El Presidente Trump

learn_more · 10-11-2016 04:13AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Simply being Hillary Clinton is by far the biggest reason that she didn't win.

This comment is so stupid it does deserve to be called something worse that stupid.

Hillary Clinton ran for President because she specially was a politician who rose way and above most other of her male counterparts.

For a woman to achieve what she achieved, and to deny how well she did as a woman senator strikes me as a brainless attempt to dis women in politics.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 10-11-2016 04:24AM

While reaction to Trump's victory has been very measured on this site, some of the stuff I've read on Twitter and Youtube is just plain ridiculous.

I would seriously be concerned about the mental health of some of these people. Irrational toddler esque tantrums out of grown adults.

I wasn't a fan of either candidate but Jesus Christ it's democracy in practice, accept the decision and move on.

Hank Scorpio · 10-11-2016 04:37AM

One of Trumps racist voters

Hillary and her media corruption did a good job of brainwashing so many vulnerable/gullible people.

10-11-2016 04:54AM

DukeOfTheSharp wrote: »

Oh so we're just ignoring cause-and-effect? How actions or inactions can make or break a whole election? ..... analysed and remembered for every country to take heed of.

Big words and long paragraphs don't make up for pure nonsense. She ran an awful campaign, lied repeatedly on camera, lost the public's trust and ultimately, couldn't beat the very person she conspired to have nominated against her.

Bongalongherb · 10-11-2016 05:09AM

A long strange couplement of very odd behaviour from both Clintons. How bill the 'zipper' got in as president in the first place is interesting. I suppose most folk started to see the Clintons for who they really were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmqPJvIRIoo

learn_more · 10-11-2016 05:30AM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I suppose most folk started to see the Clintons for who they really were.

And 'who were they'. Another loaded statement designed to give the impression you know what the hell you are talking about.

10-11-2016 05:54AM

learn_more wrote: »

And 'who were they'. Another loaded statement designed to give the impression you know what the hell you are talking about.

What's your opinion of the pardoning of Marc Rich ?

ebbsy · 10-11-2016 06:20AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

One of Trumps racist voters

Hillary and her media corruption did a good job of brainwashing so many vulnerable/gullible people.

+1

Media and polling companies all bought off and she still got beat out the gate.

She is a horrific cheat.

NIMAN · 10-11-2016 06:29AM

DukeOfTheSharp wrote: »

For those who don't think it'll effect Ireland; he plans to abolish the J1 program for colleges, so Irish students will have even less of an ability to get employment and experience. But sure, they're only the youth, who cares about them? Not to mention the fact that when he lowers corporate tax, Irish-based companies will jump ship, as they always do, to a cheaper prospect.

He plans to move it to 15%, ours is 12.5%, so its not a cheaper prospect.

Walter Bishop · 10-11-2016 08:02AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

We'll never know because she lost.

Horribly.

To Donald Trump.

True, but I think we can take an educated guess.

As for Clinton, she wouldn't have been a great President, but to have spent 40 years working for this and then lose to an orange reality tv show buffoon who basically entered for the lols, would love to know how she is feeling right now.

A Little Pony · 10-11-2016 08:02AM

I am happy that Russia and the US will have a better relationship now and people said he would be the warmonger. Besides carrying the fight to ISIS, I doubt you will see the US invading any country or involved in more wars.

A Little Pony · 10-11-2016 08:06AM

ebbsy wrote: »

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

One of Trumps racist voters

Hillary and her media corruption did a good job of brainwashing so many vulnerable/gullible people.

+1

Media and polling companies all bought off and she still got beat out the gate.

She is a horrific cheat.

I don't know how she will show herself in public ever again. So embarrassing to lose this election, she had the media on her side too.

ebbsy · 10-11-2016 08:08AM

learn_more wrote: »

CNN are reporting anti-trump rallies in several cities. It's not being picked up on SKY or BBC. It's not like it's not happening, CNN are broadcasting live video of such.

I'd say there were more people at a Trump rally than what are out on the streels now.

The media are probably saying there's millions out yawn

A Little Pony · 10-11-2016 08:11AM

Hundreds of thousands will be at his inauguration ceremony. These losers are entitled to protest if it is peaceful but they are still losers. You don't always get who you vote for, it has happened to me, just deal with it.

ebbsy · 10-11-2016 08:16AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Media turned Trump into this racist anti LGBT monster and a huge amount of the population believed it. They have a lot to answer for .

+1 and she still got battered.

Manic Moran · 10-11-2016 08:20AM

DukeOfTheSharp wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Such tripe. You blamed everything but her when she lost only because of her. No one else.

Blaming Sanders? Get a grip.

