Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Noddy33 · 31-10-2016 08:51PM

My own opinion is that James Gannon from Ballyragget has been the best club full back.I know he not the tallest but he still catches an awful amount of ball over taller opponents.Dalton has only moved to full back for the shocks since the last game as in most games previous to that he was playing on the wing but as mentioned ship has sailed with dalton.Unfortunately there no outstanding candidates out there which is huge worry.

Tobin wouldn't be the most prolific forward alrite but still is very capable of scoring them all the same and is accurate from long range.He a very good ball winner too and think his best position could be midfield and genuinely think he worth a chance

Topcat32 · 01-11-2016 12:35AM

brookville wrote: »

Forristal hurled well what age is he?huw lawlor and paddy deegan both hurled well and could make it in time.it'll be intresting to see who olg nominate as captain it'll probaly be bergin but he'll struggle to make the team next year...it has being a poor enough championship with no real standout players.luke scanlon hurled well against olg and chris bolger was claras main man.the two corner backs for shamrocks hurled well

I always thought that Darren Mullen looks a great prospect and its great to see him playing senior club hurling, was by far the best player when the minors were hammered by Dublin in 2014, then did a cruciate and missed the all ireland win, was still minor this year, lots of ups and downs for him so far with 2 cruciate injuries, been beaten in replays and after extra time at minor intercounty level and now losing the club final, hopefully he can stay fit and push on over the next few years, playing with the Shamrocks should be a big help with that.

dubcat51 · 01-11-2016 12:24PM

Agree totally that darren mullan could be an option going forward.played well on sunday.

robwen · 01-11-2016 04:06PM

Any successful red card appeals from the Shocks Tullaroan game?

Noddy33 · 01-11-2016 04:21PM

robwen wrote: »

Any successful red card appeals from the Shocks Tullaroan game?

The hearings are tonight. The referees report only came through last Thursday and report stated that both red cards were for Striking. Video footage from match would suggest that there was no evidence of any striking........

dobbs2210 · 01-11-2016 11:29PM

Noddy33 wrote: »

The hearings are tonight. The referees report only came through last Thursday and report stated that both red cards were for Striking. Video footage from match would suggest that there was no evidence of any striking........

Both red cards were rescinded tonight by the appeals committee...

Formosa · 02-11-2016 09:42AM

blackcard wrote: »

Interesting to see which OLG players will be on the Kilkenny Panel and, by extension, in contention to captain the Cats next year. Has Mark Kelly ruled himself out? If so, you would say that Mark Bergin, Paddy Deegan and Huw Lawlor might make the panel with Bergin being named as captain though none of these would be favourite to start at the moment.

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danganabu · 02-11-2016 02:04PM

This isn't the first time this has arisen in KK, surely time to dispense with this tradition.

The concept was used in all counties at one time and was seen as a just reward and honour for the club involved, but surely since the introduction of the All Ireland Club Championships the reward of representing your county on this stage is sufficient.

I think the actual role of a captain is greatly exaggerated anyway and the only real responsibility is with the media etc. all teams should have multiple 'leaders' on the field regardless of who wears the armband.

Realt Dearg Sec · 02-11-2016 02:15PM

danganabu wrote: »

This isn't the first time this has arisen in KK, surely time to dispense with this tradition.

The concept was used in all counties at one time and was seen as a just reward and honour for the club involved, but surely since the introduction of the All Ireland Club Championships the reward of representing your county on this stage is sufficient.

I think the actual role of a captain is greatly exaggerated anyway and the only real responsibility is with the media etc. all teams should have multiple 'leaders' on the field regardless of who wears the armband.

I agree with all of this but I won't have a tipp man telling us what's what. Stick with the counter productive tradition I say!!!

Also great for Buckley, lovely to see a boro man lead the team, think he'll rise to the responsibility.

Martin567 · 02-11-2016 02:27PM

Formosa wrote: »

I see O'Loughlins have announced that they are nominating Cillian Buckley for the Kilkenny team captaincy next year, as they said that they don't have any "panellists or potential panellists with the requisite experience to shoulder the responsibility that comes with the role"

Hopefully this will lay down a marker for future champions who find themselves in a similar position. It should have been done on several occasions over the years. Well done to O'Loughlins.

Lots of all time great Kilkenny players of very recent times never had an opportunity to be captain. I'm thinking of Noel Hickey, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh, Eddie Brennan, Richie Power, etc. Even some of those who really merited being captain, such as Jackie Tyrell, Michael Fennelly & TJ Reid, had the role very early in their careers rather than later when they were more experienced.

Cillian Buckley is a good choice although I would have chosen either Paul Murphy or Richie Hogan. Their chances of getting it in the future would appear to be far slimmer than Cillian's.

Realt Dearg Sec · 02-11-2016 03:15PM

Olg keeping it city

Charlie69 · 02-11-2016 04:18PM

Formosa wrote: »

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So is this not true then???

JaffaP · 02-11-2016 07:46PM

Charlie69 wrote: »

So is this not true then???

