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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #6152
    constitutionus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    How so? Last two polls I've seen have her increasing her margin from 2 - 5%....


    its on CNN just now.

    their polling has them down to within 4 points from 6 and both clintons and barak are legging it there now stump up support.


  • #6153
    Omy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭Omy


    constitutionus wrote: »
    looking like ILLarys lost michigan.

    How so? Would love to see the evidence.


  • #6154
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    constitutionus wrote: »
    its on CNN just now.

    their polling has them down to within 4 points from 6 and both clintons and barak are legging it there now stump up support.

    Hardly means she's lost it and it's fairly standard practice to visit the bigger states to shore up support in the final run...


  • #6155
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    constitutionus wrote: »
    its on CNN just now.

    their polling has them down to within 4 points from 6 and both clintons and barak are legging it there now stump up support.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/michigan/
    He presently has a 25% chance of winning Michigan.


  • #6156
    Omy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭Omy


    constitutionus wrote: »
    its on CNN just now.

    their polling has them down to within 4 points from 6 and both clintons and barak are legging it there now stump up support.

    You said "looking like ILLarys lost michigan." now you saying she is still ahead by 4 points, I agree it's within the margin but your statement she has last that state is incorrect, it may be correct to say trump is gaining ground but it's incorrect to say she has lost.


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  • #6157
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    Agree with your point re third level funding, but I fear it's a bit more than that - no offense intended to our American cousins, but there seems to be a dearth of critical thinking in their country that is compounded by simplistic, almost childish, media reporting on politics.
    How often have you seen or read detailed policy discussions?
    How often have you seen or read reportage that could be objectively regarded as non-partisan?
    Does nuance even exist anymore in political discourse, or is everything boiled down into simplistic soundbites or twitter friendly emotive outbursts?
    The road from where they are to a functioning democracy is long and improbable...

    There is a dearth of critical thinking. But this is something can be taught. In fact I'm a firm believer it's one of the most important things you can teach.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #6158
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    Brian? wrote: »
    There is a dearth of critical thinking. But this is something can be taught. In fact I'm a firm believer it's one of the most important things you can teach.

    Again, Brian, I totally agree, but it takes more than teaching - it needs a culture to exist in where facts and journalistic integrity are respected.

    In a time when most media is just an echo chamber, the 'quality' media is having to compete in an environment where the momentum is a race to the bottom, where celebrity and cat video's are king and facts are just opinions that can be ignored and opinions become facts, it's hard to see how critical thinking can thrive...

    Edit: That seems a bit negative, just feels that critical thinking has been effectively extinguished and it's hard to see how it could be revived and supported, but I'm with ye, it can be taught.


  • #6159
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He was live on sky new the other day at a rally, looked like it was in a barn and I would say the place was about 60% empty.

    That's pretty much what happened up here at Pickens when he came to the ag center. He filled half the place but his supplied folks up by the flag that came in from a bus and he only accomplished to kick out one of our professors for being too brown and stinking up traffic for hours along a pretty necessary arterial highway in the area.


  • #6160
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    Again, Brian, I totally agree, but it takes more than teaching - it needs a culture to exist in where facts and journalistic integrity are respected.

    In a time when most media is just an echo chamber, the 'quality' media is having to compete in an environment where the momentum is a race to the bottom, where celebrity and cat video's are king and facts are just opinions that can be ignored and opinions become facts, it's hard to see how critical thinking can thrive...

    Edit: That seems a bit negative, just feels that critical thinking has been effectively extinguished and it's hard to see how it could be revived and supported, but I'm with ye, it can be taught.

    This whole election should be used as a teaching tool.

    Critical thinking, bias, fact checking, YouTube videos etc.


  • #6161
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    brickmauser wrote: »
    I challenge you to fact check everything I said.
    Abbedin is imbedded with the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Why was Clinton on Epstein's rape plane and rape island?
    Why is Podesta mixed up with the Serbian witch?
    Why is Hillary associating with these freaks?
    Why is she talking money while Secretary of State from rich Arabs and at the same time jihadists - trained in Jordan by US special forces or released from Gitmo - are running amok?

    Work it out genius

    That isn't how it works around here. The onus is on the poster to provide back up, not others to verify it for you.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #6162
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    badabing106 wrote: »
    The Clintons connected to a massive child trafficking and pedophile sex ring operating within Washington, D.C ?


    http://pastebin.com/36Q0yKSM

    Mod:

    Links to 4chan?

