El Presidente Trump

gandalf · 11-11-2016 02:25AM

TheOven wrote: »

Unfortunately for them, that is what they are getting. The republicans having unchecked power often leads to recessions. They will be the first affected and the last to heal from it. They will turn on the government again but it will just give the democrats more problems to fix and then they will be annoyed that nothing has changed again and repeat.

A bit like FF Governments here in Ireland. They absolutely destroy the economy, it gets fixed by someone else and then they get voted in again to Rinse, Repeat!!!

My name is URL · 11-11-2016 02:31AM

TheOven wrote: »

If they want personal responsibility let them have it.

lol. Have you listened to any of the rhetoric from certain parts of his support base... especially those living on the rust belt?

Personal responsibility would mean not blaming everyone else for the position they find themselves in.

To them everything is somebody else's fault. The immigrants fault that America is a dangerous place. China's fault that there are no manufacturing jobs for them any more. Then they blame Obama for increasing spending on things like healthcare, which is to benefit those very people.

I doubt that many of them know what the word responsibility even means.

20Cent · 11-11-2016 02:37AM

20 million people losing their health insurance. People with pre existing conditions not being able to renew. The wall won't be built, wall st put in charge of the treasury, national debt skyrocketing, racial tensions, LGBT rights removed, net neutrality gone, abortion rights attacked, and a load of other stuff. Yay freedom.
They made their bed.

Widdershins · 11-11-2016 02:37AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Personal responsibility would mean not blaming everyone else for the position they find themselves in.

To them everything is somebody else's fault. ...

I doubt that many of them know what the word responsibility even means.

People who clearly want to work don't deserve that. Stating the facts of what happened to their businesses and industries is not ''blaming''. How on earth could they themselves be at fault? No wonder they voted for someone who doesn't take that attitude.

gandalf · 11-11-2016 02:41AM

Widdershins wrote: »

People who clearly want to work don't deserve that. Stating the facts of what happened to their businesses and industries is not ''blaming''. How on earth could they themselves be at fault? No wonder they voted for someone who doesn't take that attitude.

You mean someone who is a populist and in reality a fantasist?

Do you know what his "plan" is for these jobs then?

TheOven · 11-11-2016 02:44AM

My name is URL wrote: »

lol. Have you listened to any of the rhetoric from certain parts of his support base... especially those living on the rust belt?

Personal responsibility would mean not blaming everyone else for the position they find themselves in.

To them everything is somebody else's fault. The immigrants fault that America is a dangerous place. China's fault that there are no manufacturing jobs for them any more. Then they blame Obama for increasing spending on things like healthcare, which is to benefit those very people.

I doubt that many of them know what the word responsibility even means.

Where do I begin?

The supporters of the winning candidate were telling us it was rigged if he didn't win and there will be armed revolution are now complaining about protests.

The candidate who was an outsider, anti-establishment and would drain the swamp is now providing his establishment buddies with positions. Then there is the whole senate thing with most seats being kept.

The candidate who was anti PC, spoke his mind and told it as it is won because the other candidate said mean things.

The candidate representing the personal responsibility party was voted in by people who want the government to help them.

The candidate who is less likely to start a war wants the military to grow.

If people could make sense of his supporters we wouldn't be looking at a President Trump.

Herb Powell · 11-11-2016 02:45AM

seenitall wrote: »

Haha... Surely a joke?

Europe is not even capable of policing itself or its own, internal or external, borders, it lives in an echo-chamber, soft bubble of pastel colours, social security cushioning and political paralysis, and resembles a defenceless baby surrounded by a pack of wolves more and more each year. World police? More like the world's laughing stock...

Takes some doing these days, but holy god, that was THE most fuccking stupid thing I have read so far.

Take a bow.

Jimmy Garlic · 11-11-2016 02:48AM

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm not so worried about what he's going to do once in office, and I don't know if he meant all the things he said about women or muslims or mexicans. But what I do know is that when he said those things there was a very nasty and hate filled section of American society who agreed with him and now that he has won those people feel vindicated. Where they had previously felt that they were a dieing breed who had to keep their racism/sexism/mysoginy to themselves they now feel that it's acceptible to have these views. His victory has in a way legitimised these views in the eyes of the people who hold them and I think that is far more dangerous than Trump himself will be. One has only to look at the twitter feed of David Duke to see examples of this. Neo nazis and white supremacists across the US and the world see this as their victory and that's worrying.

