Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

weldoninhio · 17-11-2016 02:54PM

everlast75 wrote: »

If it was anyone else, I would agree. But Aldo seems to be injured conveniently quite a lot.

That's down to the UFC to decide. I'm sure they would have him medically checked over if he was pulling out of a fight. Have they ever stated that he was pulling a sickie?? I haven't seen that statement if they have

winston82 · 17-11-2016 02:56PM

Saipanne wrote: »

You're just not getting it, Edgar was not the number 1 for a title shot.

What I don't get is why would he scape a win over Diaz rather than defend his featherweight belt? If you are a true champion surely this is a no brainer? What's that about?

moneyman · 17-11-2016 03:05PM

winston82 wrote: »

What I don't get is why would he scape a win over Diaz rather than defend his featherweight belt? If your a true champion surely this is a no brained? What's that about?

What on earth is difficult to get about him wanting to avenge a loss rather than fight someone that he already KO'd in 13 seconds? Which do you think is a bigger motivation for him?

winston82 · 17-11-2016 03:12PM

moneyman wrote: »

What on earth is difficult to get about him wanting to avenge a loss rather than fight someone that he already KO'd in 13 seconds? Which do you think is a bigger motivation for him?

You don't think his next fight after Diaz 1 should not have been a defence of this title? Is he not the featherweight champion? Who cares about avenging a loss. Diaz choked him. It was done..

0byme75341jo28 · 17-11-2016 03:27PM

Ah not this "true champion" nonsense :rolleyes: He beat the champions of two weight divisions, he's the true champion in each. To say otherwise is simply ridiculous.

winston82 · 17-11-2016 03:33PM

Tripp Modern Self-sacrifice wrote: »

Ah not this "true champion" nonsense :rolleyes: He beat the champions of two weight divisions, he's the true champion in each. To say otherwise is simply ridiculous.

Did I say otherwise that he wasn't the "true" champion? Can you quote where I said that?

What I asked was why he didn't defend the title as the current featherweight champion after the Diaz first fight? He should have been stripped of it when he made the decision to avenge being choked by Diaz.

mdwexford · 17-11-2016 03:56PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The game is the same as it was before McGregor, and it will be the same after he's gone. He's said he wants to retire young. It would be incredibly short-sighted of the UFC to alienate and disenfranchise the rest of their roster for one fighter.

As it is UFC have basically given up on MMA being about competition and putting the best in the division vs the best by allowing McGregor cherry-pick fights that'll make the most money. If one of the other promotions, or a new one got their act together I could see a lot of disgruntled fighters switching and UFC missing out in the long term.

Ahh you're back to cry again.

Say you were gutted when he beat Alvarez.

Cherry picking fights, that's the best you can come up with now.
Embarrassing stuff.

Gamebred · 17-11-2016 03:57PM

Clutching at straws now their last hope is Khabib, when hes unconscious it will be ''Yeah but hes ducking Woodley''.

Saipanne · 17-11-2016 04:09PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Clutching at straws now their last hope is Khabib, when hes unconscious it will be ''Yeah but hes ducking Woodley''.

The logical end is "He's ducked Lesnar"...

empacher · 17-11-2016 04:11PM

The man said he's here to make as much money as possible in the shortest space of time. While staying healthy.

Ofcourse he's going to sugar pick his fights.

Get in, get rich, get out.

You do realise every punch in training, in the octagon does damage. Increases the chances devolping degenerative brain diseases.

Same as americian football.

If i was him id make as much money in as little time as possible. Get the **** out and hope i dont devolp dementia or alzheimers in my 60's.

Gamebred · 17-11-2016 04:12PM

Saipanne wrote: »

The logical end is "He's ducked Lesnar"...

