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Steroids

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Legalise them so people who cycle can source clean gear and get a proper PCT rather then getting it from kitchen lab.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    I recommend people watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", fantastic documentary:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1151309/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Are going to call people with eating disorders etc. retarded or just lads with obvious dysmorphic problems?

    It's sad IMO that anyone feels a need to inject themselves with anything for vanity's sake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Yea sorry I forgot to say that the guy was more than likely using synthol.
    Friend sent me this page earlier, check out these nice folks...

    Also have a look at the guy on the far left of this video.



    I don't get synthol use myself either, but I can see why people use steroids. You're body is going to reach a barrier eventually.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    I don't get synthol use myself either, but I can see why people use steroids. You're body is going to reach a barrier eventually.

    The idea behind synthol is to use a little amount to sort out problem areas that didn't get fixed during contest prep. Like anything else, some people decided to abuse it and go crazy. I don't think its a great idea injecting oil into my muscles but if I was a pro bodybuilder living off sponsorships and this meant first place, I might think different.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    Ive been working out for a while making slow, ok, not-great progress. If i could just do a cycle and put on 10-20 lbs of muscle even in a year, that would be awesome. I dont mind shrivelled nads, acne, rage or anything. But getting bitch-tits scares the crap outta me. Also sticking a needle in myself as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    DjFlin wrote: »
    All athletes should be forced to take steroids. It would make every sport so much cooler.
    Especially Golf...

    I've always thought that an "anything goes" olympics would get a great viewing..
    Let them at it, take what you want, and as much as you want... 100m in 4 seconds and then his heart explodes at the end... How could that not be the king of sports :p:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Men taking steroids is like women getting fake boobs.

    Nature hasn't been kind to them and they have psychological issues, so they want to artificially pump themselves up to prop up their tiny ego.

    It's genetically "cheating".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Men taking steroids is like women getting fake boobs.

    Nature hasn't been kind to them and they have psychological issues, so they want to artificially pump themselves up to prop up their tiny ego.

    It's genetically "cheating".
    I wouldn't agree with that. A lot of people using steroids would be professional bodybuilders who have great genetics already but they're competing with the elite so need that extra help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    I wouldn't agree with that. A lot of people using steroids would be professional bodybuilders who have great genetics already but they're competing with the elite so need that extra help.

    But the "extra help" is cheating.

    If they're "professional", surely that should rule out steroid abuse, otherwise it will force all other competitors down the same route.

    If a chess player took some damaging "mind drug" to gain an edge, it would inevitably force others to use the same drug to level the playing field.

    The people who take it in a non-professional context I think are the ones who are effectively engaging in a form of drug abuse/cosmetics, while the ones
    taking it professionally are cheating.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    But the "extra help" is cheating.

    If they're "professional", surely that should rule out steroid abuse, otherwise it will force all other competitors down the same route.

    Its not cheating. If they are IFBB Pro then steroid use is a given.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'm certainly for reducing the legal barriers so those who do want to do it can get medical supervision while doing so. There may be complications involved. Numero uno you're never sure of the quality of the drugs in question when it's black market stuff. Then you have the growing breast tissue, shrinking nads, skin issues, male pattern baldness, then the comedown as your body tries to adjust. Never mind localised infections in the the injections sites and a danger of liver problems.

    As for the morality of using such enhancements? I'd have no real issue with that in small doses anyway. We take all sorts of drugs to "enhance" our lives in some way or another. I mean necking an aspirin when you have a headache while a mile away from anabolics is an enhancement of your life. I'd certainly be OK with people trying to keep a more youthful balance of hormones going as they age. Men's testosterone drops as they hit middle age, sometimes quite radically. Even what's considered within normal range for a 50 year old man is a helluva lot less than the levels in the same man at 20*. Human growth hormone the same.





    *interesting one there; men who live with reproductive age women show a noticeably bigger drop in testosterone than men who are single. It seems nature selects for reducing the hormone in a stable couple for some reason. It used to be thought that test and extra test increased aggression, it seems this is not the case, or it's much more complex than that. At least in men with natural levels of the stuff. Higher test men are generally less aggressive

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭df1985


    theres a lot lof misconceptions about fitness supplements in general, not just steroids.

    Slightly off topic but what annoys me is seeing 15-16 yr old lads in the gym taking supplements for the sake of it, and more than likely taking them because theyre friends are taking them. not necessarily harmful supplements but people need to be educated/do their own research before they start taking them.

    "jack3d" is the business though! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Wibbs wrote: »
    *interesting one there; men who live with reproductive age women show a noticeably bigger drop in testosterone than men who are single. It seems nature selects for reducing the hormone in a stable couple for some reason.

    That's evolution in action.
    In the past, reducing testosterone in the father must've increased the survival odds of the children, so genetics selected that trait.

    Whether that means that the father got into less fights and was more likely to survive and help bring up the children, or that reduced testosterone meant that the father had a reduced sex drive and was more likely to stay with the mother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Its not cheating. If they are IFBB Pro then steroid use is a given.
    Just to expand on that a bit, nobody looks like Arnie did in his prime naturally. If someone did the right exercises for twenty years they might approach it, but even then its basically not possible. At best you end up looking like Christian Bale or a lightweight terminator.

    Every single one of those Olympian physiques are the result of steroid use.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    I mean necking an aspirin when you have a headache while a mile away from anabolics is an enhancement of your life. I'd certainly be OK with people trying to keep a more youthful balance of hormones going as they age.
    Sylvester Stallone approves this message. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Owen_S


    The amount of people in this thread who's only knowledge on the subject comes from common myths and misconceptions is alarming. People should really go and educate themselves before commenting, instead of just reading ''ROID RAGE HULK SMASH'' headlines in The Sun. Somebody already linked "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", it's a great documentary(look at the reviews) that everybody should watch IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    What are peoples opinions on steroid use? Would or have you used them?

