2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

ECO_Mental · 12-11-2016 09:04PM

Jawgap wrote: »

.....which is why I think this is spot on......

You could see it in his face in that meeting with Obama. He did not want to be there

he has no idea what a bubble he will have to live in. People watching him every single second. Going to endless meetings day after day, entertaining obscure 3rd world leaders. The secret service are going to make his life hell. He won't grabbing young ones by the P***y any more either

alastair · 12-11-2016 09:07PM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

You could see it in his face in that meeting with Obama. He did not want to be there he has no idea what a bubble he will have to live in. People watching him every single second. Going to endless meetings day after day, entertaining obscure 3rd world leaders. The secret service are going to make his life hell. He won't grabbing young ones by the P***y any more either

Could all we'll be true, but for the last point. Long tradition of presidents finding the time for precisely that.

RobbingBandit · 12-11-2016 09:15PM

I think Trumps blatant disregard for GOP protocols is what caused such a divide in the party backing him on a united front. Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani are two party members linked to Trump in the last few days as potential high ranking members of his staff.

alastair · 12-11-2016 09:20PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I think Trumps blatant disregard for GOP protocols is what caused such a divide in the party backing him on a united front. Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani are two party members linked to Trump in the last few days as potential high ranking members of his staff.

Scrapings of the barrel there tbh. Rudy used up his 9/11 credit a long time back, and Palin never had any to begin with. If he does go that route it'll give SNL a nice boost for four years all the same.

26000 Elephants · 12-11-2016 09:44PM

I lived in NY during his mayoral stint and liked him at the time. But you have to wonder about a guy who dumps his wife via press conference. And then has the temerity to denounce HRC for marriage fidelity.

20Cent · 12-11-2016 09:47PM

26000 Elephants wrote: »

I lived in NY during his mayoral stint and liked him at the time. But you have to wonder about a guy who dumps his wife via press conference. And then has the temerity to denounce HRC for marriage fidelity.

Was this his he cousin/wife or a different one?

Yes he married his cousin

m1ck007 · 12-11-2016 09:50PM

Whats all this 'not my president nonsense all about'? If Hilary got elected and the republicans protested they would be branded hooligans

26000 Elephants · 12-11-2016 09:53PM

20Cent wrote: »

Was this his he cousin/wife or a different one?

Yes he married his cousin

Wow. Didnt know that. Hanover or his press secretary? :eek:

Either way it derailed his attempt to get on the republican ticket for NY senator. A race ultimately won by HRC. I think he is still sore.

Edit: Apparently it was his first wife, before Donna Hanover. Who Knew?

mrkiscool2 · 12-11-2016 09:55PM

m1ck007 wrote: »

Whats all this 'not my president nonsense all about'? If Hilary got elected and the republicans protested they would be branded hooligans

Republicans did that when Obama got elected to be fair. I don't agree with it but sure that is the way politics is!

Jimmy Garlic · 12-11-2016 10:17PM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

He won't grabbing young ones by the P***y any more either

Grab em by the pussy is a New York turn of phrase, not a literal statement.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-11-2016 10:53PM

Hate how Trump supports gloat and provoke the losing side. It was never about that, there was no right or wrong. They're all American.

Hillary lost
NH
by 2528 votes

MICH
by 11837

PA
by 68236

It looks a landslide victory for Trump in Electoral Votes, but the Democrats who thought they would take the higher ground and not vote for Hillary are today regretting their decision. The margin is so small in terms of votes.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/gvpBD
All she needed

alastair · 13-11-2016 12:12AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Grab em by the pussy is a New York turn of phrase, not a literal statement.

Oh please. It's really not. It was a literal boast.

ECO_Mental · 13-11-2016 12:17AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Grab em by the pussy is a New York turn of phrase, not a literal statement.