There's more chance of Lord Lucan captaining Kilkenny next year than there is of Loughlins nominating a Boro man.

brookville · 03-11-2016 05:14PM

I've heard that pat hoban is stepping down from minor management.This year was obvously a dissapointment but he brought two teams to semi finals that went on to win the all ireland while also winning the final in 14.i know he has his critics but he done a fine job.could he be in line for a role with the u21?when are the managers for various grades going to be confirmed does anyone know?david herity will be part of the dublin backroom team helping out the goalie while pj ryan will do the same with wexford.best of luck to them both

ttowncat · 03-11-2016 09:17PM

Also I've heard this week that the KK county board have changed the underage levels for next year 2017- that U12 will now be U13 and U14 will now be U15. Does anyone know if its true that the minor is changed to U17 and what about the U21?

At the last National GAA Convention Congress thing they passed that.." the age limit for inter-county minor football and hurling will be reduced from U18 to U17. It proposes that all minor players at inter-county level be aged between 15 and 17 and at club level, between 14 and 18. It will become effective from January 1, 2018. Minor will remain U18 at club level" and that.."The passing of the motion means the following: the U21 grade at inter-county football level will be replaced with an U20 grade, with players eligible to be aged between 18 and 20. It proposes no such change to the U21 grade for hurling, or at club level, in either code."
http://www.gaa.ie/news/major-changes-for-underage-grades-after-key-motions-pass/

So if KK are making minor club U17 does anyone know what plans there are for meaningful competitive hurling for lads 17+ ? I think it's great and all that U17minor won't get in the way of the leaving cert etc but it's hard enough to keep lads hurling post minor when they discover drink, girls and college without moving it down to 17. Unless a lad is very talented or is from a small club he hasn't much meaningful hurling lined up after U17minor until he bulks up enough to make a men's club team- so what is meant to keep him committed in the mean time? junior B? Winter U21 hurling?

Topcat32 · 03-11-2016 10:07PM

ttowncat wrote: »

Also I've heard this week that the KK county board have changed the underage levels for next year 2017- that U12 will now be U13 and U14 will now be U15. Does anyone know if its true that the minor is changed to U17 and what about the U21?

At the last National GAA Convention Congress thing they passed that.." the age limit for inter-county minor football and hurling will be reduced from U18 to U17. It proposes that all minor players at inter-county level be aged between 15 and 17 and at club level, between 14 and 18. It will become effective from January 1, 2018. Minor will remain U18 at club level" and that.."The passing of the motion means the following: the U21 grade at inter-county football level will be replaced with an U20 grade, with players eligible to be aged between 18 and 20. It proposes no such change to the U21 grade for hurling, or at club level, in either code."
http://www.gaa.ie/news/major-changes-for-underage-grades-after-key-motions-pass/

So if KK are making minor club U17 does anyone know what plans there are for meaningful competitive hurling for lads 17+ ? I think it's great and all that U17minor won't get in the way of the leaving cert etc but it's hard enough to keep lads hurling post minor when they discover drink, girls and college without moving it down to 17. Unless a lad is very talented or is from a small club he hasn't much meaningful hurling lined up after U17minor until he bulks up enough to make a men's club team- so what is meant to keep him committed in the mean time? junior B? Winter U21 hurling?

The quality of minor intercounty hurling will be highly diluted by this change, with senior schools and freshers collages being significantly better competitions. Which makes it unfair on a player who goes to a small country school and who doesnt go to collage.

In the natural course of things a lot of players leave the game after minor due to emigration, work pressure or in bigger clubs just not being good enough to progress to another team, 18 is a much more natural cut off point than 17 due to the way our school system works now and I feel it is not a good thing for our game to take players out of it 1 year earlier

JJs Left Hand · 03-11-2016 11:55PM

Where did you hear any of that? I've been told nothing by the club and I've been involved in underage coaching for the last 5/6 years so if the club Bord na nOg knew then I'd know at this stage.

Kilkenny host the U14 Feile next year as well so I would think it's unlikely that they'd change the age groups now.

Also, if that did happen and this ****ing Go Games ****e gets extended from U12 to U13s I'm going to lose the plot altogether. We must be one of the only counties that doesn't have a competitive U12 structure during the summer, leaving it to the clubs to organise their own games. Go Games are 6 weeks long and after that the County Board don't organise anything. I think it's a joke

Nedflanders02 · 04-11-2016 09:20AM

I don't think they've changed anything yet but there was a discussion at the last county board meeting about changing minor to U-17 to make it in line with the new changes to minor at inter-county. They're talking about changing U-14 to U-15, minor to U-17 and also bringing in an U-19 competition as they felt the gap from U-17 to U-21 would be too high. I'd imagine that any of these changes would have to be approved at the county convention,

danganabu · 04-11-2016 01:15PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

I don't think they've changed anything yet but there was a discussion at the last county board meeting about changing minor to U-17 to make it in line with the new changes to minor at inter-county. They're talking about changing U-14 to U-15, minor to U-17 and also bringing in an U-19 competition as they felt the gap from U-17 to U-21 would be too high. I'd imagine that any of these changes would have to be approved at the county convention,

All seems perfectly logical, which of course generally means in the GAA that it won't happen! Of course this is something that should automatically happen in every county, the very idea of not aligning club and intercounty age groups is beyond farcical.

unrealtime · 05-11-2016 03:55AM

To get four All Stars was brilliant even though one could make a good case for each of them. We still have a good basis given that we add Murphy, Fogarty Buckley and Reid to those stars - and hopefully Fennelly.

digzy · 05-11-2016 12:34PM

unrealtime wrote: »

To get four All Stars was brilliant even though one could make a good case for each of them. We still have a good basis given that we add Murphy, Fogarty Buckley and Reid to those stars - and hopefully Fennelly.