    I've never used them but I don't see it as a big deal. People need to educate themselves first though, or else you're going to **** up your body quite possibly.
    If you've ever watched a few documentaries on them you'll see that some people have take it to the extreme. It can look really, really ridiculous.

    People are often quick to point out how weed doesn't cause anywhere near the amount of social problems alcohol does. But gym regulars who choose to use roids are also not affecting anyone but themselves. It's their body after all.
    As for deaths related to steroid use, there are extremely few despite public perception. In fact you'll even find it hard to find someone who has had to attend hospital with a direct relation to steroid use.

    Ever heard of roid rage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    interesting one there; men who live with reproductive age women show a noticeably bigger drop in testosterone than men who are single. It seems nature selects for reducing the hormone in a stable couple for some reason. It used to be thought that test and extra test increased aggression, it seems this is not the case, or it's much more complex than that. At least in men with natural levels of the stuff. Higher test men are generally less aggressive

    I demolished a similar study in the GC before. It basically painted a picture that men will have a large drop in test levels after a child is born and the people behind the study made the same argument.

    However, there were too important factors they never measured, which reduced their study to rubble. One, they never tracked eating habits, which are a massive part of tests levels. Proper fats, zinc, magnesium and Vit B12 are all essential for decent test levels.

    The second thing they never tracked was sleeping patterns before and after the birth of the child. Sleep is one of the most essential elements for humans with regard to endocrinal health. Having your sleeping pattern fall apart for a couple of weeks is enough to drop your test levels to about 75% of their norm, stretch that out to 2 months and you are looking at a drop of 50%, which is massive.

    Every mate or family member I have ever had who had a child go there eating and sleeping pattern shot to **** for about 6 months if not a lot more.

    As far as i am concerned, and until i see a decent deep study that looks at all the relevant factors, it has little to do with nature and everything to do with the same stuff that always ****s with a man test production.
    flyswatter wrote: »
    Ever heard of roid rage?

    Any study i have ever read into roid rage always comes back with the same thing...aggressive person does roids and they will be aggressive, a non aggressive person does roids and they will not suddenly be prone to aggressive behaviour.

    The roid rage concept is deeply flawed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter




    Any study i have ever read into roid rage always comes back with the same thing...aggressive person does roids and they will be aggressive, a non aggressive person does roids and they will not suddenly be prone to aggressive behaviour.

    The roid rage concept is deeply flawed.

    Whatever about the concept, it still exists and that argument doesn't contradict the OP's statement that steroids don't affect anyone but the person taking them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    flyswatter wrote: »


    Any study i have ever read into roid rage always comes back with the same thing...aggressive person does roids and they will be aggressive, a non aggressive person does roids and they will not suddenly be prone to aggressive behaviour.

    The roid rage concept is deeply flawed.

    Whatever about the concept, it still exists and that argument doesn't contradict the OP's statement that steroids don't affect anyone but the person taking them.

    How does it still exist? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    flyswatter wrote: »
    Whatever about the concept, it still exists and that argument doesn't contradict the OP's statement that steroids don't affect anyone but the person taking them.

    Explain to me how it exists, and maybe cite a few psychological studies that back that up.

    As i said, anything i have read shows there is no change in a person behaviour with regard to aggression due to steroids, would love to see anything you have that says otherwise though.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Bloody good points all LG, though the study I referenced just looked at long term childless couples, presumably as a way to eliminate that variable> I'll try and dig through my pile of shíte and find it for you. It was interesting(well to me as a rank amateur anyway :o:)) There may be selection bias where it comes to the ladies involved too. That old and well researched saw that women will select men with high test features when ovulating, but will select for low test features the rest of the time(but especially when pregnant) may throw some oddness into the mix. The ubiquity of the hormonal contraceptive pill/implant/etc would also introduce some bias too it seems.

    EDIT plus even if environmental pressures are involved such as lack sleep etc, those pressures have been around for a very long time in many, if not all cultures, so the original finding is still somewhat valid. It's conclusions are well up in the air like you say though.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,384 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    This is what someone was talking about I think.


    Would be interested in seeing what those arms could do without support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    flyswatter wrote: »
    Ever heard of roid rage?

    if you havent seen it watch Bigger, Stronger, Faster, its probably the best documentary on steroids you'll ever see, it goes into the roid rage aspect of it:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Would be interested in seeing what those arms could do without support.

    Probably move a little more weight i reckon. Preacher curls eliminate swinging the arms, it's stricter movement.

    Most folk that i know can straight curl better weight than they can move on Preacher Curls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    dont some steroids make the lad stay limp?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    dont some steroids make the lad stay limp?

    Nope.

    Thinking about it logically for a second, the vast majority of anabolic steroids are either directly stimulating the production of testosterone or directly injecting testosterone.

    As such, libido and sexual function should improve when on steroids. One of the most common treatments in countries with a decent hormone replacement program for aging males suffering from sexual dysfunction is TRT or Testosterone Replacement Therapy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭jocmilt


    dont some steroids make the lad stay limp?


    Deca durabolin can cause ''deca-dick'' but if you run testosterone with it, which you should will all steroids, then it shouldn't be a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭jocmilt


    The roid rage concept is deeply flawed.


    Try running Tren ace for a few weeks and you'll be on a hair-trigger. Then again, most guys can handle it and not go overboard. I guess it's just arseholes who are naturally violent who will blow up in stressful situations


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    jocmilt wrote: »
    Try running Tren ace for a few weeks and you'll be on a hair-trigger. Then again, most guys can handle it and not go overboard. I guess it's just arseholes who are naturally violent who will blow up in stressful situations

    Would you not prefer a nice cold glass of milk?


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