Oh so we're just ignoring cause-and-effect? How actions or inactions can make or break a whole election? She didn't lose because of her, she won the popular vote, so in reality, how is this on her when she literally received the most votes? Elections are won and lost by the people voting, the reality is that Sanders voters were caught up in the man, not the politics, so much so that they refused to back her even though he did, eventually, support her.

Nuance is required when it comes down to something like this; it's really easy to blame a singular person, but systemic issues, poor running mates, idiotic voters who refuse to see sense and a plethora of other reasons go into a candidates win or loss. Due to the electoral college (which Trump wanted abolished in 2012, by the way) being an easily manipulated system where current senate parties can reshape districts to better suit their political influence, the deck was already stacked against her. Despite that, Texas turned into a blue state this time around. Texas. Hillary did something right on her end, so the only real issue are the people who failed to come out and vote, and those who supported Sanders who jumped ship to Trump...and yes, that's a thing that happened. So while you try to simplify something so complex, I'll be here actually thinking about this in terms of cause-and-effect, with an actual analysis and not some weirdly defensive comment. 2.1% of votes went to a third party in Florida, now expand that to every other state where the margin between Trump and Hillary was under 1% and you've got a pretty damning picture of the voter spread. America's political system is a mess, and in reality, Hillary did really well despite the insane circumstances. But there are reasons for her loss outside your apparent dislike of her, things that need to be analysed and remembered for every country to take heed of.

I agree with the very last line of this. But I take some exception some other parts. Folks who disagree with you are "idiotic voters who refuse to see sense?" What happened to difference of opinion? Texas did not go blue. it was 53-43. If those third party voters were forced to vote for one of the main two, libertarians tend to side with the Republican, Green to Democrats. It would have increased the Republican margin of victory, not decreased it.

Walter Bishop · 10-11-2016 08:22AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I am happy that Russia and the US will have a better relationship now and people said he would be the warmonger. Besides carrying the fight to ISIS, I doubt you will see the US invading any country or involved in more wars.

It would be nice if the US could have a better relationship with Russia by diplomatic means rather than electing someone who is going to bring the US closer to the way Russia is governed - a corrupt authoritarian police state ruled by a gangster.

ebbsy · 10-11-2016 08:23AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

DukeOfTheSharp wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Such tripe. You blamed everything but her when she lost only because of her. No one else.

Blaming Sanders? Get a grip.

Oh so we're just ignoring cause-and-effect? How actions or inactions can make or break a whole election? She didn't lose because of her, she won the popular vote, so in reality, how is this on her when she literally received the most votes? Elections are won and lost by the people voting, the reality is that Sanders voters were caught up in the man, not the politics, so much so that they refused to back her even though he did, eventually, support her.

Nuance is required when it comes down to something like this; it's really easy to blame a singular person, but systemic issues, poor running mates, idiotic voters who refuse to see sense and a plethora of other reasons go into a candidates win or loss. Due to the electoral college (which Trump wanted abolished in 2012, by the way) being an easily manipulated system where current senate parties can reshape districts to better suit their political influence, the deck was already stacked against her. Despite that, Texas turned into a blue state this time around. Texas. Hillary did something right on her end, so the only real issue are the people who failed to come out and vote, and those who supported Sanders who jumped ship to Trump...and yes, that's a thing that happened. So while you try to simplify something so complex, I'll be here actually thinking about this in terms of cause-and-effect, with an actual analysis and not some weirdly defensive comment. 2.1% of votes went to a third party in Florida, now expand that to every other state where the margin between Trump and Hillary was under 1% and you've got a pretty damning picture of the voter spread. America's political system is a mess, and in reality, Hillary did really well despite the insane circumstances. But there are reasons for her loss outside your apparent dislike of her, things that need to be analysed and remembered for every country to take heed of.

I agree with the very last line of this. But I take some exception some other parts. Folks who disagree with you are "idiotic voters who refuse to see sense?" What happened to difference of opinion? Texas did not go blue. it was 53-43. If those third party voters were forced to vote for one of the main two, libertarians tend to side with the Republican, Green to Democrats. It would have increased the Republican margin of victory, not decreased it.

True, Libertarians wouldn't piss on Clinton if she was on fire.

A Little Pony · 10-11-2016 08:24AM

Walter Bishop wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I am happy that Russia and the US will have a better relationship now and people said he would be the warmonger. Besides carrying the fight to ISIS, I doubt you will see the US invading any country or involved in more wars.

It would be nice if the US could have a better relationship with Russia by diplomatic means rather than electing someone who is going to bring the US closer to the way Russia is governed - a corrupt authoritarian police state ruled by a gangster.

