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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #7502
    vetinari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Walter2016 wrote: »
    Irish stock exchange has turned positive, no chnage in dollar or sterling v euro after initial negativity.

    Dow future up.

    Nasdaq futures down but recovering.


    Looks like the markets are now pricing it as a non event

    For people like you who can't read, dow futures were down 700 last I checked. Trump is going to be a complete **** up as president.


  • #7503
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    It's not ideal, but far from the doomsday all were predicting before. The three biggest issues I'd see are

    1) Trumps general disregard for national deficit. America is going to be indebted up to its eyes in 4 years time.

    2) Trumps lack of interest in banking regulation. We saw how well that went last time.

    3) Trump gets to appoint three supreme court judges. Conservative, Republican policies for all for the foreseeable future, even long after Trump is gone.

    1 and 2 have the potential to combine nicely into anothet major recession down the road.


  • #7504
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    nice result. the best man won.


  • #7505
    glued
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Man literally lived in a solid gold penthouse before he won.

    "Man of the normal people" :rolleyes:

    Obama, the first Black president, will have to shake hands with a man who was endorsed by the KKK. 2016 is ****ed. Up.

    It's not f**cked up. People are sick of having their legitimate political views demonised by the liberal media and politically correct public.

    The same thing will happen in Ireland...


  • #7506
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    vetinari wrote: »
    For people like you who can't read, dow futures were down 700 last I checked. Trump is going to be a complete **** up as president.

    .....I wonder if he'll keep Yellen and allow her to serve out the rest of her term?

    They did spark of each other on a couple of occasions during the campaign.


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  • #7507
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Lovely Bloke wrote: »
    Is it any wonder? Show any kind of support for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Orban and you immediately get cast as some kind of rabid racist.

    The fault for this lies squarely with those people who demonise people who would like to see some kind of immigration control. Wanting to see an Australian-style system introduced to the EU is just not racist, but people who want to see unfettered inward movement, for whatever reason, shout the loudest, cast aspersions and behave disgustingly toward people of a different tack.

    all this would be true , if any real solution could be achieved by controlling immigration , the reality is that immigration is not a cause of anything


  • #7508
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    glued wrote: »
    It's not f**cked up. People are sick of having their legitimate political views demonised by the liberal media and politically correct public.

    The same thing will happen in Ireland...

    great , you mean a massive swing to the hard right , whoo hoo , bring it on. Michael o Leary for Leader


  • #7509
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Lovely Bloke wrote: »
    Is it any wonder? Show any kind of support for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Orban and you immediately get cast as some kind of rabid racist.

    The fault for this lies squarely with those people who demonise people who would like to see some kind of immigration control. Wanting to see an Australian-style system introduced to the EU is just not racist, but people who want to see unfettered inward movement, for whatever reason, shout the loudest, cast aspersions and behave disgustingly toward people of a different tack.

    Yes, people want immigration control......

    ......except when it comes to the 'undocumented' Irish :rolleyes:


  • #7510
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Jawgap wrote: »
    How?

    Seriously how?

    His speech struck a nice tone, but how is he going to reduce taxes and increase infrastructure spending and maintain fiscal discipline?

    The only people who have any money are the US corporations with trillions stashed overseas untaxed and the 0.1 percenters. He is not going to tax those groups. He doesn't believe in tax, he doesn't pay tax.

    Dark day. :-(


  • #7511
    CFlat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭CFlat


    It turns out Trump was right all along, the election was rigged:)


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  • #7512
    vetinari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    To be clear. Trump has no ****ing idea what he'll actually do as president. To repeat, he's a ****ing billionaire claiming to be a champion of white working class people. How the **** do you think that will go? He'll be bored of being president by March. What a ****ing disaster.


  • #7513
    Walter2016
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Walter2016


    vetinari wrote: »
    For people like you who can't read, dow futures were down 700 last I checked. Trump is going to be a complete **** up as president.

    That was the case a couple of hours ago. Current figures show 200pt drop and improving.


  • #7514
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The only people who have any money are the US corporations with trillions stashed overseas untaxed and the 0.1 percenters. He is not going to tax those groups. He doesn't believe in tax, he doesn't pay tax.

    Dark day. :-(

    Well he has form for fraternising with SF, maybe they're going to give him a few of their magic money trees instead of a bowl of Shamrock next March......