    That doesn't cut it as a source around here.

    There has been a noticeable drop in standards for sources lately, as a guide infowars, Alex Jones and stuff like the above do not meet those standards. We've a conspiracy theory forum on the site for stuff like that.

    I know trying to enforce a basic level of quality in political discussion is old hat and boring, but there's is a plethora of sites for slurry spreading in the Internet, this board isn't one of them.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #6163
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    K-9 wrote: »
    Mod:

    Links to 4chan?

    That doesn't cut it as a source around here.

    There has been a noticeable drop in standards for sources lately, as a guide infowars, Alex Jones and stuff like the above do not meet those standards. We've a conspiracy theory forum on the site for stuff like that.

    I know trying to enforce a basic level of quality in political discussion is old hat and boring, but there's is a plethora of sites for slurry spreading in the Internet, this board isn't one of them.

    Plus that's a cut and dry piece of garbage for internet trolls to copy and paste everywhere.


  • #6164
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,888 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Trump's closing ad being slammed by the ADL and other anti-Semitic watchdogs as blatantly anti-Semitic: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-rolls-out-anti-semitic-closing-ad

    Just re-using the meme he got from the Breitbart intelligentsia or his friends on the 'alt-right'

    Just in time for an election that might hinge on Florida. Trump's campaign is really the gang that couldn't shoot straight.


  • #6165
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    I'd like to see judge Jeanine as attorney general! Absolutely telling it like it is, unfortunately there are so many blind sheep that refuse to see HRC for the corrupt, lying beast she is and the implications of her becoming president.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKENmAPiDGs


  • #6166
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Iceboy wrote: »
    I'd like to see judge Jeanine as attorney general! Absolutely telling it like it is, unfortunately there are so many blind sheep that refuse to see HRC for the corrupt, lying beast she is and the implications of her becoming president.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKENmAPiDGs

    I would like you to post evidence about your claims of John Oliver. We can't all get what we want. I am taking your ignorant of these requests as an admission that, much like anonymous and wikileaks, you have absolutely nothing except for random accusations and hope.


  • #6167
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    I'd like to see judge Jeanine as attorney general! Absolutely telling it like it is, unfortunately there are so many blind sheep that refuse to see HRC for the corrupt, lying beast she is and the implications of her becoming president.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKENmAPiDGs

    Are you just doing this for a laugh?

    You seem to have a very strange process of evaluating information.

    Pretty much any theory about 'the lying beast' is fired out as fact but then people on the other side are 'blind sheep'.

    Aside from being insulting, it's a bit disingenuous.

    But in fairness I could be wrong and you could be very stringent in your analysis of everything you read.

    Out of curiosity, are there any anti-Hillary rumours thrown out there in the last 3 weeks that you DON'T believe??


  • #6168
    TheOven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    Iceboy wrote: »
    unfortunately there are so many blind sheep that refuse to see HRC for the corrupt, lying beast she is and the implications of her becoming president.

    Many people think she lies and is corrupt. Luckily for her she is running against Trump who is hardly an honest man.


  • #6169
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I would like you to post evidence about your claims of John Oliver. We can't all get what we want. I am taking your ignorant of these requests as an admission that, much like anonymous and wikileaks, you have absolutely nothing except for random accusations and hope.

    Two emails Tying John to the DNC

    1)http://dcleaks.com/emails/cApR/html/Clinton_Foundation/00001237.EML.html

    2)http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/oliver-email-3.jpg

    https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55619

    Now can we please discuss more important matters than biased "comedian" John Oliver..


  • #6170
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Two emails Tying John to the DNC

    1)http://dcleaks.com/emails/cApR/html/Clinton_Foundation/00001237.EML.html

    2)http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/oliver-email-3.jpg

    https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55619

    Now can we please discuss more important matters than biased "comedian" John Oliver..

    OK, I'll bite - what exactly is it that you think those email show?


  • #6171
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Two emails Tying John to the DNC

    1)http://dcleaks.com/emails/cApR/html/Clinton_Foundation/00001237.EML.html

    2)http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/oliver-email-3.jpg

    https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55619

    Now can we please discuss more important matters than biased "comedian" John Oliver..

    One of those ends with "coincidence you be the judge". Not even they are claiming they have solid evidence for this. It shows that certainly the DNC contacted him but nothing further about a reply from him.

