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UFC 205: Alvarez v McGregor (Event Discussion) - FAQ's in OP

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Alvarez via Submission
    everlast75 wrote: »
    he would as a good heel!

    Trump will have him deported any day now anyways :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭maximoose


    Eddie just posted a very humble congratulation message
    Congrats to Connor and his camp on an amazing accomplishment , these guys continue to deliver ,hats off to you fellas . As for my performance , the only thing I can honestly say was I ****ing blew it ... I did nothing I trained , I did the complete opposite of what we planned on a daily basis for 10 weeks . To sum up our plan in a sentence it was "Go left and mostly wrestle " instead I circled into his left hand and mostly boxed .

    Fighting the way I did was a for sure death sentence and the result was fitting . I say it all the time, there is really small margin for error at this level and I paid for my mistakes . I managed to make it to the biggest stage and audience in my long career and ****ed it all up when I arrived , my heart sincerely hurts and when I dwell on it I fill up with regret and anger . If there was a list of what not to do against an Opponent of this nature I did them all on Saturday . I am disappointed in myself and this is not a reflection of my coaches , training Partners , and the endless hours of training I commit to this sport . Every Time I get into the cage I negotiate being vulnerable and possibly embarrassed against the opportunity to do something great and Grow more . I always choose the latter regardless of the uncomfortability and anxiety it brings to me , I think this choice is the only reason I ever succeeded in the first place .

    I thought in my head at least making a lot of money would make me happy but I am having a lot of trouble enjoying myself regardless of the check thats going to be written , I am very uneasy and discontent for the most part . I am lucky to have my wife and my child at a time like this to help me laugh and smile and let me know everything's gonna be all right , they are my saving Grace , without them I am a shell of a man . Besides the outcome I thoroughly enjoyed fight week and the lead up , it was a lot fun . I have never defined myself off one win and I'll never define myself off one loss ,I simply had a bad night .. I'll have the opportunity again to have a good one ,, and I'll make the Walk to see what I got Everytime . Thanx for listening -EA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    McGregor via Decision
    Classy from Eddie.

    Always intrigues me to hear the a fighters self analysis after a loss. I know it was mentioned on here earlier but does he really think he just had poor execution of his game plan? Surely he must realise that he was forced into going against his gameplan. He tried and failed to wrestle. He boxed because he was forced to box. Every time he tried not to, he got cracked on the chin.

    Also, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's capable of making the necessary adjustments within a fight he is losing.

    Either way, an interesting read.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Alvarez via Submission


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    Classy from Eddie.

    Always intrigues me to hear the a fighters self analysis after a loss. I know it was mentioned on here earlier but does he really think he just had poor execution of his game plan? Surely he must realise that he was forced into going against his gameplan. He tried and failed to wrestle. He boxed because he was forced to box. Every time he tried not to, he got cracked on the chin.

    Also, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's capable of making the necessary adjustments within a fight he is losing.

    Either way, an interesting read.

    yes I agree, I like Eddie and there were hints of both fighters breaking the act and actually liking each other during fight week. An example would be that describe your opponent in one word crack, that was funny. I do think though, the oul I deviated from the plan is a weak excuse. Shoe on the other foot from mecgregor, they;d be saying, you just got beat, exposed, shown up as a fraud, etc etc ad nauseum.

    guess he didn't get to silence all the Irish fans after all. He's still a nice guy though, so is mendes and faber. I see them meeting at midnight wearing small trench coats in underground parks, paying officials, to smite this irish thorn in our sides.....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    McGregor via Decision
    rusty cole wrote:
    guess he didn't get to silence all the Irish fans after all. He's still a nice guy though, so is mendes and faber. I see them meeting at midnight wearing small trench coats in underground parks, paying officials, to smite this irish thorn in our sides.....

    I think the whole "silence the Irish fans" was him creating some buzz. Fair play to him. Nice to see someone having a bit of banter with Conor and the fans.

    One thing I will say is most of these guys that Conor has fought seem to get a lot of respect from the Irish fans - Max, Diego, Mendes, Poirier all seem to be fairly well received. The exception being Aldo. Not sure about Diaz. Too soon to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    McGregor via Decision
    I think the whole "silence the Irish fans" was him creating some buzz. Fair play to him. Nice to see someone having a bit of banter with Conor and the fans.

    One thing I will say is most of these guys that Conor has fought seem to get a lot of respect from the Irish fans - Max, Diego, Mendes, Poirier all seem to be fairly well received. The exception being Aldo. Not sure about Diaz. Too soon to say.

    Ah I'd say most Irish give Diaz the respect he deserves. Bit of panto is all it is really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    McGregor via Decision
    Depp wrote: »
    all this talk of scorecards, have the 1st round scores from McGregor-Alves appeared anywhere? surely that many knockdowns is a 10-8?