How can that happen? You have a congress in America, checks and balances. Trump is NOT going to be Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. The sooner people realize this the better. It was embarrassing seeing such comparisons during the campaign.

It was as if people lived in an alternate universe and yet Trump battered her. The racist card didn't work.

Walter Bishop · 10-11-2016 08:29AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

How can that happen? You have a congress in America, checks and balances. Trump is NOT going to be Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. The sooner people realize this the better. It was embarrassing seeing such comparisons during the campaign.

It was as if people lived in an alternate universe and yet Trump battered her. The racist card didn't work.

I don't think he will be Hitler or Stalin. As for the checks and balances, Trump has GOP control of both houses of Congress, will pick the next Supreme Court justice for a 5-4 majority of conservatives and may well get another pick or two in the next four years, never mind eight.

The much vaunted checks and balances system is not going to be as effective keeping Trump under control as people think it will be.

lawlolawl · 10-11-2016 08:33AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The racist card didn't work.

Mostly because reasonable people actually listened to his comments and realized that there isn't really anything racist about not wanting illegal immigrants and jihadists allowed into the country.

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 08:57AM

DukeOfTheSharp wrote: »

It also says a lot about Sanders supporters and Sanders himself. For all the bluster about change, he was really only a cult of personality candidate; once he was out, people lost interest, voted for Trump or voted for a third party candidate. Clinton got the crap end of the stick, was scrutinized unfairly, more than Trump was, and The low voter turnout was awful for her too, and I think that in general it was the Sanders delusion that caused so much trouble.

Bull sh1t.

It was Clinton's job to convince Sanders supporters to vote for her. The only one who actually referenced Sanders in the debates or rallies was Trump. Clinton shafted Sanders, and the millions of voters who supported him, and it was blatantly obvious that her election platform was not her true position on how she would act in office (it was merely her public position)

People were interested in Sanders because he was a politician who stood on principles and would have actually fought for those principles as president. It's not Sanders, or his supporters fault that Clinton has a track record of pretending to be progressive but actually supporting corporate interests.

This rubbish that progressive people have some kind of moral obligation to support the Democratic party regardless of the candidate is one of the main reasons the U.S. have such a broken political system and low turnouts

People don't care about policies, they care about the person, Sanders talked a big game, but never had any substance, Clinton did her homework and was qualified, but failed to reach her goal because of Sanders, electoral college and her gender. It's sad to say, but the idea of 'people power' only goes so far once you remove the personality in front of the ideology. It's the paradox of the political system, it's all flash, and any substance is lost to those blinded by it.

Even more Bullsh1t.

People didn't like Sanders because elderly Jewish atheists are the next Jay - Z, they liked him because of his policies. Sanders was different because he hammered his policies all the time, he didn't play the other candidate with negative campaigning, he pushed his own policies.

Sanders didn't cost Clinton the Election, Clinton cost herself the election the day she met with the DNC officials and conspired with them to rig the primary in her favour regardless of whether or not she was the most popular candidate. If the Democrats had run the primaries to find the most electable candidate, then they would have won. Instead they ran the primaries as a coronation for Hillary Clinton.

The democrats have lost because they are trying to out republican the republicans. People will turn out to vote if there is a candidate and a message that they believe in.

Christy42 · 10-11-2016 09:02AM

beach_walker wrote: »

...Did I say that?

Yeah right on. Lemme guess you were totally on board with Iona complaining about the "homophobic" accusations on RTE and getting their pay-out. I mean they were totally entitled because of their taxes spent right? Giving a career platform to "celebs" such as (business man) Rory o'Neil on the basis of saying dumb things is wrong, right?

Oh.

They were entitled to complain. If you feel someone slanders you then you have the right to complain just as rte have the right to defend themselves (which I wish they had taken). I entirely supported Iona's right to complain and would never take away that right.

What Rory O'Neill said could have been backed up in a court of law if they had had any guts. Rory O'Neill was on because he was a campaigner-not purely to say stupid things (which he didn't).

Rte are also within their rights to defend booking Katie Hopkins if they so wish. It is how a discussion takes place.

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 09:03AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Mostly because reasonable people actually listened to his comments and realized that there isn't really anything racist about not wanting illegal immigrants and jihadists allowed into the country.

Nah, it's not because he's not racist, its because they're a bit racist too, and don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Trump went after the republican base who think most immigrants are criminals, rapists and here to steal their jobs

There is a similar base of people here in europe, and these are being targetted by the BNP and UKIP, and the likes of Le Pen in France.