    You posted up this claim and it took at least 3 posts from me and more from others to get this far so no we can't move on. You keep posting up claims with tenuous links and claims without any back up and are being rightly called on it. Shockingly when you keep switching topics as soon as you get called on something it gets taken as a hint that the rest of your posts are also full of ****.


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  • #6172
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Two emails Tying John to the DNC

    1)http://dcleaks.com/emails/cApR/html/Clinton_Foundation/00001237.EML.html

    2)http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/oliver-email-3.jpg

    https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55619

    Now can we please discuss more important matters than biased "comedian" John Oliver..

    Hmmm so Oliver's name is in a mail along with prominent conservative commentators.

    But Oliver's in league with HRC.

    Doesn't the same logic apply to everyone on that list now?


  • #6173
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    OK, I'll bite - what exactly is it that you think those email show?

    *Facepalm*

    John Oliver has attacked every single presidential candidate visiciously on his show besides ever mentioniong a certain Hilary Clinton, he has devoted hours to attacking Trump and even had segments slating Green Party candidate Jill Stein and Libertarian Gary Johnson, but absolutely nothing on Hilary and her email scandal..zero,nada zilch.

    Does it really take a genius to put together the very obvious bias/collusion John Oliver has with the DNC.

    Anyway, I refuse to talk about John Oliver anymore with just a few days to go until the election, their are far more important issues that can be discussed here like what is going on with the latest wikileaks and FBI investigation


  • #6174
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    Iceboy wrote: »
    *Facepalm*

    John Oliver has attacked every single presidential candidate visiciously on his show besides ever mentioniong a certain Hilary Clinton, he has devoted hours to attacking Trump and even had segments slating Green Party candidate Jill Stein and Libertarian Gary Johnson, but absolutely nothing on Hilary and her email scandal..zero,nada zilch.

    Does it really take a genius to put together the very obvious bias/collusion John Oliver has with the DNC.

    Anyway, I refuse to talk about John Oliver anymore with just a few days to go until the election, their are far more important issues that can be discussed here like what is going on with the latest wikileaks and FBI dumps

    Not sure what to respond with - you were eager to talk about John Oliver up to a few mins ago, and now there are more important issues to discuss?
    Does not really add a lot of credibility to whatever point it was you were trying to make.


  • #6175
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Iceboy wrote: »
    I'd like to see judge Jeanine as attorney general! Absolutely telling it like it is, unfortunately there are so many blind sheep that refuse to see HRC for the corrupt, lying beast she is and the implications of her becoming president.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKENmAPiDGs

    I'd like to see you respond to my critique of one of your earlier fly-bye garbage dumps before coming back for another try.


  • #6176
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    All of Hillary's supporters need to do honestly is just look back at what Michelle and Barack Obama were saying about Hillary in 2008. Hillary hasn't changed and Trump is basically saying what Obama has been saying in 2008 only they've switched to campaigning for her and now Obama has the nerve to say "Shes the most qualified person to run for president in HISTORY!!"

    Politics at it's finest, These people lie and say anything to get what they want.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqD8-a-REQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESHzW0arRo


  • #6177
    conditioned games
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    I previously wondered why John Oliver was so pro Hillary, with his connections to the Democratic party it looks like he is another paid troll


  • #6178
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    All of Hillary's supporters need to do honestly is just look back at what Michelle and Barack Obama were saying about Hillary in 2008. Hillary hasn't changed and Trump is basically saying what Obama has been saying in 2008 only they've switched to campaigning for her and now Obama has the nerve to say "Shes the most qualified person to run for president in HISTORY!!"

    Politics at it's finest, These people lie and say anything to get what they want.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqD8-a-REQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESHzW0arRo

    OK I get it. You have an intolerance for lies.

    But what about Trump's investigators in Hawaii and the times Trump spoke about what a great woman Hillary was?


  • #6179
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    I really think the US is screwed when I look at the level of debate of Trump supporters.


  • #6180
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Calina wrote: »
    I really think the US is screwed when I look at the level of debate of Trump supporters.

    I really think the US is screwed if they elect a person who is currently under FBI investigation...for a second time


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  • #6181
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Iceboy wrote: »
    I really think the US is screwed if they elect a person who is currently under FBI investigation...for a second time

    Come back to me when Trump is not the subject of a fraud case. That's 28 November. It's a bit more immediate and concrete than a wishy washy pile of froth which is what the FBI current investigation is.


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