2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Inquitus · 06-11-2016 08:36PM

Calina wrote: »

I really think the US is screwed when I look at the level of debate of Trump supporters.

The US is completely screwed, it needs some Bernie to sort it out, social welfare, good free, or close to free, education for all, Jobs that pay a living wage. At the moment well over half the country is just being left behind, blue collar jobs that pay well don't exist any more, more and more people falling into the poverty bucket, it's a terrible place altogether imho, I have spent about 5 months there the past 18 months with work, visiting various places from the deep south to up near the Canadian border, and outside of the big cities on either coast, huge chunks of it are just a disaster.

Iceboy · 06-11-2016 08:39PM

People are afraid of what Trump might do when he is president rather than be worried what Hillary has already done as SoS. I don't understand people's logic.

Nody · 06-11-2016 08:48PM

Iceboy wrote: »

People are afraid of what Trump might do when he is president rather than be worried what Hillary has already done as SoS. I don't understand people's logic.

How about you enjoy Thunderfoot's summary then of the candidates; that should give you plenty of examples:

It includes the actual interviews with Trump stating how great Hillary is, how unfair the attacks on her has been, how great she has been as a politician and how much she has achieved, how he was going to handpick the teachers for Trump University, Trump admitting to watching underage girls, the number of failed business he's run, the number of failed lawsuits he's run where he'd not step settle (and then settled anyway), the number of failed lawsuits where he got ruled against, him admitting to bribing politicians, how his VP believes in creationism, how he believes in autism from vaccines which has zero actual medical studies backing it up and that's only some of the issues and plenty more in the video. All with Trump actually stating the information and facts rather than some made up conspiracy source this is from Trump's own mouth...

How about that for a starters?

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 08:49PM

In fairness to Hillary, she did say she deleted emails about her daughters wedding.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/emails-foundation-resources-used-for-chelsea-clintons-wedding/article/2606615

TheOven · 06-11-2016 08:56PM

Iceboy wrote: »

People are afraid of what Trump might do when he is president rather than be worried what Hillary has already done as SoS. I don't understand people's logic.

Of course people are more afraid of what someone plans on doing rather than what they have already done. No wonder you don't understand people's logic when you come out with stuff like that and infowars. You need to understand the concept of logic first.

Overheal · 06-11-2016 08:56PM

Iceboy wrote: »

People are afraid of what Trump might do when he is president rather than be worried what Hillary has already done as SoS. I don't understand people's logic.

What did she do that was so reprehensible

aloyisious · 06-11-2016 08:59PM

The polls are so different in their estimates.....

The link below has a range of poll results from newspapers etc and there are stark differences between them on Hillary V Don in Michigan. The LA Times has D @ 48 to H @ 43 in the general election. There are differences state to state, Ohio and Florida has H just BEHIND D in the CBS/YouGov polls while the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch has H 1 point ahead of D.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQntGz8ZTQAhXnL8AKHSNECZQQFggqMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fepolls%2Flatest_polls%2F&usg=AFQjCNGhpWDXMkKAZJIW1PLkKgTbkXgmcg

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:03PM

Overheal wrote: »

What did she do that was so reprehensible

Benghazi cover up is one example.

KP = attack survivor Kris Paronto

"RT: Obviously, you think people have lied, mistakes were made. What’s important for the public to find out?"

"KP: First of all, listen to the guys that are on the ground. Listen to the team that was there. Listen to the guys that sacrificed their lives. Listen to the guys that bled there. Listen to the family members who on multiple occasions said that Hillary did lie to them and that she went on TV and called them liars. I think that’s a travesty. I think you’ve got a very bad person, and it’s my opinion, that’s running for president that’s got the democratic nomination. I think she is trying to cover this up because it could have a very negative and it still is having a very negative effect on her becoming the president of the US, which I’m against. I would say that with honesty, I’m against her becoming the president of the US. Failures were made and there is no reason to think that those failures or some more failures won’t be made if she becomes president of the US and people’s lives will be lost again they are going to get covered up."

