2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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Nody wrote: »

And significant parts of the Security officials are considering resigning over Trump telling to to perform illegal acts of torture along with 50 National security and foreign policy officials from GOP administrations declares Trump would become the most reckless president in USA's history inc. the head of CIA, NSA etc. So unlike your link of pilots this is his own party and actual department heads of the CIA, NSA etc. along with people who're actually have to perform the activities telling you that he's not fit.

If people think torture to gain information isn't happening or hasn't happened in previous administrations I think those people aren't telling the truth or are naive. He was stupid to say something like that publicly and obviously I won't condone what he said. I don't condone torture either but the circumstances of war dictate the tactics used.

The GOP have been against Trump from day one long before he got the nomination. The US have made a complete mess of their own doing in the middle east, especially so under the previous Republican administration so I don't think anyone connected to the Bush era should be overly proud about the lies told, the mass failure abroad and the negligence of their homeland security. Failures which have continued into the Obama administration and to the present day. Mistakes have been made constantly with foreign policy and to expect Trump to be perfect is imo somewhat hypocritical.

Those fears for the most part I can agree are genuine, he is clearly inexperienced with the day to day operations he'll have to undertake as POTUS regarding issues such as foreign policy. My hope is that he surrounds himself with highly experienced generals and advisers to help ease that transition.

First Up wrote: »

How has NAFTA failed?

There's a full report on it's failings here

http://www.citizen.org/documents/NAFTA-at-20.pdf

Additional information here, which is somewhat easier to follow and understand

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html

Amerika wrote: »

Remember a few short weeks ago when the Left was lecturing us about Trump’s slogan ‘Make America Great Again,' and that America was already great? Remember a few short weeks ago then the Left was warning us that Trump’s supporters would riot in the streets, commit arson, and engage in violent assaults if he lost? Remember when Left was complaining of Trump’s comments on a rigged elections and how that view was counter to our faith in democracy?

So, what happened in a few short weeks?

(Oh, yeah, the mainstream media and polls were all wrong a few short weeks ago.)

Remember a few weeks ago when this poster was telling us that Obamacare was a complete failure on every level? Remember when this poster was telling us about pointing out positives in it that, "you can put lipstick on pig, but it’s still a pig."? Remember when this poster was saying it was 'just "our horrible VA system on steroids"? Remember when this poster was saying "a single-payer healthcare will fail in the US just as badly as ObamaCare"? Remember when this poster was saying "anyone with any common sense would have know it couldn’t work for the rest of the nation"?

Well something must have changed because...

Amerika wrote: »

20Cent wrote: »

He's already backing down on policies. He's keeping Obamacare. A week ago ye hated it and it was the worst thing ever. Lol.

There are a very few good aspects to it like not being turned down or having your insurance cancelled. If Trump can't amend it and overhaul it to something good he will repeal and replace it.

So, what happened in a few short weeks?

(Oh, yeah, someone with an R beside their name is not getting rid of it. This is what happens when you put value a political party more than you value your own country).

Mod edit:

Billy86 banned for 24 hours for trolling. You've been warned repeatedly to attack the post not the poster. And the point you wish to make about Trump's potential volte face on Obamacare could easily have been made civilly, instead of the way you did it here, which is just trolling.

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Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I believe he can significantly improve economic growth by implementing strategies like he's talked about e.g. lowering corporate tax and imposing tariffs on incoming trade, renegotiating failed deals like NAFTA.

On the illegal immigrants side I think he will immediately deport all illegals who've committed crimes or are short term illegals, and allow families who've been in the country for a long period of time and haven't committed crimes to stay and get registered legally. This will work out for everyone once the border is secured. It's worked reducing immigrants by 95% in other countries with a combination of a wall, fences and added border security staff.

Most of all I want to see corruption removed from office, and the law of the land applied to everyone equally. I can't check right if more cabinet positions have been filled but Trey Gowdy has been pouted as AG and I think it would be a great choice. I want to see him implement an ID system to prevent voter fraud.

I'd like see how he's mentions every Rally the veterans taken care of. The figure of 20+ vets killing themselves everyday is disgusting. One of the biggest question marks hanging over him is what is he going to do about ISIS. Nobody knows the answer to that, whether he'll work with Russia in some capacity or not. Either way it's going to be dirty and ultimately he may
well be judged on it.

The problem there is that protectionist policies do not support growth at all though, as China for example have been quick to point out that they will simply respond in kind. On one hand, the US has more bargaining power but on the other, China doesn't need to worry so much about things like unhappy voters and legitimate opposition. Likewise, lowering corporate tax doesn't necessarily lead to growth if not handled correctly and can have the opposite effect - companies have a history of just pocketing the extra money, and in conjunction with the protectionist policies if it were to happen and receive the backlash, they (the multinationals etc) would likely not want to get involved in any such trade war in any way.

It also means less money passing through government, which while something a lot of people may like also means that there would be less resources available to implement things like the wall, task forces for illegal immigrants (both deporting them and registering those without criminal records - 11mn is a huge number to sift through), etc.

In terms of corruption moving from office, his move to immediately place in corporate lobbyists and blatant nepotism should surely be seen as a bit of a slap in the face then, no? Voter fraud has been shown to be an almost nonexistent issue, and diverting funds to that again creates a bigger problem of where the money comes from when it could be going on something more worthwhile in an 'either/or' situation.

I do agree that the veterans situation is truly sad, but saying that it is dreadful does not offer a solution - hopefully he would put efforts towards it, but I don't recall him outlining any sort of a plan. And agreed that the ISIS situation always was, and always is going to be sticky. That said, given his remarks about Obama/Clinton and ISIS, he has not left himself much of any room for sympathy there.

Credit to you for answering by the way.

oscarBravo wrote: »

Basically, what you're saying is that he should have public and private positions on some things?

If Trump blurts out something he shouldn't have said I have no problem calling it stupid.

Lying about a past event for sympathy votes continuously over time is different, and something much more sinister. I'll give you a few examples


HRC lying for years about being under sniper fire in Bosnia after her plane landed.

HRC lying to families of Benghazi, then calling them liars on national TV.

Your point about public and private positions doesn't fall into Trump blurting out something stupid now and again, it ties in more with political correctness and his lack of training and aptness of being a public political figure.

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