They are no worse than the far left nuts who are now rioting and protesting against democracy as we speak. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember the neo-nazi, white power types rioting after Obama got elected, and you can be sure that they hate him. They are tiny scattered minority of Americans, a very vocal minority on the internet but they wouldn't have the momentum to create big problems in the real world. The far left does have the ability to create major trouble, not just on Twitter and the like where they are openly calling for Trump to be murdered, but on the streets of Americas major cities.

Widdershins · 11-11-2016 02:50AM

gandalf wrote: »

You mean someone who is a populist and in reality a fantasist?

Do you know what his "plan" is for these jobs then?

Oh do give it a rest.
The other poster's blaming the unemployed and underemployed and actually calling them irresponsible. Unless people drop this disdain they hold for what they view as their inferiors they're going to keep being disappointed by election results in future. Hopefully they're intelligent enough to make the connection.

Thank god they're not relying on the geniuses of Boards to formulate a rescue plan.

gandalf · 11-11-2016 02:54AM

So you have no idea then?

Kermit.de.frog · 11-11-2016 02:54AM

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Widdershins · 11-11-2016 02:59AM

gandalf wrote: »

So you have no idea then?

Do you actually give a flying feck about anybody? Or is it all point scoring?
I was responding to the other posters extremely mean spirited comment about quite a lot of people in difficulty. I won't ignore or be diverted from the human element to this.

signostic · 11-11-2016 03:12AM

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Wonder when Putin will finally make the move on the Baltics, Finland & Poland.

Latvia seems to be the most vulnerable of the Baltic states with 34% of the population Russian and in the majority in the south east of the country on the Russian border. Estonia has a 24% Russian pop and Lithuania 6%.

A weak Nato, a blind eye by Trump on his pal Putin and similar situation may develop in Latvia as in the Crimea.

Already sources in Riga are stating that the destabilization of the country by Russia has begun

http://www.baltictimes.com/riga_officials__moscow_using_russian_organisations_to_destabilise_latvia/

Grayson · 11-11-2016 03:15AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

The EU will get even weaker with Brexit and the now much stronger possibility of Le Pen taking over in France as well as others like Merkel (thank god) and co. losing their seats. The world is definitely changing.

Yeahhhhhh....

The EU will be in far better shape than the UK. If the UK loses passporting then it could lose up to 100k jobs in London alone.

The service sector will be decimated. Even if Trump puts the UK to the front of the queue it will take years for a new agreement.

The UK is entering a phase where it can't get everything it wants. The best case involves paying into the EU, having no say, but accepting all the rules.

Even Le Pen and AfD don't want to leave the EU. They want it strong.

Jimmy Garlic · 11-11-2016 03:22AM

signostic wrote: »

Latvia seems to be the most vulnerable of the Baltic states with 34% of the population Russian and in the majority in the south east of the country on the Russian border. Estonia has a 24% Russian pop and Lithuania 6%.

A weak Nato, a blind eye by Trump on his pal Putin and similar situation may develop in Latvia as in the Crimea.

Already sources in Riga are stating that the destabilization of the country by Russia has begun

http://www.baltictimes.com/riga_officials__moscow_using_russian_organisations_to_destabilise_latvia/

That article is pure hyperbole. Hysterical nonsense.

signostic · 11-11-2016 03:24AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

That article is pure hyperbole. Hysterical nonsense.

there are other sources. look them up...

tonycascarino · 11-11-2016 03:57AM

Grayson wrote: »

Yeahhhhhh....

The EU will be in far better shape than the UK. If the UK loses passporting then it could lose up to 100k jobs in London alone.

The service sector will be decimated. Even if Trump puts the UK to the front of the queue it will take years for a new agreement.

The UK is entering a phase where it can't get everything it wants. The best case involves paying into the EU, having no say, but accepting all the rules.

Even Le Pen and AfD don't want to leave the EU. They want it strong.

Sure.....

Le Pen wants the EU strong??

She is extremely open for a Frexit and has promised a referendum for France if elected....I never mentioned the AfD but the majority of AfD supporters also want a Dexit...so I don't know what you are on about making a point about Le Pen & AfD wanting a strong EU. I personally just don't see how the EU is going to get stronger in any shape or form. If anything it is clearly heading the opposite direction.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/706909/Frexit-France-Le-Pen-national-front-Brexit-president-elections
http://www.thelocal.de/20160624/german-far-right-leader-calls-for-a-new-europe-brexit

As for the UK, they always end up just fine despite all the tripe coming from Brussels. They will definitely not be left by the wayside and will get what they want, just wait and see. The EU are just bluffers.