People don't see through accusations of racism, they are racists themselves, and don't think theres anything wrong with that.

tritium · 10-11-2016 09:04AM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

I wonder do they understand the difference between being respectful of the democratic system which provided the result, while simultaneously disagreeing vehemently with the result? Because you sure as hell don't seem to.

Yeah respect is calling anyone who voted for the other side idiots, racists, xenophobes and in onea lovely case on here c*nts.

Respect is demanding that the electoral system that was fine when it workes for your side be changed because the numbers dont work for you anymore.

Respect is rioti g bwcause ypu didnt get the outcome you wanted

Very respectful of the system that.

Ive been clear enough in previous posts that im not a fan of either candidate. However the hypocricy of some clinton supporters post the elction is quite stunning. They spent half the campaign telling everyone how mean and bitter Trump voters were. Telling us how trump voters were racist and sexist. Now theyve lost the election w hat we get from is them a mean bitter whine about how those white men are all such idiots and c*nts and bigots to vote for Trump- pure racism and sexism that they cant even see as it sits in front of their faces. Because of course it was only redneck white sexist racists who voted for him. No one smart could have right?

Rather than try to understand the wave of outrage that swept a candidate like Trump into the white house, a group who in many cases are experts on being outraged have decided they know best and theres really no issue to be looked at here. Its just the bottom feeders, nothing to see here, lets move on, democracy just didnt work!

Bull**** to that, democracy actually worked as intended here and if no one in the DNC is prepared ro actually try to understand why they lost and the mistakes, miscalculations and ethically dumb moves they made then theyre likely to be facing the exact same problem in four years time

Christy42 · 10-11-2016 09:14AM

tritium wrote: »

Yeah respect is calling anyone who voted for the other side idiots, racists, xenophobes and in onea lovely case on here c*nts.

Respect is demanding that the electoral system that was fine when it workes for your side be changed because the numbers dont work for you anymore.

Respect is rioti g bwcause ypu didnt get the outcome you wanted

Very respectful of the system that.

Ive been clear enough in previous posts that im not a fan of either candidate. However the hypocricy of some clinton supporters post the elction is quite stunning. They spent half the campaign telling everyone how mean and bitter Trump voters were. Telling us how trump voters were racist and sexist. Now theyve lost the election w hat we get from is them a mean bitter whine about how those white men are all such idiots and c*nts and bigots to vote for Trump- pure racism and sexism that they cant even see as it sits in front of their faces. Because of course it was only redneck white sexist racists who voted for him. No one smart could have right?

Rather than try to understand the wave of outrage that swept a candidate like Trump into the white house, a group who in many cases are experts on being outraged have decided they know best and theres really no issue to be looked at here. Its just the bottom feeders, nothing to see here, lets move on, democracy just didnt work!

Bull**** to that, democracy actually worked as intended here and if no one in the DNC is prepared ro actually try to understand why they lost and the mistakes, miscalculations and ethically dumb moves they made then theyre likely to be facing the exact same problem in four years time

No one has called white men idiots as far as I have seen. I am a white man and no one has called me an idiot.

Trump is an out and out racist (I don't mean curbing immigration-calling Mexican's rapists and saying a judge was inappropriate because he was of Mexican heritage as a quick example).

You have to wonder at the people supporting him. No one said all white men supported Trump so your claims of racism and sexism against white men is entirely unfounded.

It seems Trump supporters want to receive respect without ever being respectful of others. Trump collapsed this campaign into the mud early on and his supporters cheered him for it. The minute someone points out his massive flaws they cry that they aren't respected enough. This thread shows the liberals have the tougher skin and are less likely to go for the pc police (I guess respect police for the right wing since they sub in respect for pc).

lawlolawl · 10-11-2016 09:16AM

I see the crybabies have blocked a freeway in California and injured cops in Oakland.

Protesters reportedly goading and insulting police.

McDermotX · 10-11-2016 09:21AM

They're an absolute disgrace.

Hope the Trump accelerates his plans for his massive prison gulags and chucks the whole lot of 'em in there.

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 09:25AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

How can that happen? You have a congress in America, checks and balances. Trump is NOT going to be Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. The sooner people realize this the better. It was embarrassing seeing such comparisons during the campaign.

It was as if people lived in an alternate universe and yet Trump battered her. The racist card didn't work.

When you have a candidate declaring that the very first thing he's going to do is round up millions of people including children, then it's a perfectly valid thing to compare them with Hitler or Stalin. Your embarrassment at seeing such comparisons is part of the reason why he was elected.

Trump is a dangerous dangerous man. If he does even half of the things he campaigned on, then the world will be on fire when he leaves office

Hank Scorpio · 10-11-2016 09:26AM

This wonderful lady has it spot on about the "protesters" Laura rocks

El Presidente Trump

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