2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

LostinKildare · 09-11-2016 11:40PM

Stheno wrote: »

Does anyone think a woman will occupy a cabinet position of significance?

Sarah Palin, Secretary of the Interior, to destroy all national parks with pipelines, fracking, and mining, and to lift protections of endangered species so they can be hunted from helicopters? Trump's sons will like that.

vetinari · 09-11-2016 11:40PM

Does he really have to release his tax returns? Not sure about that.

Stheno · 09-11-2016 11:52PM

LostinKildare wrote: »

Sarah Palin, Secretary of the Interior, to destroy all national parks with pipelines, fracking, and mining, and to lift protections of endangered species so they can be hunted from helicopters? Trump's sons will like that.

I'd be of the mindset that she is so polarising as to be a no go

26000 Elephants · 10-11-2016 12:12AM

Stheno wrote: »

I'd be of the mindset that she is so polarising as to be a no go

Polarisation does not appear to be a concern for him.

Stheno · 10-11-2016 12:15AM

He now has to get republican politicians behind him most of them despise her

26000 Elephants · 10-11-2016 12:24AM

Yeah, but they hate him equally. That in itself is not a barrier for career politicians. Its all about the deal and what they get from it.

Sparks43 · 10-11-2016 12:50AM

Stheno wrote: »

Does anyone think a woman will occupy a cabinet position of significance?

They need someone in a miniskirt that can serve tea beer and pretzels.

Palin anyone?

Itssoeasy · 10-11-2016 01:15AM

I'm just reading about mike pence and good Christ he's got some iffy to say the least on social issues.

daithi7 · 10-11-2016 01:25AM

Hmmmm, some good posts here and a really top class programme (the Pat Kenny Show) on tv3 tonight discussing the fallout from this very fractious and divisive American presidential campaign.

One issue that stinks for me is that it seems pretty clear the FBI (& specifically it's Director) were acting in a blatantly political manner throughout this election. They investigated the Hillary Clinton emails, cleared them& her, only to then reopen the investigation all over again in the middle of a fraught election campaign, while a media demagogue all the while labeled her 'Crooked Hillary'.

It seems pretty clear that the FBI were meddling in internal US politics, in a very blatant fashion. This is both very worrying and I suspect highly illegal. Since Trump is proposing to spend more on the US military machine, which in turn will probably seek (&/or cause a war , or several of them) to justify this hugely increased military spending, it's deeply troubling that one of the agencies of this military machine may have illegally assisted in his election by effectively tarnishing his opponent. If this is/was the case we could see an investigation and fallout of near Watergate proportions.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

P.s. it's a cruel irony (&I realise that most Americans struggle with the concept of irony) that whilst Trump purports to represent the disenfranchised, 'ordinary American', that in reality he is likely to repay their loyalty by causing wars for the military machine (who sponsor him), which will likely result in many hundreds of thousands of these 'ordinary Americans' being utilised to fight unnecessary wars to justify unneeded military expenditure. So many of these ordinary Americans will probably end up unnecessarily in military body bags. That's actually tragic if you think about it.

NIMAN · 10-11-2016 01:27AM

There was also the idea mentioned by a contributor to The Last Word today that maybe that FBI move was meant to give Clinton's campaign a late shot in the arm, since they came out and said she was fine just before people went to vote? Maybe it was meant to help rather than hinder?

daithi7 · 10-11-2016 01:30AM

NIMAN wrote: »

There was also the idea mentioned by a contributor to The Last Word today that maybe that FBI move was meant to give Clinton's campaign a late shot in the arm, since they came out and said she was fine just before people went to vote? Maybe it was meant to help rather than hinder?

Yeah RIGHT!?

FrancieBrady · 10-11-2016 01:38AM

NIMAN wrote: »

There was also the idea mentioned by a contributor to The Last Word today that maybe that FBI move was meant to give Clinton's campaign a late shot in the arm, since they came out and said she was fine just before people went to vote? Maybe it was meant to help rather than hinder?

One of Kenny's contributors made the point that Obama would have known the intentions of the FBI. I think it being done to help her (end the speculation) is plausible and equally disconcerting.

TheOven · 10-11-2016 01:40AM

daithi7 wrote: »

Hmmmm, some good posts here and a really top class programme (the Pat Kenny Show) on tv3 tonight discussing the fallout from this very fractious and divisive American presidential campaign.

One issue that stinks for me is that it seems pretty clear the FBI (& specifically it's Director) were acting in a blatantly political manner throughout this election. They investigated the Hillary Clinton emails, cleared them& her, only to then reopen the investigation all over again in the middle of a fraught election campaign, while a media demagogue all the while labeled her 'Crooked Hillary'.