There is no end for these people, the scenes when Diaz won it made their lives, the amount of people that had turned into Nate fans having never heard of him 2 weeks previous I seen he had marching bands and all in Vegas dont remember any these fans being behind him when he was 3/1 last christmas to beat Michael Johnson,

They are morphing into Khabib fans as we speak.

macnug · 17-11-2016 04:23PM

I'd like to see khabib and Ferguson fight, winner fights McGregor and McGregor to fight Aldo just to shut him up. If they had that on the same card it would do the numbers imo. Don't have an appetite for Diaz 3 yet.

Easy Rod · 17-11-2016 04:27PM

winston82 wrote: »

McGregor should have never been fighting for the lightweight title. 3 fights later and still no defence of the featherweight title. Should be stripped of it 3 months ago. Ridiculous him fighting Diaz for the second time and even more absurd he being the number 1 contender against Alvarez. That's the reality of things and anyone seeing this differently needs a Stockton slap. I'm not a McGregor hater. I find him quite entertaining but that's all he is, entertaining.

Doesn't quite compute there mate.

winston82 · 17-11-2016 04:33PM

Gamebred wrote: »

There is no end for these people, the scenes when Diaz won it made their lives, the amount of people that had turned into Nate fans having never heard of him 2 weeks previous I seen he had marching bands and all in Vegas dont remember any these fans being behind him when he was 3/1 last christmas to beat Michael Johnson,

They are morphing into Khabib fans as we speak.

Well lad, I think your passive aggressive responses likes this to any poster who has a counter argument to McGregor dismishes all credibility you have as an mma fan. I understand your got in to mma when McGregor came in to the UFC, and you're really passionate about the fact that he's Irish and you're Irish and that somehow makes you training partners but, me personally, I'd like to see a defence of the featherweight title because that's what the champion does, defends his title.

There are no Nate fans here, just mma fans and the quicker you learn that then you'll sit in nicely the mma community, not just on board.ie.

winston82 · 17-11-2016 04:34PM

Easy Rod wrote: »

Doesn't quite compute there mate.

Then you're not understanding it properly. It's ok.

Gamebred · 17-11-2016 04:35PM

winston82 wrote: »

Well lad, I think your passive aggressive responses likes this to any poster who has a counter argument to McGregor dismishes all credibility you have as an mma fan. I understand your got in to mma when McGregor came in to the UFC, and you're really passionate about the fact that he's Irish and you're Irish and that somehow makes you training partners but, me personally, I'd like to see a defence of the featherweight title because that's what the champion does, defends his title.

There are no Nate fans here, just mma fans and the quicker you learn that then you'll sit in nicely the mma community, not just on board.ie.

LOL

Absolutely pathetic, pack it in seriously trying to resort to ''Im an mma fan longer than you'' you havent the slightest notion how long me or anybody else on here is following or like me training martial arts.

Saipanne · 17-11-2016 04:39PM

I feel sorry for people who don't seem to realise that the UFC is a business. If you want MMA as a pure art form, I guess watch amateur?

Axwell · 17-11-2016 04:43PM

Lads cut out the nonsense - the personal attacks and I am a bigger fan/longer fan crap. People do not have to like McGregor, they dont have to agree with you..or with everyone else. Its a forum, where people can give their opinion and it can be different to yours. Deal with it and dont start attacking someone just because they might not say McGregor is amazing and idolise him as much as you. Put an end to it now, you are all here long enough..

Effects · 17-11-2016 04:59PM

winston82 wrote: »

I find him quite entertaining but that's all he is, entertaining.

So he used his entertainment skills to beat the title holders in two different weight classes? One of whom had an unbeaten streak for ten years.

Effects · 17-11-2016 05:04PM

everlast75 wrote: »

If it was anyone else, I would agree. But Aldo seems to be injured conveniently quite a lot.

Not to mention he's an unofficial drugs cheat.

Mod: Against the charter rules.

