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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #8372
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I would consider Guy Fawkes a Radical catholic...

    And yet, he's almost never referred to as such. It's almost as if his religion is objectively less important than the fact that he decided that mass murder was a useful way of achieving his political goals.


  • #8373
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    20Cent wrote: »
    Grand so what?

    How do you think the benefit to calling it radical Islam is?

    The most appropriate term to call them is Jihadists committed to suicide bombings & beheadings against non practicing Muslims. You see it in Gaza and Mosul. They are terrorists they hate our values and distort their own religion. For centuries beautiful heritage sites were untouched by Islamic leaders. Sunni, Shia and non religious lived side by side before we see this rise of Jihadism and sectarianism. Clearly these people are terrorists engaging in mass murder.


  • #8374
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    The most appropriate term to call them is Jihadists committed to suicide bombings & beheadings against non practicing Muslims. You see it in Gaza and Mosul. They are terrorists they hate our values and distort their own religion. For centuries beautiful heritage sites were untouched by Islamic leaders. Sunni, Shia and non religious lived side by side before we see this rise of Jihadism and sectarianism. Clearly these people are terrorists engaging in mass murder.

    Bit long isn't it? "Jihadists committed to suicide bombings & beheadings against non practicing Muslims"

    Most of the people they kill are other Muslims so why the "non practicing muslims" bit?


    Why not call them terrorists or by whatever group they belong to?


  • #8375
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    20Cent wrote: »
    Bit long isn't it? "Jihadists committed to suicide bombings & beheadings against non practicing Muslims"

    Most of the people they kill are other Muslims so why the "non practicing muslims" bit?


    Why not call them terrorists or by whatever group they belong to?

    No call them Jihadists the committed to suicide bombings and beheadings is the addendum.


  • #8376
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,651 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    And yet, he's almost never referred to as such. It's almost as if his religion is objectively less important than the fact that he decided that mass murder was a useful way of achieving his political goals.

    Really ?
    I have always considered the main theme of the gunpowder plot was that the plotters were Catholics and they were doing it because they were Catholics.

    But its historical obviously so its just ones interpretation of what they know about it.


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  • #8377
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    This response just typifies how the liberal wing got it so wrong this week.

    The inability to use certain language to describe something and the castigating of other who do use that language just baffels me.

    I'll help you out however, tell me what term you would use to describe the people who shot up Paris this night last year, or who bombed the Brussels airport, and I'll yell you that Trump has promised to keep America safe from them.

    I'll not use radical Islam again, but you have to come up with an alternative term to describe them, while maintaining the realty that these people believe that they are doing this in the name of Islam.

    How about terrorists? Works well, and has at least the benefit of identifying an actual problem. It really doesn't matter what the rational for the act is, the problem is the act itself.


  • #8378
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,651 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    alastair wrote: »
    How about terrorists? Works well, and has at least the benefit of identifying an actual problem. It really doesn't matter what the rational for the act is, the problem is the act itself.

    Great
    Trump is going to be tough on terrorists, so is that something positive from his platform ?


  • #8379
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Oh I very much agree we have to get a lot better at distinguishing between radical Muslims and the secularists who are being murdered by the followers of this sick warped ideology. Lets get this straight the literature that comes out of the Madrassas of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is causing the anti-Semitism in Arab lands and in Europe and America. People like you saying the Wahhabi Islamist fanaticism does not exist is just plain silly. Islam is full of sectarianism and the secularist are being totally ignored.

    Sorry to burst another bubble, but the world isn't divided between 'radical muslims' and 'secularists'. There's the usual range of belief within the faith, and plenty of devout followers who reject both secularism and Islamist violence. Just like any other faith tbh. Christianity is equally full of sectarianism, as a glance around this little island will confirm.


  • #8380
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Great
    Trump is going to be tough on terrorists, so is that something positive from his platform ?

    Again - depends what you mean by 'tough'. I'll stick my neck out and suggest torture and punishment murders of family members are probably the wrong shade of 'tough'. But then I doubt he's really thought much of his 'tough' talk through.


  • #8381
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Grubhub shares fell near 6% after that email controversy.


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  • #8382
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Grubhub shares fell near 6% after that email controversy.
    Buy some quick. Easiest 6% you'll ever make.


  • #8383
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Grubhub shares fell near 6% after that email controversy.

    Wow! Just goes to show that kneejerk difficulties with written comprehension are not that limited! Validation for ignorance is to be found in the markets!


  • #8384
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    aloyisious wrote: »
    There's infighting in the Trump camp about who's going to get what job. Chris Christie demoted to deputy of transition team, Mike Pence takes over as head of team. Rudy might be given Sec of State job. Don favours Mike Bannon as his Chief of Staff in W/House.

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjzy8nRzaHQAhWjJcAKHctmB9kQqQIIHzAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fdonald-trump-shuffles-transition-team-making-mike-pence-chairman-1478890592&usg=AFQjCNFr0duGiGEwqZUEIlgpUGxIBkjRbA

    How are his adult children both on the transition team and managing his businesses? When does the blind trust have to kick in?


  • #8385
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    alastair wrote: »
    Wow! Just goes to show that kneejerk difficulties with written comprehension are not that limited! Validation for ignorance is to be found in the markets!
    Meh! Markets are as skittish as a newly broken colt. They see something fluttering in the wind and shy away.

    Which is why I said it would be an easy 6%.