I really can't understand the moaning about the team. Those players will be back next year. Paul Murphy is a top rb. Tactically Cody made an error in allowing his fb line to get exposed against us in the final. Holden was an all star last year!

Think Walter Walsh is completely underrated. When on form he's unstoppable and is a great foil for th likes of Reid, hogan & co.
Ger aylward is lethal too.

I'd be shocked if ye're not in next years final

brookville · 05-11-2016 01:50PM

digzy wrote: »

I really can't understand the moaning about the team. Those players will be back next year. Paul Murphy is a top rb. Tactically Cody made an error in allowing his fb line to get exposed against us in the final. Holden was an all star last year!

Think Walter Walsh is completely underrated. When on form he's unstoppable and is a great foil for th likes of Reid, hogan & co.
Ger aylward is lethal too.

I'd be shocked if ye're not in next years final

The bones of a good team will still be there next year and we'll always be hard to beat as long as coady is involved.we huffed and puffed at the semi final and completely outworked in the final.Jackie and eoin and michael are the three with question marks over them although I'd like to see larkin stay for another year and hopefully fennelly will give it another year.What coady does at three and six will be intresting.apart from the replayed semi final colin has being poor and possibly a move out the field will be better suited.padraig walsh could be tried in the fowards and aylward and james maher should be an addition to the panel.i think having richie and tj carry us during the league impacted on tj especially carrying that form right through to the later stages.these two in particular need more help next year

Cornerback1 · 05-11-2016 02:30PM

digzy wrote: »

unrealtime wrote: »

To get four All Stars was brilliant even though one could make a good case for each of them. We still have a good basis given that we add Murphy, Fogarty Buckley and Reid to those stars - and hopefully Fennelly.

I really can't understand the moaning about the team. Those players will be back next year. Paul Murphy is a top rb. Tactically Cody made an error in allowing his fb line to get exposed against us in the final. Holden was an all star last year!

Think Walter Walsh is completely underrated. When on form he's unstoppable and is a great foil for th likes of Reid, hogan & co.
Ger aylward is lethal too.

I'd be shocked if ye're not in next years final

Totally agree. Walter carried the forwards this year in my opinion. He was consistently good in all the games and tokk the games to the opposition.

dubcat51 · 05-11-2016 09:47PM

Are carrickshock good things 2moro?

dubcat51 · 05-11-2016 09:50PM

On the all stars felt chin should have got 1 instead of bonner maher.the rest was straightforward imo.

jeff bingham · 05-11-2016 10:16PM

dubcat51 wrote:

Are carrickshock good things 2moro?

If they bring the same level of intesity they brought to the Tullaroan match I think they'll walk it. Tullogher will give it absolutely everything but I can't see them out scoring the shocks

dastardly00 · 06-11-2016 06:17PM

Carrickshock are back senior. They had to play the last 20 minutes or so with 14 men as John Tennyson got sent off after a pull on Walter Walsh (according to Twitter).

https://twitter.com/theclubmankk/status/795297148770324480

citykat · 06-11-2016 06:37PM

Poor match in the park. Carrickshock by far the better team. How Tullogher managed to get this far is hard to fathom. Heavily reliant on Wally they were woefully deficient in the forwards. They were given a lifeline when Tennyson got the line for a pull on Wallys head halfway through the second half. Their inability to capitalise was characterised by two scores they conceded from quick frees to unmarked Shock players.
Rice was the best player on the pitch. Very impressive with great energy. Wally was very involved all game with some good moments. He was also heavily outnumbered at times. John Power wasn't as prominent as you'd expect for a player of his calibre. Richie was brought on early in the second half and got on some good ball. As per the semi final, if he'd somebody running off his shoulder Shock could've gone to town.

06-11-2016 06:40PM

citykat wrote: »

Poor match in the park. Carrickshock by far the better team. How Tullogher managed to get this far is hard to fathom. Heavily reliant on Wally they were woefully deficient in the forwards. They were given a lifeline when Tennyson got the line for a pull on Wallys head halfway through the second half. Their inability to capitalise was characterised by two scores they conceded from quick frees to unmarked Shock players.
Rice was the best player on the pitch. Very impressive with great energy. Wally was very involved all game with some good moments. He was also heavily outnumbered at times. John Power wasn't as prominent as you'd expect for a player of his calibre. Richie was brought on early in the second half and got on some good ball. As per the semi final, if he'd somebody running off his shoulder Shock could've gone to town.

6 pts in a county final is completely shocking. How did they beat Glenmore?

citykat · 06-11-2016 07:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

6 pts in a county final is completely shocking. How did they beat Glenmore?

No idea. Didn't see the game.

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