    Big John had this to say about it.


    https://twitter.com/JohnMcCarthyMMA/status/798199801972019200


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    McGregor via Decision
    SevereMMA wrote: »
    Lads

    I (Graeme) made my first appearance on the podcast today with Sean Sheehan to review UFC 205 and CW Unplugged, talk UFC Belfast, fan questions and more

    http://severemma.com/2016/11/severe-mma-podcast-episode-93/

    Constructive criticism is welcome, and I know this is boards so maybe try focus on the constructive part :D haha

    the mystical graeme! I was almost starting to think the lads made ya up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    I think the whole "silence the Irish fans" was him creating some buzz. Fair play to him. Nice to see someone having a bit of banter with Conor and the fans.

    One thing I will say is most of these guys that Conor has fought seem to get a lot of respect from the Irish fans - Max, Diego, Mendes, Poirier all seem to be fairly well received. The exception being Aldo. Not sure about Diaz. Too soon to say.

    Why not he's half Irish......on the Eddie side


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    McGregor via Decision
    McGregor should have knocked him out with three punches, three minutes and thirty three seconds into round three


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    McGregor via Decision
    DeVore wrote: »

    Conor has his biggest fight yet ahead of him if he thinks they are just going to hand over shares in the UFC... they may do some kind of "employee share options deal" but they aren't going to just hand out equity to every champion who holds them to ransom.

    Fundamentally it depends on what the UFC wants to be.

    Do they want to be an elite sport with the long-term aim of competing with the NBA, MLB and NFL in North America? If yes, then they 100% can't give him a share in the company. It's a complete conflict of interest to have a fighter who is also a part owner. There's already the perception that Conor picks and chooses his fights and gets favourable treatment (more or less true) - but it's still just a perception. If they actually give him an ownership stake then it's no longer a perception, it becomes a fact.

    Put it another way, if Andy Murray was somehow able to be a part owner of the All England Lawn, Tennis and Croquet Club (who decide the seedings for Wimbledon) then there's an appearance of unfairness. In theory, there'd be nothing to stop them seeding Andy at 2, despite a world ranking of 4. They can still do that right now and have in the past, but it's only a perception of favourable treatment.

    If they want to be sports-entertainment (like WWE) then sure give him equity.
    Classy from Eddie.

    Always intrigues me to hear the a fighters self analysis after a loss. I know it was mentioned on here earlier but does he really think he just had poor execution of his game plan? Surely he must realise that he was forced into going against his gameplan.

    A fighter must blame themselves for a loss. To compete at the highest level requires enormous self-belief. If you blame yourself then you give yourself a lot of things to fix, to work on and improve on.

    The truth is this - he's 100% right.

    Circling towards Conors left hand is a mistake. Not trying to chain-wrestle was a mistake.

    Would he have won if he executed his game plan? Probably not. The result would (likely) have been the same. Conor has showed time and again he can throw his left with deadly effect when people circle away from his power hand.

    Eddie can learn a lot from this loss - just as Conor learned a lot from the Diaz loss. Fighting is so unpredictable. 11 months ago RDA was being talked of as a beast. People on here ridiculed the idea of Conor beating him. Now, he's 1 or 2 losses away from retirement.

    It's all up to him what way his career goes now. Blaming himself gives him the opportunity to regain control. The minute he accepts Conor is simply far better than him is the minute he should retire. You must believe you're the best and defeats are down to things you did badly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Eddie is a class act, but I don't think it was just the game plan. Circling away from Conor's left isn't necessarily the key, a lot of Conor's left hand KO's are when he backs you up and you're moving away from his left (see Brandao and Mendes KO). That's not my good analysis fwiw, it's something Dan Hardy picked up. Also, he did try to wrestle but he was unsuccessful. I remember 3 attempts that were all stuffed easily. One thing he could have done more is leg kicks, he kicks hard! Nearly knocked Conor over early on. But that's easier said than done with Conor's elusive movement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Anyone else disappointed in Wonderboy slightly? Really thought he would hurt Woodley more considering there was only 1 take down he had 4 rounds to get something off and nothing significant rung Woodleys bell.

    I was, expected a bit more. But I can see why he was hesitant after the 1st round.

    Why doesn't Woodley wrestle more though? He clearly has strong takedowns, he took down and dominated in the first round but didn't attempt any more in the fight. Didn't attempt any in his previous few fights either. Not the most intelligent fighter imo, he's very one dimensional with that right hand, he could at least vary it with some wrestling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    I think the equity demand is simply a powerplay for a better contract.

    Pretty sure the champion clause adds a fight to your contract as long as you have a belt so he really cant demand anything. IT's why couture never fought fedor back in the day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,764 ✭✭✭ASOT


    McGregor via Decision
    Pretty sure the champion clause adds a fight to your contract as long as you have a belt so he really cant demand anything. IT's why couture never fought fedor back in the day

    Realistically he can demand whatever he wants the ufc need him more than he needs them; he can make his money elsehere. The UFC have **** all draws left and have a massive 4 billon hole to get out of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    McGregor via Submission
    Pretty sure the champion clause adds a fight to your contract as long as you have a belt so he really cant demand anything. IT's why couture never fought fedor back in the day

    Of course he can. With all due respect Couture doesn't come close to Conor in what he brings the company in.

