Louise O Neill on rape culture.

b_mac2 · 07-11-2016 05:43PM

I can't wait until Europe is under Sharia Law- where all women will have to wear the burka and they won't be allowed to engage at all with men, so that we won't have to worry about these issues anymore.

FortySeven · 07-11-2016 05:49PM

b_mac2 wrote: »

I can't wait until Europe is under Sharia Law- where all women will have to wear the burka and they won't be allowed to engage at all with men, so that we won't have to worry about these issues anymore.

The way things seem to be shaping up it will be the men wearing the burkhas and banned from engagement.

Sheria law.

Dick phelan · 07-11-2016 07:28PM

One major issue around the topic i feel is when both parties are very drunk, why is it the man is deemed more responsible for the actions that take place then the girl? Fair enough maybe a girl can't consent when very drunk but what if the man is also very drunk? It's a very grey area.

suicide_circus · 07-11-2016 07:32PM

and what happens when it's two lads? can only the receptive partner be the rapee?

07-11-2016 07:40PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

and what happens when it's two lads? can only the receptive partner be the rapee?

Don't be absurd. There is no homosexuality in Ireland.

FortySeven · 07-11-2016 07:43PM

The idea of a drunk male being able to correctly judge the state of inebriation of a potential partner is rife with issue yet seems to be happily glossed over.

A woman doesn't have to take responsibility of how drunk she is but I do. Whilst drunk.

osmiumartist · 07-11-2016 08:12PM

ash23 wrote: »

And to be honest when I see the victim blaming posts

Every single last time I see this phrase used nobody has blamed a victim. Like, 100% of instances. Vacuous. It's like the way politicians say "terrorist" and expect everybody to agree by reflex.

osmiumartist · 07-11-2016 08:37PM

Water John wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/rape-consent-cork-jazz-column-jen-hough-3063524-Nov2016/
This is worth a read.

It isn't.
She saw two sexual assaults. In her life.
So anything anybody has ever done in Ireland is now "culture"? Where's the threshold here exactly?
What exactly is accurate about describing this as a "rape culture"?

Wibbs · 07-11-2016 08:44PM

Well in this very thread we've gone from claims of 1 in 4, to 4 in 10, to another claim that every single woman they know has been sexually assaulted.

Wibbs · 07-11-2016 08:49PM

osmiumartist wrote: »

Every single last time I see this phrase used nobody has blamed a victim. Like, 100% of instances. Vacuous. It's like the way politicians say "terrorist" and expect everybody to agree by reflex.

It's a method employed to shut down any discussion by frightening off any dissent however small, so that the mantra de jour goes unchallenged. It doesn't even have to come within an asses roar of actually blaming a victim, just asking questions at all of the narrative or the theory(such as "rape culture" itself) will usually trigger it. It's like any discussion on immigration that doesn't follow the mantra there, again however small, will be followed by as night follows day accusations subtle or overt of racism. Again to the same ends.

Of course racism exists and yes so does victim blaming and most decent people avoid such things so do feel fretful about being accused of going against the tide.

stateofflux · 07-11-2016 09:09PM

As a man i find it quite disturbing that this kind of media (don't get me started on that 'Man Up' Campaign) is becoming the norm, with the pretext being female empowerment in an oppressive male dominated society

the subversive implication is that all Irish men are ticking time bombs that consciously repress the intent to sexually assault a woman.

this is wrong on so many levels and is grossly sexist.

Dr Jakub · 07-11-2016 10:19PM

FortySeven wrote: »

The idea of a drunk male being able to correctly judge the state of inebriation of a potential partner is rife with issue yet seems to be happily glossed over.

A woman doesn't have to take responsibility of how drunk she is but I do. Whilst drunk.

Welcome to 21st century equality

ZeroThreat · 08-11-2016 12:38AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well in this very thread we've gone from claims of 1 in 4, to 4 in 10, to another claim that every single woman they know has been sexually assaulted.

The hysteria is rising to unmanageable levels.

learn_more · 08-11-2016 12:44AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

and what happens when it's two lads? can only the receptive partner be the rapee?