It seems pretty clear that the FBI were meddling in internal US politics, in a very blatant fashion. This is both very worrying and I suspect highly illegal. Since Trump is proposing to spend more on the US military machine, which in turn will probably seek (&/or cause a war , or several of them) to justify this hugely increased military spending, it's deeply troubling that one of the agencies of this military machine may have illegally assisted in his election by effectively tarnishing his opponent. If this is/was the case we could see an investigation and fallout of near Watergate proportions.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

P.s. it's a cruel irony (&I realise that most Americans struggle with the concept of irony) that whilst Trump purports to represent the disenfranchised, 'ordinary American', that in reality he is likely to repay their loyalty by causing wars for the military machine (who sponsor him), which will likely result in many hundreds of thousands of these 'ordinary Americans' being conscripted to fight unnecessary wars to justify unneeded military expenditure. So many of these ordinary Americans will probably end up unnecessarily in military body bags. That's actually tragic if you think about it.

It could be possible that Comey knew that the new emails being found would be leaked so had to do it to appear unbiased. Rudy admitted to getting info before backtracking.

Arytonblue · 10-11-2016 01:48AM

NIMAN wrote: »

There was also the idea mentioned by a contributor to The Last Word today that maybe that FBI move was meant to give Clinton's campaign a late shot in the arm, since they came out and said she was fine just before people went to vote? Maybe it was meant to help rather than hinder?

Well if we're going by the polls, and I know some will say that we shouldn't after the result, her lead was at it's highest on the eve of Comey's announcement, hardly in need of an elaborate shot in the arm, that was two weeks before election day and the race suddenly became competitive after it, it was only a few days prior to Nov 8 where he came out and said it was all for nothing anyway (definitely fishy IMO) so if there had been damage done, which there was by all accounts, it was too late in the day for it to be fully reversed. Whilst big changes can happen in a single day in elections there is a certain level of inertia with most voters, more than likely if a voter's intentions were being influenced by the email scandal, hearing it was being looked into AGAIN would hold greater weight than hearing they were 'non-pertinent', a certain element of confirmation bias with a lot of undecideds of 'yep, she's definitely crooked, Trump was right'.

On that topic, for all the talk of how 'biased' the meeja apparently was by boldly reporting Trump's own damaging quotes, they certainly wasted no time to pounce on that announcement, still mentioning it even after it was shown to be a non starter, calling it this years 'October Suprise' without rightly totally discrediting it, hardly something they'd do had they been bought off by the maniacal Clintons.

daithi7 · 10-11-2016 02:13AM

Arytonblue wrote: »

Well if we're going by the polls, and I know some will say that we shouldn't after the result, her lead was at it's highest on the eve of Comey's announcement, hardly in need of an elaborate shot in the arm, that was two weeks before election day and the race suddenly became competitive after it, it was only a few days prior to Nov 8 where he came out and said it was all for nothing anyway (definitely fishy IMO) so if there had been damage done, which there was by all accounts, it was too late in the day for it to be fully reversed. Whilst big changes can happen in a single day in elections there is a certain level of inertia with most voters, more than likely if a voter's intentions were being influenced by the email scandal, hearing it was being looked into AGAIN would hold greater weight than hearing they were 'non-pertinent', a certain element of confirmation bias with a lot of undecideds of 'yep, she's definitely crooked, Trump was right'.

Yeah, it holed her campaign below the waterline. The FBI , and it's Director, have grievous questions to answer here imho.

Also, (spoiler alert: tinfoil hat time from me

) this issue brought 3 very strange bedfellows into partnership I.e. The KGB, the FBI & Donald Trump. Because the Kgb hacked the emails & released them in the middle of a US presidential campaign, then the FBI & it's Director played political king maker (or queen killer) with them, and finally Donald Trump exploited the enterprise of both the KGB & the FBI to tarnish his opponent 'Crooked Hillary'.

Now what do all these three 'partners' have in common????? they are all promoters of the military machine. Hillary was hijacked by the military machine imho, and that's the real story of this election.

P.s. perhaps this unlikely triumvirate are the new 'Axis of Evil!' !?

Amazingfun · 10-11-2016 02:24AM

Protest @ Trump Tower :

http://www.ustream.tv/stopmotionsolo

Harry Angstrom · 10-11-2016 02:47AM

daithi7 wrote: »

Hmmmm, some good posts here and a really top class programme (the Pat Kenny Show) on tv3 tonight discussing the fallout from this very fractious and divisive American presidential campaign.

One issue that stinks for me is that it seems pretty clear the FBI (& specifically it's Director) were acting in a blatantly political manner throughout this election. They investigated the Hillary Clinton emails, cleared them& her, only to then reopen the investigation all over again in the middle of a fraught election campaign, while a media demagogue all the while labeled her 'Crooked Hillary'.

It seems pretty clear that the FBI were meddling in internal US politics, in a very blatant fashion. This is both very worrying and I suspect highly illegal. Since Trump is proposing to spend more on the US military machine, which in turn will probably seek (&/or cause a war , or several of them) to justify this hugely increased military spending, it's deeply troubling that one of the agencies of this military machine may have illegally assisted in his election by effectively tarnishing his opponent. If this is/was the case we could see an investigation and fallout of near Watergate proportions.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

This is one of those situations where the FBI are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they didn't investigate the Hillary/Huma Abedin/Anthony Weiner shared laptop emails until after the presidential election, they'd be accused of being pro-Hillary. If they investigate the Hillary/Huma Abedin/Anthony Weiner shared laptop emails before the presidential election, they're accused of being pro-Trump. Seems to me the FBI came out very quickly to exonerate Hillary of any wrongdoing. Not suggesting for a moment that they might have been lent on by higher powers....
Considering what's at stake, the naïveté or the sheer stupid-mindedness of Hillary and her aides beggars belief. And they were perceived as being the intellectual superiors of Trump and his advisors.......