I don't know why I am wasting my time with this trolling, so what you are saying its that ........ Ah forget it....I'm out.. I'm sick of the crap excuses do you actually want me to believe this s**t. There you go, you won you got me mad

daithi7 · 13-11-2016 01:05AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hate how Trump supports gloat and provoke the losing side. It was never about that, there was no right or wrong. They're all American.

Hillary lost
NH
by 2528 votes

MICH
by 11837

PA
by 68236

It looks a landslide victory for Trump in Electoral Votes, but the Democrats who thought they would take the higher ground and not vote for Hillary are today regretting their decision. The margin is so small in terms of votes.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/gvpBD
All she needed

Yeah, tiny margins in huge electorates in fairness. She lost by a whisker, but she lost.

Terry Prone, , who has advised leading Irish Politicians & Political parties for over 40 years now and is ultra savvy, was on the radio earlier today, she made the interesting observation that in every campaign that she ever saw where a party definitely' knew' they were going to win, that every one those campaigns lost. With no exceptions.

So to add to your point, I think the HRC campaign really believed they were going to win 3-4 weeks out, and they convinced everyone that they were going to do so, which is a fatal flaw as it leads to all sorts of complacent voting practices, etc And as the savvy Prone points out that always ends in electoral failure.

P.s. I have to wonder how many of the current protestors now giving out about the Trump election win actually voted!?
I mean wouldn't it have been just easier to vote!?

m1ck007 · 13-11-2016 04:53AM

Yea their protest should have been to vote for clinton but they didnt, so they should accept the majority decision that is to appoint trump as president which Seems to be forgotton

eire4 · 13-11-2016 05:22AM

daithi7 wrote: »

Yeah, tiny margins in huge electorates in fairness. She lost by a whisker, but she lost.

Terry Prone, , who has advised leading Irish Politicians & Political parties for over 40 years now and is ultra savvy, was on the radio earlier today, she made the interesting observation that in every campaign that she ever saw where a party definitely' knew' they were going to win, that every one those campaigns lost. With no exceptions.

So to add to your point, I think the HRC campaign really believed they were going to win 3-4 weeks out, and they convinced everyone that they were going to do so, which is a fatal flaw as it leads to all sorts of complacent voting practices, etc And as the savvy Prone points out that always ends in electoral failure.

P.s. I have to wonder how many of the current protestors now giving out about the Trump election win actually voted!?
I mean wouldn't it have been just easier to vote!?

Indeed tiny margins. Again though election turnout was pathetic. 53% was the turnout. But nobody is talking about that again. I am sure there are various reasons why close to half of Americans did not bother to vote but right up there near the top if not the top of the list is the fact that Washington DC is a corrupt place where work is done on behalf of the wealthy and major corporations and the vast majority of Americans are just irrelevant to a large extent and that is what so many Americans think and why so many have simply checked out of a broken system that offers them next to nothing.

First Up · 13-11-2016 10:38AM

RobertKK wrote:

President-elect Trump being such an unreasonable person has said he is ready to compromise on Obamacare after his talks with President Obama.

President elect Trump isn't doing any compromising because he is so inclined. He is just being exposed to reality.

First Up · 13-11-2016 10:39AM

RobertKK wrote:

President-elect Trump being such an unreasonable person has said he is ready to compromise on Obamacare after his talks with President Obama.

President elect Trump isn't doing any compromising because he is so inclined. He is just being exposed to reality.

fran17 · 13-11-2016 12:00PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Grab em by the pussy is a New York turn of phrase, not a literal statement.

Precisely,very similar to the FHRITP craze of late.

Suryavarman · 13-11-2016 12:05PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

I haven't read all the thread, but one thing I want to say the attacks on Johnson and Stein are deeply unfair, if I was American I simply would not have voted if it was only HC and DT on the ballot. Clinton was not entitled to those voters, she had to earn them and despite a very pro media, huge money and infrastructure behind her and a LOL opponent she absolutely failed.

The story of this defeat also needs to focus more on how awful HC was as a candidate rather than just blaming sexism, racism and 3rd party candidates.