Yeah I've been raped and so to take my revenge I raped him back.

FortySeven · 08-11-2016 12:46AM

learn_more wrote: »

Yeah I've been raped and so to take my revenge I raped him back.

A cultural exchange? Maybe there's some credence in this rape culture idea after all?

learn_more · 08-11-2016 01:01AM

FortySeven wrote: »

A cultural exchange? Maybe there's some credence in this rape culture idea after all?

Yes, we're all just after the ride. Everything else is just posturing. Ride by any means necessary.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-11-2016 06:34AM

Her Twitter page is scary. Reading through some of her stuff. If thats what people find normal no wonder world is going bat crazy

timmy880 · 08-11-2016 08:08AM

This man on The Journal website summed up the thoughts of many. The use of the word culture is what really frustrates in this debate.

To say there is a rape culture is disingenuous to the hundreds of thousands of men in this country (actually, millions) who treat other people with respect when it comes to matters of sex and intimacy.
Rape exists. Sexual assault happens. More than it should, I agree. (One rape being one too many). But to say we have a rape culture is false. Have we a gang crime culture too? We hear enough about it on the news but it doesn’t mean it’s a cultural thing.have we a stabbing culture? Plenty of stabbings lately does not mean we have a stab culture.
People then ask ‘why are men so annoyed when the issue of consent is brought up or talking about rape culture?’
Well because when it is talked about, it’s implied that every man needs to be educated on consent and all men are just one drink too many away from being a rapist.
I call BS on that. As a man who respects all people he comes into contact with, I won’t be spoken to as if I’m a potential rapist. And no, before the obvious backlash, I’m not defending rape, sexual assaults or rapists. I’m saying the idea that there is a rape culture in Ireland suggests that rape and sexual assault is as common and accepted as going for a drink on a Friday. Like a drink culture. Something we probably do have.

darkdubh · 08-11-2016 08:16AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Her Twitter page is scary. Reading through some of her stuff. If thats what people find normal no wonder world is going bat crazy

She must spend an awful lot of time Googling herself. At least half of her Twitter page consists of reviews of her books or the tv doc that she's posted for her followers to fawn over.

timmy880 · 08-11-2016 08:20AM

Another response on thejournal.ie article about rape culture.

I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew the comments would be filled with a load of “#notallmen” whinging.

So men who try to explain themselves are "whingers" and should all accept they're part of the culture problem. How delightful.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-11-2016 08:47AM

I have been to Congo a decade ago and rape there, was seen in much different way to here

If people think its a "culture" here they be in for some shock there where is a every hour occurrence.

mzungu · 08-11-2016 08:53AM

timmy880 wrote: »

Another response on thejournal.ie article about rape culture.

I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew the comments would be filled with a load of “#notallmen” whinging.

So men who try to explain themselves are "whingers" and should all accept they're part of the culture problem. How delightful.

Healthy debate is not allowed, you just have to to unquestioningly accept the mantra

Wibbs · 08-11-2016 09:01AM

timmy880 wrote: »

This man on The Journal website summed up the thoughts of many. The use of the word culture is what really frustrates in this debate.

To say there is a rape culture is disingenuous to the hundreds of thousands of men in this country (actually, millions) who treat other people with respect when it comes to matters of sex and intimacy.
Rape exists. Sexual assault happens. More than it should, I agree. (One rape being one too many). But to say we have a rape culture is false. Have we a gang crime culture too? We hear enough about it on the news but it doesn’t mean it’s a cultural thing.have we a stabbing culture? Plenty of stabbings lately does not mean we have a stab culture.
People then ask ‘why are men so annoyed when the issue of consent is brought up or talking about rape culture?’
Well because when it is talked about, it’s implied that every man needs to be educated on consent and all men are just one drink too many away from being a rapist.
I call BS on that. As a man who respects all people he comes into contact with, I won’t be spoken to as if I’m a potential rapist. And no, before the obvious backlash, I’m not defending rape, sexual assaults or rapists. I’m saying the idea that there is a rape culture in Ireland suggests that rape and sexual assault is as common and accepted as going for a drink on a Friday. Like a drink culture. Something we probably do have.