    It's all well and good having fights on your contract, but they can't force you to fight. Conor is coming of a $40m year so he can afford to sit on the sidelines and not take fights if the UFC are offering the same terms.

    After 3 or 4 consecutive PPV's that do less than 500k it will affect their bottom line.

    I don't really think it will come to that. I think they'll offer him something, maybe less than he wants but enough to keep him sweet. I think it'll most likely be a bigger cut of PPV's. A bigger cut gives him more incentive to promote so it could help them long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    maximoose wrote: »

    Classy for the first paragraph maybe, but to me that just reads as 'I lost the fight, Conor didn't win it'.

    Seems a bit sore. Understandable - but maybe the reason such an experienced fighter didn't follow a simple game plan such as circling LEFT and not RIGHT is because you were shaken by a much superior fighter in the opening moment of the match Eddie?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    ASOT wrote: »
    Realistically he can demand whatever he wants the ufc need him more than he needs them; he can make his money elsehere. The UFC have **** all draws left and have a massive 4 billon hole to get out of.

    He could make money elsewhere but nowhere near as much as he could by staying in the UFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭c0rk3r


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giraz1DNXOY

    Wonderfullife on boards getting a shout out at 7-ish minute mark


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    McGregor via Decision
    c0rk3r wrote:
    Wonderfullife on boards getting a shout out at 7-ish minute mark

    Just realised he gave a shout out to wonderlife....not wonderfullife. ...must've been some other Boardsie ;););)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Aaaaand... there it is. The mysterious "I somehow didn't implement my game plan" head-scratch. :)

    Eddie seems alright though, fair dues to him etc but I think its short-sighted of them all to think they just suddenly forgot their gameplan...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    McGregor via Decision
    DeVore wrote:
    Eddie seems alright though, fair dues to him etc but I think its short-sighted of them all to think they just suddenly forgot their gameplan...

    I think it's a form of self preservation. Easier to say I didn't implement my gameplan than admit the guy is just better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    McGregor via Decision
    Just realised he gave a shout out to wonderlife....not wonderfullife. ...must've been some other Boardsie ;););)

    Wonderlife does have a nice ring to it though.

    I'll pledge €10 to the SSF if the name change is forthcoming :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,764 ✭✭✭ASOT


    McGregor via Decision
    CatFromHue wrote: »
    He could make money elsewhere but nowhere near as much as he could by staying in the UFC.

    100% thats why he will demand more money and they will pay it; again without him there earning potential plummets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    The reason Eddie didn't implement his gameplan is (IMO) mainly because Conor absolutely got into his head and Eddie went in wanting to KO him stiff.

    Walking out of the press conference, barely able to string a sentence together at the ceremonial weigh-ins, certainly not things you'd associate with Eddie but he has never faced the type of tactics McGregor threw at him pre-fight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Zymurgist


    Wen is the card available on fightpass?

    It's still showing a blacked out for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭SevereMMA


    Zymurgist wrote: »
    Wen is the card available on fightpass?

    It's still showing a blacked out for me

    https://www.ufc.tv/video/ufc-205-replay-uk-ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭califano


    Alvarez via Decision
    DeVore wrote: »
    Aaaaand... there it is. The mysterious "I somehow didn't implement my game plan" head-scratch. :)

    Eddie seems alright though, fair dues to him etc but I think its short-sighted of them all to think they just suddenly forgot their gameplan...

    Deep down I don't think they really think that. They really know what you are highlighting but when you're still a player in a macho individual sport you cant be conceding by admitting your game plan was stymied by the opponents superiority. Because what if there is a rematch down the line, all that sh!t will just be thrown back in your face. Actually even forgot a rematch, just to bow down with an admittal like that it makes yourself and others think why are you still in the division if you are admitting there are people better than you after as much as admitting you can never reach the top again(or in the first place for others).

    I think once fighters retire they are way more forthright about their weaknesses and their past losing fights because it doesn't really matter any more. Nobody including yourself cares now you're out and your ego has nothing more to prove anymore.

    You hear these type of reasoning/excuses in all individual sports tennis being an good example. However turn the tables and lets say a Federer type losing to a 145th ranked player in a minor tournament will occasionally admit he was outplayed, out served, out thought etc because they can afford to be magnanimous without losing face because they dont have anything to prove against such a minor player in a non entity event. But how can the 145th player keep justifying to himself to stay competing on the circuit and hoping to climb the rankings if hes openly admitting every time he loses to a superior player that he was stopped from imposing his game because the other guy was effectively too good.

    A similar non sporting comparison to Alvarez public reasoning is the loaders reaction after being let go in the latest episode of Gold Rush!. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    McGregor via Decision
    Eddie's Gameplan went out of the window the second the first punch landed, his new gameplan was to avoid getting hit, same as most others fighters conor's faced


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