked unstoppable then to one the best fights ever Rory Lawler then Conor winning his first belt even the undercard Jeremy Stephens v Bermudez was a classic and I'll never forget Almeida's flying knee.

Couldn't agree with this more. Every fight that night was immense, culminating in Conor's win.

Rainman16 · 18-11-2016 01:44AM

I love Conor. But there is no way he can beat Floyd Mayweather under boxing rules.

The outcome is already set in stone. The question is, How much is McGregor willing to sell his legacy for? His answer, $100m.

Mod:We dont need another thread to discuss this..keep it in the Conor McGregor thread..

Lukker- · 18-11-2016 01:46AM

I think if you include prelims UFC 205 won't be beat on the strength of the overall card but 189 will probably go down as one of the most entertaining of all time.

Tilikum · 18-11-2016 01:46AM

Rainman16 wrote: »

I love Conor. But there is no way he can beat Floyd Mayweather under boxing rules.

The outcome is already set in stone. The question is, How much is McGregor willing to sell his legacy for? His answer, $100m.

He'd get battered but if I was him and I was offered €100m (which he won't be) I'd definitely take the hiding.

Lukker- · 18-11-2016 01:49AM

What does he take in on a good night in the UFC? He got probably $10m for Diaz 1, maybe $12 for Diaz 2 and probably close to the same for 205?

$50m wouldn't be outlandish if he was to fight Mayweather, but the UFC would take a substantial cut due to co-promotion. I think he knows this won't happen.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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