2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Congrats to Trump. Good game, I have a grudging respect for him now.

As for his acolytes - I still think they are gullible fools who have been swept up on a false tide. Normal service in support of the weatlthy establishment will be resumed following his inauguration - what? You were expecting something else to happen?

On a positive note, after letting trump flounder in the opinion polls a few months into his reign, it will be time to start this

BoatMad wrote: »

naw, dont agree actually . there will be a wobble , but thats all , with Clinton and Trump are pro business so I wouldn't expect too much to change

I'm not sure if being "pro business" is good enough though really. Trump is a terrible businessman in every regard.
I'm not sure the markets will put a lot of stock (pun intended) in his capability.

That said though, it's the other houses who will control most of the domestic policy, so it'll be a good day to be an American oligarch and a bad day to be an average American worker.
Foreign policy is a different matter though. Trump will be a complete disaster on that front, worse than GWB, Reagan, or Nixon, so has the potential to put the value of the dollar in the toilet.

Does Billy86 still post on this thread?

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

If Clinton had won, in such a tight contest, would you be calling it "groupthink"?

Yes? Groupthink isn't a bad thing, it's an emergent property of human consciousness. It happens. And it can be heavily exploited by things like polls and making false claims because "everyone says so".
Trump is objectively an awful candidate with no redeeming qualities, but he still won. That's the power of groupthink.

Likewise if Hillary won, it would have been groupthink about her suitability or least-worstness.

This is exactly the reason people lie about voting for candidates like Trump, they just don't want to have to put up with the snide comments, the sly remarks from the "right-on" people

In other words, they're ashamed of their opinion because they're incapable of justifying it.

Gotcha.

Nody wrote: »

That level of fall would take at least a month or two to happen and normally would take at least 6 months to happen. I expect the recession to come end of 2017 along with a stock market crash (we're overdue one anyway) because the economy has to start tanking.

This election result didn't surprise me. You are probably right, just my pessimism getting the better of me, however, it wouldn't surprise me.

Wish I had bought even more gold last year, now. :rolleyes:

Jawgap wrote: »

Maybe you'd post the link where Trump distances himself from the KKK?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/

In fairness he was quick too to disavowal the KKK

BoatMad wrote: »

I think this is the key , take out , for pollsters, people are lying to the polls

Lie the polls. There is no need for them.

Jawgap wrote: »

Nice deflection but Bush accumulated advisers as he progressed through the GOP and was supported by the RNC - you think Trump is going to accept that kind of help?

Equally, do you think anyone with ambition in the GOP is going to allow themselves to be associated with Trump if the party leadership are not wholly supportive of him? Especially if he costs them control of Congress in 2018 and the re-districting that's due to be done.

EDIT: Apologies @nody, my original question wasn't directed at you so can't really suggest you were deflecting

oh the RNC will take Trump, to its breast, dont believe anything else will be the case. everyone wants to be on the winning side

Nody wrote: »

I'd guess Bush junior approach; weak president but smart advisors to run the actual policy.

That went well. Terrorism spreading throughout Europe and a new batch storming the walls. Still, Trump is an isolationist so perhaps the damage will be more confined this time. Fingers crossed.

I think it's dangerous to write off BRexiters and Trump supporters as idiots. What we are seeing is people who want change.

The Governments of the West have stopped listening to the people but try to play a political correctness, where by the state is genderless, religion free, asexual, with an acceptance to persecute the majority.

Our societies are not bland. Allowing the SJW or BLM antics is no longer acceptable to the majority.

France will follow suit.

3 things you thought you'd never see happen:

President Donald Trump
UK leave EU
Ireland beat All Blacks