  • #7515
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    devnull wrote: »
    What we're seeing is that the kind of people to vote for Brexit and Trump are shy about saying it publicly.
    To be fair, there's all this talk about Brexit being way wrong, when in reality all of the Brexit polls were very close to the final result, and the win/lose odds between them very short in the final week.
    In that case, it had been the media calling it as a pretty sure thing on the final day, even though all of the polls they had taken up to then showed it to be a very close thing.

    This is something else entirely. The polls were completely wrong.

    But then these polls are based off simpler questions and representative calculations. The presidential race isn't a representative democracy. It's barely democracy.


  • #7516
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Walter2016 wrote: »
    That was the case a couple of hours ago. Current figures show 200pt drop and improving.
    None of the US exchanges have opened yet.


  • #7517
    vetinari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    And to add to the previous poster. This ****er wasn't even paying tax to begin with. Now he's ****ing president. This is ****ing lunacy.


  • #7518
    vetinari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    And to add to the previous poster. This ****er wasn't even paying tax to begin with. Now he's ****ing president. This is ****ing lunacy.


  • #7519
    vetinari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    And to add to the previous poster. This ****er wasn't even paying tax to begin with. Now he's ****ing president. This is ****ing lunacy.


  • #7520
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair, there's all this talk about Brexit being way wrong, when in reality all of the Brexit polls were very close to the final result, and the win/lose odds between them very short in the final week.
    In that case, it had been the media calling it as a pretty sure thing on the final day, even though all of the polls they had taken up to then showed it to be a very close thing.

    This is something else entirely. The polls were completely wrong.

    But then these polls are based off simpler questions and representative calculations. The presidential race isn't a representative democracy. It's barely democracy.

    the issue of polls is neither or there


  • #7521
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I suspect polls are particularly flawed when you have such a stupid system as the electoral college one.


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  • #7522
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Man literally lived in a solid gold penthouse before he won.

    "Man of the normal people" :rolleyes:

    Obama, the first Black president, will have to shake hands with a man who was endorsed by the KKK. 2016 is ****ed. Up.

    Delusion. How can Trump control if the KKK endorse him? His son said one of there leaders deserves a bullet as soon as that came out.

    Meanwhile there's images of Hillary Clinton KISSING one of the KKK leaders.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/03/politics/eric-trump-on-david-duke/

    How can Trump control how rich he was before he ran for the Presidency. Your insults are idiotic.


  • #7523
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I suspect polls are particularly flawed when you have such a stupid system as the electoral college one.
    But that would go against the fact the likes of 385 managed to get all but one state correct in the previous two elections with their algorithm; there has to be something more in play to cause that much of a difference (and 385 still did have significant margins of errors included in the first place it was still a big difference).


  • #7524
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.


    Never underestimated the arrogance of an Irish person.

    We three times elected Bertie and FF on the promise of a continued bubble, we are very close to electing the same FF party that ruined us less than a decade ago.

    We shunded the parties that dug us out of the whole.

    We elect the likes of the Healy Rea's, Wallace, Lowery and many more.

    We are in no position to question Americans and how they vote.


  • #7525
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    BoatMad wrote: »
    the issue of polls is neither or there
    I disagree. Polling figures are incredibly influential on voter turnout and sentiment.

    Some people will always vote for the underdog. Some people will only vote if it looks like their candidate won't win. And so forth.

    Groupthink is incredibly powerful (hey, Trump just got elected; case in point), so polls are in reality another propaganda/campaigning tool that one can use to bolster their chances, if you use them right.

    Imagine an election campaign where publishing polls was illegal in the six months running up to it?


  • #7526
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Imagine an election campaign where publishing polls was illegal in the six months running up to it?

    good idea


  • #7527
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Walter2016 wrote: »
    That was the case a couple of hours ago. Current figures show 200pt drop and improving.

    Markets will be down 30-50% within a week.


  • #7528
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Never underestimated the arrogance of an Irish person.

    We three times elected Bertie and FF on the promise of a continued bubble, we are very close to electing the same FF party that ruined us less than a decade ago.

    We shunded the parties that dug us out of the whole.

    We elect the likes of the Healy Rea's, Wallace, Lowery and many more.

    We are in no position to question Americans and how they vote.

    I'm an Australian.


  • #7529
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Markets will be down 30-50% within a week.

    naw, dont agree actually . there will be a wobble , but thats all , with Clinton and Trump are pro business so I wouldn't expect too much to change


  • #7530
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #7531
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,158 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    BoatMad wrote: »
    naw, dont agree actually . there will be a wobble , but thats all , with Clinton and Trump are pro business so I wouldn't expect too much to change

    I sincerely hope you are right and that I am wrong.


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