Anyhow with Johnson while he was liberal socially, he still would have drawn plenty of republican supporters as plenty of conservative magazines etc chose to endorse him.

An example of this was Ethan Coen ranting on the NY Times. :pac:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/sunday/2016-election-thank-you-notes.html

No major party nominee has ever been opposed to the values supposedly supported by the Libertarian and Green Parties as Donald Trump is.

If the so-called libertarians that voted for Gary Johnson actually cared about freedom they would have voted for Clinton in order to stop Donald Trump from winning as that was the only possible way to beat him. It shouldn't be a surprise that they didn't do that as the libertarian movement is more about advancing white male privilege as opposed to expanding freedom.

If the people that voted for Jill Stein actually cared about protecting and expanding every progressive and environmental protection policy enacted in the last 8 years then they would have voted for Clinton instead of electing the man that vows to undo every last one of them. It seems to be common among lefties to use their vote to signal how virtuous they are as opposed to advance the policies they support though.

Suryavarman · 13-11-2016 12:05PM

eire4 wrote: »

Indeed tiny margins. Again though election turnout was pathetic. 53% was the turnout. But nobody is talking about that again. I am sure there are various reasons why close to half of Americans did not bother to vote but right up there near the top if not the top of the list is the fact that Washington DC is a corrupt place where work is done on behalf of the wealthy and major corporations and the vast majority of Americans are just irrelevant to a large extent and that is what so many Americans think and why so many have simply checked out of a broken system that offers them next to nothing.

People didn't vote because corporations wouldn't leave them? Yeah, that makes sense.

Count Dooku · 13-11-2016 12:11PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hate how Trump supports gloat and provoke the losing side.

up to 9/11 it was HRC supporters who were laughing all day by posting rubbish from 538

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It was never about that, there was no right or wrong. They're all American.

Hillary lost
NH
by 2528 votes

MICH
by 11837

PA
by 68236

It looks a landslide victory for Trump in Electoral Votes, but the Democrats who thought they would take the higher ground and not vote for Hillary are today regretting their decision. The margin is so small in terms of votes.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/gvpBD
All she needed

taking in account how much money have been poured into her campaign and that nearly all media supported her - I would consider it as massive defeat

Jawgap · 13-11-2016 12:20PM

This is what a drained swamp looks like.

Not terribly shocking or surprising given his campaign rhetoric......and even in being tokenistic, he couldn't resist a bit of nepotism.....

https://twitter.com/georgeaylett/status/797531138403270656

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/797497587398017026

Christy42 · 13-11-2016 12:39PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-us-election-win-tweets-old-ironic-a7410906.html

I am curious as to why Donald no longer supports people marching to show their displeasure at an election result. Just can't figure it out.

Count Dooku · 13-11-2016 12:43PM

Jawgap wrote: »

This is what a drained swamp looks like.

Not terribly shocking or surprising given his campaign rhetoric......and even in being tokenistic, he couldn't resist a bit of nepotism.....

https://twitter.com/georgeaylett/status/797531138403270656

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/797497587398017026

Just direct result that GOP left Trump on his own

B0jangles · 13-11-2016 12:53PM

Remember back in September Trump's Washington policy planning team quit because they didn't get paid and no-one in the campaign team was interested in what they were doing?

The Trump campaign built a large policy shop in Washington that has now largely melted away because of neglect, mismanagement and promises of pay that were never honored. Many of the team’s former members say the campaign leadership never took the Washington office seriously and let it wither away after squeezing it dry.

Donald Trump often brags about having experts and senior former officials advising him. Wednesday night in a forum on national security, he said, “We have admirals, we have generals, we have colonels. We have a lot of people that I respect.” It’s true that Trump is getting high-level policy advice on a regular basis from senior experts such as Rudy Giuliani and retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn. But Trump has never acknowledged the policy shop based in Washington that has been doing huge amounts of grunt work for months without recognition or compensation.