Crazy that we've gotten to a stage of listening to so many professional hysterics that he has to add the underlined above just in case he gets accused of being a rape apologist.

darkdubh wrote: »

She must spend an awful lot of time Googling herself.

Ohh matron! *Kenneth Williams voice*

At least half of her Twitter page consists of reviews of her books or the tv doc that she's posted for her followers to fawn over.

Of course it does DD, her spiel is a commercial enterprise, she is a professional priestess in the Church of the Perpetual Victim and is keeping her eye squarely on the market.

timmy880 wrote: »

Another response on thejournal.ie article about rape culture.

I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew the comments would be filled with a load of “#notallmen” whinging.

So men who try to explain themselves are "whingers" and should all accept they're part of the culture problem. How delightful.

As I keep noting go back to the basic commandment and basis for belief of this generation's "feminism"; Women are always victims, men are always to blame. Nothing they come out with and I mean nothing disagrees with this worldview.

Zulu · 08-11-2016 09:13AM

mzungu wrote: »

Healthy debate is not allowed, you just have to to unquestioningly accept the mantra

Carefull now, you sound like you're suggesting a thoughtcrime.

...And Femspeak won't tolerate this crimethink unless of course it's the doublethink that supports the Femspeak agenda.

seamus · 08-11-2016 09:15AM

FortySeven wrote: »

The idea of a drunk male being able to correctly judge the state of inebriation of a potential partner is rife with issue yet seems to be happily glossed over.

A woman doesn't have to take responsibility of how drunk she is but I do. Whilst drunk.

This is actually part of the same old inequality because it assumes that men are "in control" and women are not.

Whereas true feminists would be aghast at the idea that a woman in such a scenario does not share equal responsibility.

This is because absolving women of responsibility is the exact same mindset that had them bundled into Magdalene laundries and their children taken from them. If you have no responsibility for your actions, then you also have no authority over your life.

This is a social problem, it's just that nu-feminism tends to gloss over it because they're less interested in equal rights than they are in hating men.

It's hard for the actual feminists who want both the good and the bad of equal rights, because they get bundled into the same bracket as the hypocrites like Louise O'Neill, and as a result their good work gets ignored.

Zulu · 08-11-2016 09:15AM

timmy880 wrote: »

So men who try to explain themselves are "whingers" and should all accept they're part of the culture problem. How delightful.

...when they're not mansplaining at least.

Widdershins · 08-11-2016 09:23AM

Zulu wrote: »

...when they're not mansplaining at least.

I'm the daughter of a mansplainer. I was condescended to throughout my childhood and I still grit my teeth when I have to humour it as an adult. My father mightn't openly state it -he's not stupid-but he doesn't approve of women driving cars ot working.. he thinks women shouldn't handle anything difficult or important. And he's not an elderly man now.

I doubt if he's the only one but it's been rare enough throughout my life that it always shocks me anew when I speak to my father and notice him doing it. Some of the instances given as examples on the internet strike me as misunderstandings and I do think it's overhyped.

conorhal · 08-11-2016 09:39AM

timmy880 wrote: »

Another response on thejournal.ie article about rape culture.

I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew the comments would be filled with a load of “#notallmen” whinging.

So men who try to explain themselves are "whingers" and should all accept they're part of the culture problem. How delightful.

That's not an atypical response either, which would suggest that if any particularly 'culture' exists, it's a culture of instantly dismissing and demonizing men. If you're a man experiencing abuse, psychologial trauma or any difficulty really the general response is laughter from a certian quater, because you frankly can go an swing (and a depressing number of men do).

MeatTwoVeg · 08-11-2016 09:52AM

Not sure what's more funny, the 'rape culture hysterics' or the 'all the western white men are being discriminated against' lot.

Sonics2k · 08-11-2016 10:14AM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

Not sure what's more funny, the 'rape culture hysterics' or the 'all the western white men are being discriminated against' lot.

Honestly, anyone who says and believes either of these two things is an absolute moron.

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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