My name is URL · 11-11-2016 04:20AM

Anyway, what's done is done, and I genuinely don't think it'll be as bad for anyone as people make out. I certainly hope it isn't.

Trump has been relatively gracious and decent since the result was announced. Isn't that all that anyone can ask for now?

Let's hope it stays that way. I'm willing to give the man a chance. I don't think his supporters are going to like a lot of what he does with some actual power, but there ya go.

The flying mouse · 11-11-2016 04:30AM

And at least he is still going to welcome the shamrock next year, Where Enda can grovel and say he was talking about a different trump last year and he is more than welcome to visit his golf course in Sligo.

Grayson · 11-11-2016 04:43AM

The flying mouse wrote: »

And at least he is still going to welcome the shamrock next year, Where Enda can grovel and say he was talking about a different trump last year and he is more than welcome to visit his golf course in Sligo.

To be fair at least 50% of the world leaders have commented negatively about him at some point. It's really only the more authoritarian ones that did't.

Jimmy Garlic · 11-11-2016 05:12AM

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair at least 50% of the world leaders have commented negatively about him at some point. It's really only the more authoritarian ones that did't.

You never do your homework.

RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA: A billionaire Saudi prince has congratulated US president-elect Donald Trump after previously calling him a disgrace who should have pulled out of the race.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/saudi-billionaire-who-slammed-trump-sends-best-wishes-1623795?site=full

NI24 · 11-11-2016 07:35AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Then they blame Obama for increasing spending on things like healthcare, which is to benefit those very people.

How is it a benefit to force Americans to buy health insurance that they couldn't afford in the first place lest they face a penalty of 325 dollars and or 2% of their annual income? Obamacare will go down in history as one of the most blatant insurance scams the US has ever seen.

Donal55 · 11-11-2016 08:19AM

20Cent wrote: »

20 million people losing their health insurance. People with pre existing conditions not being able to renew. The wall won't be built, wall st put in charge of the treasury, national debt skyrocketing, racial tensions, LGBT rights removed, net neutrality gone, abortion rights attacked, and a load of other stuff. Yay freedom.
They made their bed.

Plenty of calls from this side of the pond also, for entreprenurial private sector barons to rule over countries.
Well now there is one.

gandalf · 11-11-2016 09:01AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Do you actually give a flying feck about anybody? Or is it all point scoring?
I was responding to the other posters extremely mean spirited comment about quite a lot of people in difficulty. I won't ignore or be diverted from the human element to this.

So you are clueless then. The other posters whilst being "mean-spirited" have a point. Any person who believes the clock will be turned back and low education blue collar jobs will suddenly reappear because Trump waves a magic wand is deluded. They have a responsibility themselves to upskill themselves so they are relevant to the jobs that are available. Sometimes the real world is cruel. Do you want a hug now :rolleyes:

jimmy blevins · 11-11-2016 09:03AM

NATO bombed Serbia to allow a separatist Kosovo to be formed but yet it's unacceptable for Russia to do the same. NATO are every much part of the problem as Russia are, both are aggressive expansionists in outlook.

seenitall · 11-11-2016 09:04AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

Takes some doing these days, but holy god, that was THE most fuccking stupid thing I have read so far.

Take a bow.

Sure, Herb.

Some mighty powerful misdirected anger right there. Could come in useful, once going in the direction other than an inter webs discussion board.

Pherekydes · 11-11-2016 09:24AM

Trump may appoint Ben Carson as Secretary of Education.

Anti-science and anti-environment so far.

People think this isn't going to be bad? You're delusional.

The flying mouse · 11-11-2016 09:25AM

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair at least 50% of the world leaders have commented negatively about him at some point. It's really only the more authoritarian ones that did't.

Wonder will P DT

actually go through the list and see who said what about him and will it influence his dealings with them ?

FortySeven · 11-11-2016 09:29AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Trump may appoint Ben Carson as Secretary of Education.

Anti-science and anti-environment so far.

People think this isn't going to be bad? You're delusional.

Bad for who?

Donal55 · 11-11-2016 09:30AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Trump may appoint Ben Carson as Secretary of Education.

Anti-science and anti-environment so far.

People think this isn't going to be bad? You're delusional.

Sarah Palin could be back also. Excelllllent.

El Presidente Trump

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