Depp · 17-11-2016 05:05PM

winston82 wrote: »

Did I say otherwise that he wasn't the "true" champion? Can you quote where I said that?

winston82 wrote: »

What I don't get is why would he scape a win over Diaz rather than defend his featherweight belt? If you are a true champion surely this is a no brainer? What's that about?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Effects · 17-11-2016 05:07PM

winston82 wrote: »

What I don't get is why would he scape a win over Diaz rather than defend his featherweight belt? If you are a true champion surely this is a no brainer? What's that about?

Really? You don't get it?
It's about showing himself and everybody else that he has it in him to beat Diaz, under the same conditions. It's the furthest thing from fighting purely for a title or money.

sonofenoch · 17-11-2016 05:14PM

Luap wrote: »

Conor's not going to fight Aldo. He's said already he wants to be sure the opponent with show up.

Poor aul Aldo will be given the belt. But deep down he'll have a sour taste in his mouth and Conor knows it.

Aldo could always go up to 55 to avenge his defeat, if he really wanted to........Edgar fought at that weight and he's arguably smaller than him....probably not tho, never been a risk taker with his 1 or 2 fights a year bashing 'midgets' at 145

winston82 · 17-11-2016 05:19PM

Effects wrote: »

Really? You don't get it?
It's about showing himself and everybody else that he has it in him to beat Diaz, under the same conditions. It's the furthest thing from fighting purely for a title or money.

It wasn't under the same conditions though. Diaz was out of shape. Diaz was also a number 5 lightweight and probably a number 15 ranked welterweight.

All that is well and good if you are not holding a title. He was. He chose not to take tithe defence. In fairness to Aldo, Cormier, Mighty Mouse, Jones, Couture, Liddell.... Defending their titles was the priority. That's what cemented their champion status.

Lukker- · 17-11-2016 05:20PM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Luap wrote: »

Conor's not going to fight Aldo. He's said already he wants to be sure the opponent with show up.

Poor aul Aldo will be given the belt. But deep down he'll have a sour taste in his mouth and Conor knows it.

Aldo could always go up to 55 to avenge his defeat, if he really wanted to........Edgar fought at that weight and he's arguably smaller than him....probably not tho, never been a risk taker with his 1 or 2 fights a year bashing 'midgets' at 145

He'd get wrecked at that weight. It was a different era back then. Fighters are bigger in all weight classes these days. There are plenty of fighters at LW with very similar skillsets that would have just too much height and weight for him. He'd struggle to be make top 7 imo

wonderfullife · 17-11-2016 05:24PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

How many fighters get a title fight in their first ever fight in a new division??

It's "sports entertainment", being in the money and don't worry about who the number one contender is.

BJ Penn got a title shot at Welterweight after only 2 fights at that weight class and he was 1-1 in those 2 fights at WW.

Randy Couture got an Interim title fight at Light Heavyweight in his very first appearance in the weight class.

Your narrative of Conor being some special case because he talks a lot of trash and it's not a "sport" is BS.

If it was good enough for Penn and Couture then it's sure as hell good enough for Conor, who is 10 times the star either of those guys ever were in their prime.

As for "sports entertainment" - That's not up to Conor. That's up to WME/IMG. They bought the thing for $4.2 billion. If they want to be a legitimate sport the FIRST thing they need to do is implement an actual ranking system that doesn't rely on journalists sitting at home in their boxers eating cheetos.

If they want to be a sport then cut out the nonsense where Lorenz Larkin for weeks after destroying Magny was ranked below Magny. Cut out the nonsense where Manuwa for a week was still ranked below OSP who he merked. Cut out the crap where Gastelum has slipped 3 spots in the rankings for missing weight, despite the 3 guys below him not even fighting. Gastelum is now below Hendricks who he literally beat in his last fight.

None of that is in Conors absolute control.

People keep talking about him picking and choosing fights. Look at the last 3 fights he actually "picked". Jose Aldo the P4P number 1. RDA, the consensus best lightweight of the last 5 years. Eddie Alvarez, apparently too big, too strong and too good a wrestler.

The Nate Diaz thing was never a pick and never a choice, it was an injury detour.