Source: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/346092-hillary-clinton-benghazi-attack/

Nody · 06-11-2016 09:05PM

Also it just struck me that Trump would be a great boon for UK if elected; finally there will be a bigger baboon spouting more **** than Boris out there to write about so UK will once again be able to feel like USA light with each having **** talkers making fools of themselves consistently in international press so they can get "their special relationship" back on track.

Overheal · 06-11-2016 09:11PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Benghazi cover up is one example.

KP = attack survivor Kris Paronto

"RT: Obviously, you think people have lied, mistakes were made. What’s important for the public to find out?"

"KP: First of all, listen to the guys that are on the ground. Listen to the team that was there. Listen to the guys that sacrificed their lives. Listen to the guys that bled there. Listen to the family members who on multiple occasions said that Hillary did lie to them and that she went on TV and called them liars. I think that’s a travesty. I think you’ve got a very bad person, and it’s my opinion, that’s running for president that’s got the democratic nomination. I think she is trying to cover this up because it could have a very negative and it still is having a very negative effect on her becoming the president of the US, which I’m against. I would say that with honesty, I’m against her becoming the president of the US. Failures were made and there is no reason to think that those failures or some more failures won’t be made if she becomes president of the US and people’s lives will be lost again they are going to get covered up."

Source: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/346092-hillary-clinton-benghazi-attack/

She's told some porkies. So have a lot of politicians. So has Donald Trump - loads of them. But as Secretary of State say, was she worse than Rumsfeld who got us into a war o false pretenses that has cost the taxpayer trillions and bred a whole new generation of terrorist? I don't think so.

If the metric you're arguing here is she's an unqualified liar, then frankly nobody in contention is fit to be president.

cnocbui · 06-11-2016 09:11PM

Iceboy wrote: »

I really think the US is screwed if they elect a person who is currently under FBI investigation...for a second time

Because people are guilty until proven innocent. You just made the case for the previous posters argument.

It's more a case of of Hillary being drive-by-innuendoed by a registered Republican who is head of the FBI. I will be slightly surprised if he himself isn't investigated for illegal behaviour in breaching the Hatch act.

Since she was exonerated by the first FBI effort, that is proof of no wrongdoing, so referring to it as if it means the opposite is just mischievous.

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:12PM

Overheal wrote: »

She's told some porkies. So have a lot of politicians. So has Donald Trump - loads of them. But as Secretary of State say, was she worse than Rumsfeld who got us into a war o false pretenses that has cost the taxpayer trillions and bred a whole new generation of terrorist? I don't think so.

If the metric you're arguing here is she's an unqualified liar, then frankly nobody in contention is fit to be president.

I believe lying to victims families then going on television and calling them liars is more than just "porkies".

aloyisious · 06-11-2016 09:13PM

I don't trust J and Wikileaks as they are as capable of messing around and being creative with what they have allegedly found in respect of HRC, as much as others are when it comes to Don. Anyone who accepts what J and Wikileaks publish as HRC's emails being as original as the day they were sent is allowing J and Wikileaks to pull the wool over their eyes. It's well worth being sceptical about Wikileaks info.

We all know neither HRC nor Don are clean. However J and wikileaks have made it obvious they have an agenda, to use a worn-out phrase. They are out for HRC's blood. If they were interested in ensuring the election had the best and the brightest, they would have gone after Don as well and ensured way in advance that neither would have even got as far as the nominations, let alone being the two prime candidates.

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:15PM

More "porkies" from Clinton.

Nody · 06-11-2016 09:15PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I believe lying to victims families then going on television and calling them liars is more than just "porkies".

And what do you call Colins presentation (on behalf of Bush) to the UN of the proof of VMDs in Iraq? Or a draft dodger belittling American prisoners of war for being shot down?

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:18PM

Nody wrote: »

And what do you call Colins presentation (on behalf of Bush) to the UN of the proof of VMDs in Iraq? Or a draft dodger belittling American prisoners of war for being shot down?