Harry Angstrom · 10-11-2016 02:59AM

daithi7 wrote: »

P.s. it's a cruel irony (&I realise that most Americans struggle with the concept of irony) that whilst Trump purports to represent the disenfranchised, 'ordinary American', that in reality he is likely to repay their loyalty by causing wars for the military machine (who sponsor him), which will likely result in many hundreds of thousands of these 'ordinary Americans' being conscripted to fight unnecessary wars to justify unneeded military expenditure. So many of these ordinary Americans will probably end up unnecessarily in military body bags. That's actually tragic if you think about it.

I'm sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. Do you honestly think that Donald Trump will start conscripting people? Really? Think about it again before you give a definitive answer.

Hank Scorpio · 10-11-2016 02:59AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Protest @ Trump Tower :

http://www.ustream.tv/stopmotionsolo

Trump should open a window and throw a giant bucket of water over them, maybe that would wash away the brainwashing from the MSM.

Chanting "We reject the president elect".. Who cares?

Hank Scorpio · 10-11-2016 03:05AM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

She ran a great campaign and she demolished trump in all the debates.

According to who? The MSM? The American public don't seem so sure. I'll give you she won the first debate.

Trump killed her here, and that was end of that. No where to run or hide and she responded smirking and telling people to check her "Neutral" website to fact check Trump.

He also turned the bus video footage over by explaining what "Good Person" Hillarys husband Bill has done to Women down the years. She got slaughtered.

daithi7 · 10-11-2016 03:08AM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'm sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. Do you honestly think that Donald Trump will start conscripting people? Really? Think about it again before you give a definitive answer.

Ok, conscripted was a slip of the keyboard finger,(original post has now 1 word edited) but my main point is that I believe Trump will lead the US into unnecessary wars, which will lead to many ordinary Americans who serve in the forces suffering and perishing as a result.

Harry Angstrom · 10-11-2016 03:21AM

daithi7 wrote: »

Ok, conscripted was a slip of the keyboard finger, but my main point is that I believe Trump will lead the US into unnecessary wars in which many ordinary Americans (who serve in forces) will suffer and perish.

Considering the Obama/Hillary administration is as culpable as any other for the destabilisation of the Middle East and North Africa, while Trump seems to be far more accommodating towards some kind of entente towards Putin and Russia, I'd venture to suggest that Trump mightn't be half as hawkish as some people think he might be.

Bret Hart · 10-11-2016 03:25AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Trump should open a window and throw a giant bucket of water over them, maybe that would wash away the brainwashing from the MSM.

Chanting "We reject the president elect".. Who cares?

I wonder how many of them there,got off there ass and voted.

Hank Scorpio · 10-11-2016 03:27AM

Bret Hart wrote: »

I wonder how many of them there,got off there ass and voted.

I'm surprised there's so many of them clustered together violating their safe space.

meepins · 10-11-2016 04:29AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I'm surprised there's so many of them clustered together violating their safe space.

United in their hatred of white people.

realitykeeper · 10-11-2016 04:38AM

As a right winger I have to say building walls and taxing imports is not the way to make America great again. America needs to compete by abolishing the minimum wage and slashing government salaries by 90% and by sacking 90% of government employees. If American companies cannot turn a profit in America they will shut up shop even if moving abroad is not a viable alternative. If the US does not abolish its minimum wage, eventually the only employer that can afford it will be the US government and if the US government is the only employer left in the US, the dollar will not be worth the paper it is printed on.

Donald Trump may be aware of these things because he did point out a massive recession is coming whereas Hillary was not even aware of the impending economic implosion which QE will cause.

Jawgap · 10-11-2016 06:39AM

The devil, as they say, is in the detail.

https://twitter.com/mwlapointe/status/796419859559182336

Overheal · 10-11-2016 06:58AM

Stephen Colbert manages a very uplifting monologue much of which was ad lib just minutes after hearing the results last night. Good bipartisan watch I promise. Watch on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/showtime/videos/10157731288890486/

Hank Scorpio · 10-11-2016 07:31AM

Very easy to twist polls to show a specific viewpoint

The Washington Times shows the >100K mark at 50/50 which further dispels the point that a big majority of elites voted for Trump. That's before you take into account Hillary having 88% of African American vote and the majority of minorities.

One of the main reasons she lost was the upsurge in Hispanic vote, 30% for Trump. He also had a 2 point gain on Romney with the black vote.

Trump had 80% of the evangelical vote where income isn't a factor, it's worth mentioning too. I believe people are scared of situations like what's happening in Germany and France with immigration laws.

Jawgap · 10-11-2016 08:21AM

Stheno wrote: »

Does anyone think a woman will occupy a cabinet position of significance?

US election 2016 results: Meet President Trump's possible cabinet

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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