Since April, advisers never named in campaign press releases have been working in an Alexandria-based office, writing policy memos, organizing briefings, managing surrogates and placing op-eds. They put in long hours before and during the Republican National Convention to help the campaign look like a professional operation.

But in August, shortly after the convention, most of the policy shop’s most active staffers quit. Although they signed non-disclosure agreements, several of them told me on background that the Trump policy effort has been a mess from start to finish.

“It’s a complete disaster,” one disgruntled former adviser told me. “They use and abuse people. The policy office fell apart in August when the promised checks weren’t delivered.”

Three former members, all of whom quit in August, told me that as early as April they were promised financial compensation but were later told that they would have to work as volunteers. They say the leaders of the shop, Rick Dearborn and John Mashburn, told many staffers that money was on the way but then were unable to deliver. Dearborn is Sen. Jeff Sessions’s (R-Ala.) chief of staff, while Mashburn is the former chief of staff for Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C).

“I heard it from Dearborn, I heard it from Mashburn. It was understood that we would be paid. The campaign never discussed how much the pay would be. It was never in writing,” said one staffer, who quit last month. “There were some people who were treating it as a full-time job. I suspect that those people were quite astonished when the pay didn’t come through.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2016/09/08/inside-the-collapse-of-trumps-d-c-policy-shop/

Trump was not planning anything past the election, his team are now desparately trying to put together a policy plan that should have been completed months ago.

Even the new Trump transition website has large sections directly copy/pasted from a generic non-partisan group:

According to a Politico report, Trump’s transition website seems to have lifted some passages from the nonpartisan nonprofit the Center for Presidential Transition. The group is a project under the Partnership for Public Service, which was founded in 2001 to inspire and reward those who worked in the federal government.

At the bottom of Trump’s site GreatAgain.gov, appears a small note saying, “First Posted on Center for Presidential Transition.”

The citation might be enough to avoid any legal issues but it is a gray area in copyright law.

The first comes from a post “Help Wanted: 4,000 Presidential Appointments.” The text talks about a “chart below” — but there isn’t a chart. The Center’s website does have a graphic depicting positions that require Senate confirmation in the departments of Justice and State.

Another is from, “The Offices and Agencies Supporting the Transition,” which is the same page on the Center’s website. It even has a reference to “our own Center library” linking to the Center for Presidential Transition online resources page.

Both pages have a byline for the author on the Center’s website but that authorship is removed on Trump’s site.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-policy-portfolio-227919

They are so totally unprepared for this it'd be funny if it weren't so shameful.

B0jangles · 13-11-2016 01:07PM

Jawgap wrote: »

This is what a drained swamp looks like.

Not terribly shocking or surprising given his campaign rhetoric......and even in being tokenistic, he couldn't resist a bit of nepotism.....

https://twitter.com/georgeaylett/status/797531138403270656

https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/797497587398017026

A bit of nepotism?

A full 25% of his transition team are members of his family!

alastair · 13-11-2016 02:48PM

B0jangles wrote: »

A bit of nepotism?

A full 25% of his transition team are members of his family!

Great to see the era of political dynasty's being swept away. Drain that swamp etc.

Igotadose · 13-11-2016 04:31PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Grab em by the pussy is a New York turn of phrase, not a literal statement.

NYC born and raised. Never heard the phrase till Trump blurted it out.

My father his brothers my cousins all lifelong NYC'ers. My wife's family, too. And my mother's and all my uncles and cousins.

HS locker rooms, college in NYC. Never heard it. Heck, went to my fair share of go-go bars in my youth. Never heard it.

So, exactly what qualifies you to claim this? Other than, "I'm making things up because I can"

Dimwit.

Jawgap · 13-11-2016 05:35PM

Count Dooku wrote: »

Just direct result that GOP left Trump on his own

So it's the RNC's fault h that they are the only people available? Or he's engaging in 'business as usual' by appointing donors and early supporters to key positions?

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