Does that make it right or acceptable? Bush administration, in my view, was a disaster.

Overheal · 06-11-2016 09:20PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I believe lying to victims families then going on television and calling them liars is more than just "porkies".

I think going on television and - well, anything Donald trump says, more than just porkies. Recent example makes the blood boil a tinge.

What actually happened

In terms of lies I don't see how hers are any worse than her opponents to be fair. People make it out like her lies will start WW3

Nody · 06-11-2016 09:23PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Does that make it right or acceptable? Bush administration, in my view, was a disaster.

The point being that claiming that this is somehow unique to Hillary is hilarious; every single politician inc. Hillary, Trump etc. does it. So why is it suddenly a huge issue if Hillary does it but Trump should get a pass on it? Either it's an issue which would disqualify both candidates or it's not; don't claim it for one side only.

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:24PM

How can you even compare lying to victims families, going on national TV and calling them liars and lying in a federal investigation to Trump saying Obama was shouting at a protester at a rally. If anything that clip shows the lack of respect Obama's own followers have for him.

Nody · 06-11-2016 09:28PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

How can you even compare lying to victims families, and lying in a federal investigation to Trump saying Obama was shouting at a protester at a rally. If anything that clip shows the lack of respect Obama's own followers have for him.

You want to talk disrespect for victims? How about we talk about Trump and the Khan family then? Or his draft dodging? Or "only weak people get mental health issues from war"? Seriously; you're giving me an open goal here if that's the best complaint you can do.

Overheal · 06-11-2016 09:29PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

How can you even compare lying to victims families, and lying in a federal investigation to Trump saying Obama was shouting at a protester at a rally. If anything that clip shows the lack of respect Obama's own followers have for him.

Oh victims families got it have a Trump answer for that too

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-family-controversy/index.html?client=safari

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Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:33PM

When you have to include GIF's in your retort it's not worth responding to.

BorneTobyWilde · 06-11-2016 09:34PM

We hear a lot about early voting and fact the turnout is huge, but we also hear the media say it was all for Hillary and that a blue wall is forming. My question is do we actually know who the early voters voted for?

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2016 09:34PM

Nody wrote: »

You want to talk disrespect for victims? How about we talk about Trump and the Khan family then? Or his draft dodging? Or "only weak people get mental health issues from war"? Seriously; you're giving me an open goal here if that's the best complaint you can do.

Oh I agree with you, but I believe what Clinton did regarding Benghazi and lying in a federal investigation was far worse.

cnocbui · 06-11-2016 09:36PM

Just on BBC news - FBI says nothing in the latest email saga changes their earlier conclusion exonerating Clinton.

Itssoeasy · 06-11-2016 09:37PM

Sky news are reporting that FBI director James comey has said that an examination of Hilary clintons emails has found "no evidence of criminal wrongdoing."

Trump is going to lose it. He went hard and heavy on the email story since they got the new emails.

Sofa Spud · 06-11-2016 09:41PM

Overheal wrote: »

Oh victims families got it have a Trump answer for that too

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-family-controversy/index.html?client=safari

Why, Overheal, why?!!? It took years to get this out of my head and you dump it in here the day we win 6-1???

Overheal · 06-11-2016 09:43PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

When you have to include GIF's in your retort it's not worth responding to.

I don't have to. The attack on the Khan family supports itself. But she whatever fickle reason needed to evade the subject

Overheal · 06-11-2016 09:44PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Oh I agree with you, but I believe what Clinton did regarding Benghazi and lying in a federal investigation was far worse.

If she has she isn't being brought up on charges.

Overheal · 06-11-2016 09:45PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Sky news are reporting that FBI director James comey has said that an examination of Hilary clintons emails has found "no evidence of criminal wrongdoing."

Trump is going to lose it. He went hard and heavy on the email story since they got the new emails.

hes going to keep going at it. Ya mad? "Crooked FBI" "rigged election" rabble rabble etc. - facts haven't stopped him before why would they now?

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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