A man seeking out Aldo, RDA and Alvarez is not a man ducking anybody, not a man looking for easy fights or to pad his record.

This narrative of "he's ducking Frankie, ducking Jose, ducking Max, ducking Khabib" has to end. Whether he wins or loses is a whole other matter but Conor constantly picks out the absolute hardest fight open to him. None of us would be surprised if he fights Woodley next either, whatever your opinion of how that fight goes.

Meh. There's a reality in play here: For a great many people, there is literally NOTHING Conor can do to earn your praise, respect or admiration. He'll always be a jumped-up, new-money kid from Crumlin getting "special treatment" from the UFC.

Sad.

BOHtox · 17-11-2016 05:29PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

BJ Penn got a title shot at Welterweight after only 2 fights at that weight class and he was 1-1 in those 2 fights at WW.

Randy Couture got an Interim title fight at Light Heavyweight in his very first appearance in the weight class.

Your narrative of Conor being some special case because he talks a lot of trash and it's not a "sport" is BS.

If it was good enough for Penn and Couture then it's sure as hell good enough for Conor, who is 10 times the star either of those guys ever were in their prime.

As for "sports entertainment" - That's not up to Conor. That's up to WME/IMG. They bought the thing for $4.2 billion. If they want to be a legitimate sport the FIRST thing they need to do is implement an actual ranking system that doesn't rely on journalists sitting at home in their boxers eating cheetos.

If they want to be a sport then cut out the nonsense where Lorenz Larkin for weeks after destroying Magny was ranked below Magny. Cut out the nonsense where Manuwa for a week was still ranked below OSP who he merked. Cut out the crap where Gastelum has slipped 3 spots in the rankings for missing weight, despite the 3 guys below him not even fighting. Gastelum is now below Hendricks who he literally beat in his last fight.

None of that is in Conors absolute control.

People keep talking about him picking and choosing fights. Look at the last 3 fights he actually "picked". Jose Aldo the P4P number 1. RDA, the consensus best lightweight of the last 5 years. Eddie Alvarez, apparently too big, too strong and too good a wrestler.

The Nate Diaz thing was never a pick and never a choice, it was an injury detour.

A man seeking out Aldo, RDA and Alvarez is not a man ducking anybody, not a man looking for easy fights or to pad his record.

This narrative of "he's ducking Frankie, ducking Jose, ducking Max, ducking Khabib" has to end. Whether he wins or loses is a whole other matter but Conor constantly picks out the absolute hardest fight open to him. None of us would be surprised if he fights Woodley next either, whatever your opinion of how that fight goes.

Meh. There's a reality in play here: For a great many people, there is literally NOTHING Conor can do to earn your praise, respect or admiration. He'll always be a jumped-up, new-money kid from Crumlin getting "special treatment" from the UFC.

Sad.

Edgar had two loses in a row at LW and then fought Aldo for the FW title as well.

Easy Rod · 17-11-2016 05:35PM

winston82 wrote: »

Then you're not understanding it properly. It's ok.

Do you find a lot of people struggle to understand what's going on in your mind? Is this a regular occurrence? If so, you may need to look internally to resolve the root of the issue, best of luck.

GerryDerpy · 17-11-2016 05:37PM

winston82 wrote: »

It wasn't under the same conditions though. Diaz was out of shape. Diaz was also a number 5 lightweight and probably a number 15 ranked welterweight.

All that is well and good if you are not holding a title. He was. He chose not to take tithe defence. In fairness to Aldo, Cormier, Mighty Mouse, Jones, Couture, Liddell.... Defending their titles was the priority. That's what cemented their champion status.

Diaz was out of shape for the rematch? Snigger.

winston82 · 17-11-2016 05:51PM

Easy Rod wrote: »

Do you find a lot of people struggle to understand what's going on in your mind? Is this a regular occurrence? If so, you may need to look internally to resolve the root of the issue, best of luck.

Just life long Mcgregor fans. Everyone else seems to think more rationally.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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