    They'll forget about it after a good night's sleep and in the morning, wonder why a company like that is so undervalued. :)


  • #8386
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Stheno wrote: »
    How are his adult children both on the transition team and managing his businesses? When does the blind trust have to kick in?

    Presumably it isn't an issue until post-transition. Though I see Ivanka's husband is being mooted as an appointee. I'm sure it'll all be up to the normal level of Trump enterprise legality and transparency.


  • #8387
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    President-elect Trump being such an unreasonable person has said he is ready to compromise on Obamacare after his talks with President Obama.


  • #8388
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Trump says Hillary was lovely when she called to concede, she said 'congratulations and well done', he said she couldn't have been nicer and it was tougher for her than if he had lost and had to ring Hillary and it would have been very difficult for him.
    He said he thanked her and told her she was a very strong competitor and very smart.
    Bill rang and said it was one of the greatest campaigns he had ever seen.
    He said he would consider ringing the Clintons for advice as they are a very talented family.


  • #8389
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,346 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Stheno wrote: »
    How are his adult children both on the transition team and managing his businesses? When does the blind trust have to kick in?

    Probably not till it's a bit closer to the swearing-in day. Re the kids, it keeps them safe from talking and from haters. Paul (I think it was) made the statement years ago to the media about Fox News and Republicans being stupid. Think of it as on-the-job training in a new line of work.


  • #8390
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Trump says Hillary was lovely when she called to concede, she said 'congratulations and well done', he said she couldn't have been nicer and it was tougher for her than if he had lost and had to ring Hillary and it would have been very difficult for him.
    He said he thanked her and told her she was a very strong competitor and very smart.
    Bill rang and said it was one of the greatest campaigns he had ever seen.
    He said he would consider ringing the Clintons for advice as they are a very talented family.

    A week ago he wanted to jail Hillary. Backtracking now.


  • #8391
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    20Cent wrote: »
    A week ago he wanted to jail Hillary. Backtracking now.

    Trump did to Hillary what he did to win the Republican primaries - attack, attack, attack his rivals then when no longer a threat he stops completely, look he had Ted Cruz speak at the convention...though that kinda backfired on Ted :pac:


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  • #8392
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    He might be just being nice until he actually gets past the inaugurations.

    I hear rumor that Trey Gowdy might be the new Attorney General.

    Now that would be very interesting for Hillary Clinton.


  • #8393
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,346 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    RobertKK wrote: »
    President-elect Trump being such an unreasonable person has said he is ready to compromise on Obamacare after his talks with President Obama.

    It might be an indicator that the plan he had to replace Obama-care when he took over may not be fit for purpose. The health insurance industry itself might not like some-one moving in and shutting down the lucrative business they have under Obama-care with the ability to up customers charges, which was one of the reasons voters told the TV crews they were voting Trump.

    Just in passing, is there much difference in the wording of the bills which were the basis of Obama-care and the other care plan of Obama's predecessor, and the schemes themselves? Would the earlier scheme have been hijacked as easily by the greedy industry companies? Is there any legislation whereby the companies can be pursued by Trump when he takes up office or will he be stymied by friends in congress?


  • #8394
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    President-elect Trump being such an unreasonable person has said he is ready to compromise on Obamacare after his talks with President Obama.

    I'm curious: was he "telling it like it is" when he promised to completely repeal the ACA on his first day in office, or when he decided that he'd keep it after all?

    For someone who tells it like it is, he seems awfully vague on what "it" is.


  • #8395
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    John Podesta is blaming Comey and the media for Hillary's loss.

    CNN are blaming Hillary for setting up the private email server.


  • #8396
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I'm curious: was he "telling it like it is" when he promised to completely repeal the ACA on his first day in office, or when he decided that he'd keep it after all?

    For someone who tells it like it is, he seems awfully vague on what "it" is.

    He said after talking to Obama that he wants to keep the law that people with pre-existing conditions are not excluded from health insurance and that children can remain on their parents plans until age 26.


  • #8397
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He said after talking to Obama that he wants to keep the law that people with pre-existing conditions are not excluded from health insurance and that children can remain on their parents plans until age 26.

    That's nice. Want to have a stab at answering the question?


  • #8398
    FISMA.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭FISMA.


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    For someone who tells it like it is, he seems awfully vague on what "it" is.

    Before anyone can say what "it" is, we first need to know what "is" is.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0


  • #8399
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    Buy some quick. Easiest 6% you'll ever make.
    alastair wrote: »
    Wow! Just goes to show that kneejerk difficulties with written comprehension are not that limited! Validation for ignorance is to be found in the markets!

    The CEO and CFO had sold $148 million worth of shares earlier this year so they seem to be telling shareholders to sell...


  • #8400
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He said after talking to Obama that he wants to keep the law that people with pre-existing conditions are not excluded from health insurance and that children can remain on their parents plans until age 26.

    It was answered.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    That's nice. Want to have a stab at answering the question?

    You never answered this from earlier:
    RobertKK wrote: »
    The sun is the main heater of the planet which in turn affects the climate. Humans are causing effects which are above what the sun does.
    Put it this way, which has a bigger effect on the climate of Earth- the sun dies and becomes a white dwarf, or if humans go the way of the dinosaurs?

    Are you going to say humans have a bigger effect than the sun?


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  • #8401
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,346 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Whatever about Don fulfilling his statement about Hillary, I don't reckon he'd try anything in the end. It'd end up in massive street protests making whats going on now seem like a kids party. Even the SC judges might feel inclined to offer opinions about illegality of actions based on political bias.


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